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Acid and intelligence
    #5380232 - 03/09/06 04:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Apparantly:The model for DNA was conceived of by lsd'ed scientists(Watson'n'Crick), they apparantly took tiny amounts to 'get clevererer' ,soo.......- being a scientist and all( :smile: ) and enjoying playing with vast intelligence I indulged in many low dose eperiments -the results of which leave me thinking that yes indeed the story is most plausible .

Little story: I woke up slowly one sunny spring sunday morn atop the couch that was my bed  :wink: and decided that the beautiful valley near me was a prime candidate for an area to get acquanted with the non sleep state of good instant coffee and 50 mcg's of lsd  :thumbup:, so I made a sweet cup of brown brew and downed it slowly with the tinsy peice of special paper.[also I consumed my usual small gulp of organic flax seed oil)

I was suprised when I felt very dreamy at the beggining of the walk,I expected actually to have been awakenly energized. Anyway so as I took in the extreme beauty I began to think of how the kids back home might be wishing they had me to socialise with - so I headed back in order to play .
When I got back I was lightly but pleasantly altered(I am normally quite sensitive to drugs in general), I arrived to find Jack(12) playing with a flat puzzle piece set which is essentially a flat wooden square cut into various shapes that one must reassemble. He was however playing a game I made a few days earlier where you try to make a tower instead of a flat square .
So I watched and felt like playing, when it came to my go I was literally grabbing peices and slamming them in place onto the floor instantaneously balancing them, - it was like when a computer plays chess and makes a strategic moves like its clicking its fingers or something(yeah most computers dont have fingers - but you get the metaphor). The kids watching were wide eyed as it normally took a fair while of careful consideration then slow concerted physical effort to make each layer/level of the tower(because all the peices are a different shape and flat) but I was putting on a layer in about two literal seconds .
That day I made a tower higher than any I had made before and with ridiculous speed.
It sort of felt like being more awake than normal wakingness, I was thinking consciusly about how the blocks werent actually solid but were vibrating and how when they touched they were becoming a new relatively stable vibratory fuzz and not a new solid shape.I was imagining the vibration at different speeds and how new additions would change the 'oness of vibration'(tower).

This is kinda unrelated but,,, we then mixed in jenga peices and made bigger sturdier towers and put toy dragons on top and toy horsemen on the sticky out peices on the side then shot at it with toy medievil catapults, superfun ! ! !  :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

So yeah acid can be fun - was that my point? - who cares ? ! :grin:

Anyone else ever had anything similar happen ? I have done this a few times as I said and I always get the extra intelligence thing .


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: Mirth]
    #5380369 - 03/09/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

think it's kinda weird that you spent the trip playing with little kids but whatever, who am I to judge?

Anyways, yes, I have experienced similar things, while coming down on some mush we decided to have a few games of pool (I was the only one shrooming that day). Of course there were jokes trying to play pool on hallucinogens but those jokes soon stopped after I managed to clear all my balls in only 2 turns, after that I was more or less unstopable until the mushrooms completely wore off and I just couldn't concentrate enough to play anymore. I'm decent at pool, by no means an expert, but I've never played nearly as well as I did that day. I've also found that if I fall asleep after the comedown before the worn out feeling kicks in I usually find I'm able to process information quicker than I normally would and I'm able to react faster.


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: StickyWater]
    #5381018 - 03/09/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

its not so much that acid boosts your intelligence, it just lets you think in ways you wouldn't have before.


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: bobjones]
    #5381125 - 03/09/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Is say LSD boosts insight rather then intelligence.


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: bobjones]
    #5381134 - 03/09/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

^ yes it brings about your 3d way of thinking (some call it 4d). You take in so much more at a time than you are used to. Thats why your tripping.


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: StickyWater]
    #5381135 - 03/09/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Heh, I just saw a reference in an article to the major league player who pitched a no-hitter whle on LSD yesterday. Id heard it before so I didnt read the article through so I cant remember his name unfortunatly.


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: Gratos]
    #5381141 - 03/09/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You should check out Timothy Leary's 8thfold model of consiousness on www.deoxy.org

It describes tripping as acting on the 6th and 7th intelligence.


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: Gratos]
    #5381147 - 03/09/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Dock Ellis :grin:
Such a great story


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: Gratos]
    #5381152 - 03/09/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Dock Ellis


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: ShroomFan]
    #5381202 - 03/09/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thank you ofr the deoxy site


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: Mirth]
    #5381317 - 03/09/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Haha... that sounds like such a good time, man.

I agree with the others that have said it alters the way you think... intelligence isn't a linear concept... it's not just like... more intelligence or less intelligence. You can think in many different ways, many of which we do not bother to stop and think of.

What acid definitely does is enhance the amount of energy supplied to the brain... allowing you to think in multiple "ways" at once. (Like how you were thinking about the physical make-up of the blocks as you worked with them... this allowed a more delicate level of understanding of your placement of said blocks.)

Also, I don't think it's weird that you played with your kids... heck, it was a pretty small dose. I bet you both had a great time. Kids LOVE it when adults play with them on their level.


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #5381439 - 03/09/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Unless I am mis-reading the post. It sounds like Mirth has kids, he did a low-dose LSD trip, and returned home to play with his kids - I dont see what's so 'weird' about that.

More parents should spend time playing with their kids activly instead of sitting them infront of the idiot box. Sure, he was on LSD - but, sounds like it was a fairly low dose, and in no way impared his ability to parent his children.

However - I do agree that LSD can help open up some blocked passages and help you approach things from a new way of which you didnt consider before. There is a guy who works at CISCO who was lobbying against employee drug testing, as he uses LSD now and then if he's stumped on a programming problem.

That being said, my own 1st hand expierence with such a thing.

- I had ended up doing a 'spontanious' LSD trip - no planning or anything, so I didnt do my normal 'get all my homework out of the way first' routine.
- At the tail end of the trip, this is more during the 'afterglow' portion than the actual trip, I started to do some accounting homework

Accounting had been giving me difficulties before hand - I just didnt see the logic in how things were done.

While doing the homework while still somewhat altered - I "saw" the logic in the steps, came up with a new way of doing the questions - and a way of writing down the logic of the questions.

The accounting 'made sense' for the first time - and the technique I used to solve the problems still worked like a charm a few days later.

While I wont say it made me smarter - it helped me approach the problem in a new way, and that new way still worked while sober :smile:

I ended up doing very well on the test that I was studying for, and by the end of the semester I felt very confident in knowing the material, breezed through the exam and did quite well in the course.


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #5381458 - 03/09/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I align this with how autistic people think. You stop thinking in words and start thinking in images and syntax. You strip away the language barrier and can clearly see things as a metaphorical shapes that have strong presence and meaning to you.

This separates you from learning how you were TAUGHT to learn/think (very linear), to learning/thinking how YOU want to.

Read up on autism and you will find that many autistic savants think in this same manner. They will talk of seeing images in their heads of solutions without doing any real conscious computation on their part.

I truly believe psychedelics bring us to this state.

I've experienced this a couple of times on mushrooms (almost always on low doses, because at higher ones, concentration becomes near impossible), and then once on LSD.
In these states, Ive found that everything I do is phenomenal. I would just be talking with my friends and in my head, I would know which words were correct. It was as if there was an unfinished piece of art in my head that represented the sentence I was saying and I knew which words would complete it and make it perfect. Thus, vocabulary would increase and sentence structure was near perfect.
This sort of thing would apply to everything I did.


THIS is the exact reason I love tripping so much. This state of enlightenment and a simultaneous loss and unbelievable security found within the ego. Truly magnificent.


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: Veter]
    #5381798 - 03/09/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This state of enlightenment and a simultaneous loss and unbelievable security found within the ego


^beautifully said


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: ShroomFan]
    #5381814 - 03/09/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

NemoLotus.... i went to that site (which seems really great by the way) but i couldnt find the one you reccomended by leary... can you post a link please?


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Re: Acid and intelligence [Re: StickyWater]
    #6461209 - 01/15/07 05:03 AM (17 years, 18 days ago)

Actually - I was a 'live in babysitter' at the time - so to not spend time with the kids would have been strange, and I consider them to be good friends of mine so why not play with them ?

ANYWAY - Yeah this posts old but its interesting so : Ok yeah I certainly count myself amongst those who dont simply see intelligence as Linear.
I think that to an extend acid helps the two major areas of the human mind to commincate
( math.logic.cold reasoning.+.art.feeling.sillines:) ), this is always good for creativity and insight.I often find low to medium doses of acid make my dream mind kick in a bit whilst I am still fully conscious, so all the wacky connections that my dreaming often produces happen right in front of the eyes of my mind and at the very same time I am able to dynamically mould and shape the world outside me and the inner world through my waking capabilities.This has clear use in the area of problem solving, and as problem solving is either all of 'what most people would define intelligence as', or is at least at its core, I would say that acid without doubt has intelligence boosting possibilities.

I remember when my mate did two very strong hoffmans and said it made him into "the super geek kid who sits in the corner in maths" .

I actually have a hard time not going over the top with deep insights when I do small dose experiments then just 'hang out',what I mean is I start reasoning with people about something and seem to take the posibilites to infinity and its like Ive turned into an alien(that was so badly explained hahaha).
I do realise fairly quickly when I am doing this - so its not that bad.

Dag nab it - I need to score some more decent acid(actually Ive never had bad acid).

Oh yeah - cool posts all round . :thumbup: :thumbup:


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Edited by Mirth (01/15/07 05:17 AM)


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