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makaveli8x8
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New verm alternitive?
#5379722 - 03/08/06 11:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok i read just tonight that perlite will not work in place of verm, at least not nearly as well. Farther on i read that shredded cardboard would work decent.
So if absorbing water is the main idea based on my limited knowledge. wouldn't tampons/ pads be the best thing at absorbing? shredded of corse.
just a thought...
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Re: New verm alternitive? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#5379894 - 03/09/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Please......Sir.....Set down the bong.....take 5 steps back.....take a deep breath.....and TRY not to ask a question that is going to cause me to spray iced tea out of my nose.
You owe me a monitor cleaning.
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As a female shroomerite I would like to step in and talk about how silly this is.
First off the best of the best of feminine hygienic products have about an absorbency rate of 5 times or so meaning it expands to about 5 times it starting size. Now cheap tampons and other feminine hygienic products expand to about 3 times. If you have to ask why a woman would know this you are dumb. Now considering that some cheapy tampons are 8 packs for $1 at the dollar tree, and even giving them a high end absorption expansion ratio, you are looking at circa 2 cubic inches of expanded material per tampon or 16 cubic inches of expanded material per box. I pay $4 for a nice sized bag of vermiculite. I get a lot more than 16 cubic inches of material out of it at field capacity.
So unless cotton and tampons are semi nutritious placing them above verm in nutes but below a substrate in nutes then maybe, maybe, maybe, this would not be a waste. But I would wager that it WOULD be a waste.
Oh wait why am I waxing scientific on a post that is probably a jest? In case it wasn't hope that insight into tampon absorbency helped hehe..
Darken *smiles*
edited- So I would not sound so mean. I really didn't mean to be.
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Edited by Darkenshroom (03/09/06 01:10 AM)
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spock
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makaveli- are you talking about casing with it or using it in substrate? i could see it working kinda like coir but like darkenshroom was saying it's probably not very cost effective. if you got a bunch of tampons your not using why not give it a try.
Edited by spock (03/09/06 01:49 AM)
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Re: New verm alternitive? [Re: spock]
#5379985 - 03/09/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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No hun I am not being rude just curious as to whether the post was a jest or not, and as for the rag remark, nope ended days ago. ^_~ (thats my attempt at a tmi joke ^_^) I'll edit the post so its not so offensive to the OP, I would not want to come across as rude or mean. Just thought the idea was a bit umm, silly.
Darken *smiles*
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makaveli8x8
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i know this idea sounds very very silly, but its a very serious question. Because i didn't think cardboard would have any nutrients, and if cardboard works then i thought this would too.
as far as how to use it i was thinking about cakes, because well thats all i have read into so far, i don't know much about casings.
now you said something about cost, heres another thought, diapers. there's def more for the money there, well better than the previous anyway. verm is prob still cheaper. but here's a added plus, diapers should be cleaner?? i dunno i could be very wrong about that.
oh and i just thought of something else as well, i seen pictures of people putting substrate in a plastic bag and inoculating in the bag.
couldn't you use a diaper instead of a plastic bag, and have the added benefit of extra water? perhaps used in tandem with your normal substrate?
edit: and also a diaper would breath more than plastic, and i heard more air is better "as long as you can keep contam's out" which could be done? maybe i dunno, im just a free thinker crazy idea's...ill slowly step away for alittle bit now lol
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Edited by makaveli8x8 (03/09/06 01:37 AM)
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Re: New verm alternitive? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#5380038 - 03/09/06 01:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok I reaffirm my initial statement, I waxed intellectual and scientific on a troll post. Tampons to diapers, is really hard to take this thread serious.
Either you are trolling or so bored you figured you would come to the boards and see what answers you could get to inane questions. Oh wait thats trolling....
Darken *sighs and takes out the sign*
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Re: New verm alternitive? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#5380039 - 03/09/06 01:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Vermiculite comes sterlized in the bag.
For the most part, it's irreplaceable. You will need it in multiple applications in this hobby and there's basically no getting around it. 20 bucks says you have some near you, you just haven't looked hard enough.
Go through the phone book. Call up all the nurseries. Call up construction surplus stores (it's often used as insulation). Run by Lowes and Home Depot and check the garden section.
No you could not use the diaper instead of the bag, and I'm afraid that's even more silly that using a tampon for vermiculite. The bags are filter patched, autoclavable, and able to be impulse sealed. There is no way in hell a diaper will be able to do that, especially not be sealed, which is of incredible importance in that application as you want to keep contaminations out of the colonizing substrate.
Extra water is not always a good thing. In the case of substrates, you can most certainly have too much water. No offense bud, but you need to do a LOT more reading so you at least have the basic knowledge of why the procedures are done they way they are.
Please, please don't try to suggest any more of these "innovative" solutions until you at least understand the processes at work. Because once read enough, you will understand fully how ridiculous these inquiries are.
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If you are not trolling, then by all means try it out, hell if you are using LC, or even have an ample supply of prints or syringes, it can't hurt. But as you stated yourself it does sound "very silly"....
Darken *boggles*
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spock
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diapers are not cheap(i wish they were). dude you need to read more type less. or at least get some sleep.
darken- ok i see what your sayin.
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makaveli8x8
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Re: New verm alternitive? [Re: spock]
#5380084 - 03/09/06 02:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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well i knew the diaper as a bag was a crazy idea, but you could still cut the inner layer out and try to use as verm. As far me buying it i have been to many places home depot,menards,walmart. and i got tired of running around after that. i read just tonight thow that some reptile bedding uses it. so i plan to check that out.
and your right i have no idea how them bags were built, i just seen a picture of one thought it was a normal bag but sealed and sterilized.
so lets just stray away from what i called myself crazy idea's back to the main point, could one cut the stuffing out of a diaper, which should hold a fair amount of water, put into a jar with say brf and say verm as well. then sterilize.
would you think the extra water held inside the diaper material would help it or make it worse? as long as one keeps puddles off the bottom as usual.
this is how new things are found out, by asking around. i have read plenty, i know quite abit about cakes.Im just starting out, had trouble finding something was looking for a substitue.
thats all i wanted to know. ill find out one of these days i guess. thx for the help from those of you that took me serious. shame on those who make fun of others.
peace
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Re: New verm alternitive? [Re: makaveli8x8]
#5380089 - 03/09/06 02:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well dude, I really do think you've got some near you that's just hiding. Often times employees are incompetant and don't realize what they have in stock. I've heard several tales about how people have asked workers and even managers for vermiculite and only get dumbfounded looks in return, before they found it on their own.
If I were you, I'd definitely check the phonebook for nurseries. Workers there should at least know what it is and whether or not they have it, which they most certainly should. If all else fails, you can turn to the internet. Couple of vendors should carry it. And you might be able to froogle it or something. Good luck.
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lmao
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Re: New verm alternitive? [Re: diableria]
#5380326 - 03/09/06 06:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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you gotta admire the guy's desire to reduce, reuse and recycle.
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