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Slooch
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One Pin?!
#5380616 - 03/09/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have one pin forming on my 1st casing. Its been 12-17 days. In the fruting chamber. roughly 76 degrees, it fluxuates between 70-76 and the RH goes up and down. I try to do a light mist 3-5 times a day to keep the RH at 75 and higher. Usually its 50% though. I know this is not the best conditions but should I get more pins later? Is one pin early a good sign?
Oh I also misted all the casings including the one with the pin very lightly, In order to aid the pin with high RH.
No more misting that casing right? untill the flush is done?
-------------------- Hey Just take some time and look at this pic here, below... Its a Smile Face ON THE CAP! WHAT ARE THE CHANCES? AND THE OTHER AN 8???!!!! IS this a SIGN?
Edited by Slooch (03/09/06 09:54 AM)
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Re: One Pin?! [Re: Slooch]
#5380702 - 03/09/06 10:17 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's how mine started too, then the next day I saw 10 more. How developed is the pin. If it's like 1cm long and there's no sign of any other pins, your pinset probably won't be too plentiful. If you can only see the brownish top then don't worry there's probably more to come 
Also, pins don't like high rH. That's only to induce fruiting. Make sure your humidity is a little lower now that you're pinning. Misting is ok, just don't let the water collect like a reservoir. A few tiny drops sitting here and there won't do to much harm but too much misting will abort your pin. Best thing to do is put it in a bathtub and spray perpendicular to it, letting the mist fall onto it. Just make it glisten, nothing more. A pinning casing still needs SOME water.
Edited by Newbie (03/09/06 10:20 AM)
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Re: One Pin?! [Re: Newbie]
#5380855 - 03/09/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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17 days 9in the fruiting chamber you should have more then 1 pin but due to the not so good conditions i guess its acceptable...keep it going bro GL!
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Re: One Pin?! [Re: bongtoke]
#5380918 - 03/09/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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honestly... your beating the shit out of those things with a wooden bat with rusty nails in it. i mean WOW!!! you got about the right amount of pins from what you have said already. 50% Relative Humidity... honestly i'm supprised you got 1 pin or any for that matter.
what you are suppose to be doing is simulating nature. conditions have to be perfect. these things can take a beating but i'm not sure if they can handle one that badly.
to fix the problem get the humidity up to 90%+. what are you using currently???
get it near a window unless you have some sort of lighting system already. what are you using currently???
increase air exchange to 3-5 times a day at least. what are you using for air exchange???
hope you get more pins soon.~thenewguy05
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Misting during a flush is very important as fruitbodies have a very high water demand. Get a fruiting chamber with wet perlite in the bottom ASAP it's cheap and with help tremendously in keeping that RH stabilized! BTW pins love high RH! FACT!!!
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Slooch
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I know, I know, I have 3 of the best resources to aid my mycology learning process.
I know there supposed to get a 90+ RH for optimum growth. I have 2 tubs of Perlite in the FC, Its just hard to keep RH above 75% in Colorado
I have a light 75 watt blue spectrum from home depot and light from my overhead lights in my room. So plenty of light especially the spectrum that stimulates pin growth... so light is not an issue.
And plenty of air exchange like 5 times a day.
Please thenewguy05 don't critique me to much. I know what I'm doing(knowledge of the hobby) its just my first time doing it, and I'm getting some feedback.. I will post some pics soon....
By the way Newbie is that a picture of David the Nome?! That was my favorite show when I was a kid!
-------------------- Hey Just take some time and look at this pic here, below... Its a Smile Face ON THE CAP! WHAT ARE THE CHANCES? AND THE OTHER AN 8???!!!! IS this a SIGN?
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Re: One Pin?! [Re: Slooch]
#5381240 - 03/09/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i don't mean anything i say on any of these forums in a negetive way just comes out that way. but anyways~
75 watt light is alot stronger than what i am currently using. currently i am using an american lights 35watt screw into the socket/ring style light. i've had problems fruiting with the light that was 6ft away from the top of the casing but with a 75 watt you shouldn't have a problem.
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Re: One Pin?! [Re: Slooch]
#5381249 - 03/09/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Slooch said: By the way Newbie is that a picture of David the Nome?! That was my favorite show when I was a kid!
Hell yeah!
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Slooch
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Upon further inspection I have 10 pinns! maby more I cant see. Damn those sukas are hard to spot. Or maby they just formed! OMFG Im getting overrun with pins! save me! help! Im gona start tripping soon!
Lol thx for the support guys. Ill post some nice pics soon!
-------------------- Hey Just take some time and look at this pic here, below... Its a Smile Face ON THE CAP! WHAT ARE THE CHANCES? AND THE OTHER AN 8???!!!! IS this a SIGN?
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Re: One Pin?! [Re: Slooch]
#5382325 - 03/09/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pins can develop overnight like magic! IMHO it's remarkable how they appear and proliferate.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: One Pin?! [Re: hyphae]
#5384794 - 03/10/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doesn't a high rh make mycelium grow all up the sides of the mushroom? I thought it had to be lowered a bit during pin formation.
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Re: One Pin?! [Re: Newbie]
#5384815 - 03/10/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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the pf tek says low humidity causes fuzz on the caps but everyone on here says it's high humidity that is the cause so i'm gonna have to stick with high if that's what the boys upstairs are sayin'.temp also has an effect but yes rh is another symptom.
temp also grows myc on the caps. wish i had taken a pic, looked like the mushroom had bed head or dred locks.
Edited by thenewguy05 (03/10/06 09:36 AM)
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You want it high for pinning, then when they form you should put it down to 85-90%.
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hyphae
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Sinthetic said: You want it high for pinning, then when they form you should put it down to 85-90%.
Exactly!  Also if the PFTek truely says low RH causes fuzzy myc in the stems it is simply wrong. Myc thrives in very moist air an reaches out for the available moisture.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: One Pin?! [Re: hyphae]
#5385245 - 03/10/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hyphae said: if the PFTek truely says low RH causes fuzzy myc in the stems it is simply wrong. Myc thrives in very moist air an reaches out for the available moisture.
that's what i thought.
p.s. here is the link to the WRONG INFORMATION bottom of the page before comments.
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hyphae
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Well thanks for the link. I could see maybe one thinking the myc is fuzzy trying to gather more moisture when RH levels are low but the only time I've seen this personally is in higher humidities so thats my thinking anyway. Again thanks for posting the link.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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Re: One Pin?! [Re: hyphae]
#5385287 - 03/10/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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no problem. figured if everyone knew it was wrong they wouldn't spread bad info like i did when i first read it.
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I am getting mixed opinions on misting a casing. I am following hypae's tek (thank you so much) and get the idea that you shouldn't water the casing after the myc starts growing through. But others are saying mist the casing even when the casing is pinning and fruting. any thoughts?
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Re: One Pin?! [Re: fireman]
#5396159 - 03/13/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, you do want to contnue misting during the flush.
However not as much as when the casing was 1st in the FC
So... While the pinset is developing you want to water/mist alot to keep the casing layer moist and the RH up to almost 95% NOT 99-100%
Then as your pins develop you slow your watering to a LIGHT mist 3-5 times a day, just to keep the top layer moist.
keep it up untill your 1st flush is done then
(Optional) Fill the bottem of the tray with water to make the casing float for a few hours then drain. If you do this your next flush(s) will be slightly less (pins) but MUCH larger mushrooms.
-------------------- Hey Just take some time and look at this pic here, below... Its a Smile Face ON THE CAP! WHAT ARE THE CHANCES? AND THE OTHER AN 8???!!!! IS this a SIGN?
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Re: One Pin?! [Re: Slooch]
#5396515 - 03/13/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good call Slooch! Theres a time (usually a 5-7 days into fruiting) when I recommend laying off misting totally for a few days as primodia develop during this time 1-2 squirts may be necessary after a couple days depending on how much you fan and RH levels, I recommend fanning 4-6 times a day 15-20 seconds in duration. If the casing was maintained properly it will have enough moisture to carry it through this critical time depending again on RH and frequency of fanning, ideally RH should be 95-98% during pinning and once set it should be dropped to 85-92% for casings. If you notice your caps are cracking then you must mist more often, however you don't want to mist the casing to near saturation as often during cropping as this leads to other problems as well as water logged fruits.
-------------------- Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy. Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is Gas Exchange vs. FAE "We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"
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