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Offlineleery11
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Help me figure out tripping. --- update -- tried to and nothing happened.
    #5378472 - 03/08/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

update: i did the mescaline and barely got effects.
I have this ambivalence in my navel that makes life rather hectic, stressful, anxious, and fearful.

I don't want to go into in depth but I think a small aside is necessary. So let's illustrate sex. I have issues with sex, thinking oh it's immoral and shallow.......... but then the other half of me wants it really badly. So I'm basically repressed where I want to have sex, but I don't want to, and it creates a lot of issues in me.

So the same is true for psychedelics. Signs point to yes, yes I should trip. It will help me build confidence and figure things out.

But this shit in my navel.......... it is really intense and irrational. I think I'm going to hell. I think I'm in hell. I think people are looking at me and think I'm weird. I think a certain band may be either partially enlightened, or evil and messing with peoples heads. Yet I still want to listen to them. Yet I don't.

Etc...... see where it's going?

This navel problem, it keeps me from feeling emotions properly. One time while on either DXM or LSA in combination with a normal 5-htp dose, I felt the barrier break free as happy emotion filled the area then disappeared and subsided.

The last time I tried to do LSA I felt little to nothing. And I just had a small drink and I just feel normal.

I feel like I could do a thumbprint of acid and still feel normal and sober and such. And so...... then this certain band comes to mind..... who has a certain song about sobriety ......... "I will find a center in you, I will chew it up and leave."

I sort of feel that way.

I want to trip, because I want to:
cure any energy issues I have in my entire body
resolve psychological problems
have an amazing time
experience something i have never experienced before.

But part of the psychedelic experience entails LETTING GO.... and if my navel doesn't let me voluntarily let go............. it means I'm going to be CONSUMED until this stuff just dissolves away, like the trip would be a fight rather than an ecstatic roller coaster ride where I surrender to fear and enjoy the huge drop and am like "hell yes this kicks ass."

So....................

I want to do 60g mescaline. I want high quality visuals but I still want to feel that I am anchored in reality and that I am not going anywhere.... I want to be able to close my eyes and go into fantasy worlds, if I want to. And if I don't want to I want the option to be there for if I feel comfortable, but not to feel that I'm being sucked into other realms beyond my will.

I want sort of a clarity in terms of the mental content (i.e. not feeling like all hallucinations are chaotic) but I want strong emotional highs that will allow me to feel and vent emotions properly without being consumed by them.

I kind of want control while being out of control. I would not be comfortable really to lie down and feel my body melt away or anything like that, but at the same time I want to be thrust into deep water so that I learn to swim and experience all sorts of really new mindblowing amazing things.

I guess you guys aren't supposed to give dosage advice, but would 60g be too strong? I don't want to just be high.... I want a trip and a trip like I've never had before. But I don't want to go off the deep end, unless I want to go there deliberately.

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and my SETTING is really lousy. I'm thinking of asking my parents to let me trip at their place, but........ I am pretty sure the answer would be no. And if the answer would be no then they'd know what I'm doing here and they'd probably worry or try to intervene.

But fuck you know psychedelis are supposed to be done in a free environment where you can be yourself without worrying about other people.

I am surrounded by other people and I don't know where to go to trip that would be a good solution. I've never been out in nature on my own before and wouldn't really know where to find a camping spot where I wouldn't worry about being noticed.
(this is another big issue, caring what people think of me.... it's not that I care it's just I don't want to get in trouble)

so yeah.......

I really want to trip, I've been quite excited about mescaline. But there's anxiety too.



* oh and I know I'm saying "I want mescaline to be this and that" and that's true, but I know you just sit and experience for what it is, you don't try to hope for the trip to be a certain way.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (03/13/06 10:36 AM)


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5378583 - 03/08/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Were you tripping when you wrote that? You DO know what your navel is right?

Anyways, that asside, from what I understood you feel guilty about doing drugs (and having sex apparently). Both of these I feel are simply a result of humanity trying to separate itself from the animals and trying to tell people what are "good" values and what are "bad" values...

Personally I find this disgusting, all the propaganda that tries to stop us from doing drugs does work, it just doesn't stop us from doing drugs. Many people still feel that drugs are bad or that for some reason there's something special about THIS chemical compound that makes it soo wrong and evil in comparison to all the drugs forced down our throats by doctors (not to mention those drugs usually have far more side-effects than anything regularily discussed in the psychedelic experience...

You say you feel like you could do a thumbprint of acid and not feel it? Well then yeah, there's a reason you're not getting much out of your experiences, upping the dose isn't the answer


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5378629 - 03/08/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You said 60 grams of mescaline? thats an INSANE dose...unless you are talking about dried cactus...which I'll assume you are because from your posts on here, you seem way too knowlegable about these things to eat 60 grams of mescaline, that is if you can even get that much.

As far as what you were talking about with your navel. Are you referencing a body feeling in that area?


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: StickyWater]
    #5378635 - 03/08/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ummm that was an extreme exaggeration, a thumbprint would shatter my mind into trillions of pieces, i have never done mescaline, mushrooms, or lsd.

or anything except LSA, DXM, salvia, and weed. What I'm saying is I just feel..... that it's hard for me to FEEL things.

What do you mean do I know what my navel is? It's an energy storage center and its not functioning properly....... (i believe in and attempt to work with[sometimes] chakras)

no i'm not tripping.

So considering my first post, I want to do 60g cactus (not 60g mescaline i didn't mean to say that.....) having never had a strong trip before and am wondering if I'll take it okay.

I feel like the right path is the path where drug users are not penalized, though use is done responsibly and carefully not like how it is right now, and there is something alluring about cacti......

I don't think it's wrong, I just am worried of the consequences...... if we didn't have a war on drugs you're right I'd be just fine and I'd go out in a park or something and just sit there all day.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (03/08/06 06:35 PM)


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5378648 - 03/08/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

when you smoked salvia, did you have trouble letting go then?


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: NickSoapdish]
    #5378662 - 03/08/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

mmmm salvia let go for me.

when i realized that i had slipped off into nothingness then yes, i fought the trip, because i was starting to leave my body and didn't know what in the world was happening.

since then i meditated for a while and did salvia and it was fine, i let go completely and tried to stay in it as long as possible, but..... it was uncomfortable to say the least, and i also didn't get as high as i did the time i freaked out.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: NickSoapdish]
    #5378673 - 03/08/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you've never shroomed! damn man...you need to try that, I think you'll love it! It's very much about the mind, more so than anything else I've tryed...I'd say in your case try taking an eighth of decent cubes and don't smoke any ganj unless you need to on the come up for nausea...


Seriously, you won't regret it if you have a positive mindset and some good music on hand...really, it's a very mind opening experience. I know you are into buddhism a bit and the mind state while shrooming is very conducive to exploring this experientally...you won't regret it.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5378683 - 03/08/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well i can't get shrooms right now.

honestly I mean they sound neat, but in my mind they sound like they'd be more intense and confusing than acid or mescaline. I don't know if that's true, but from reading posts it seems that way. acid / mesc are supposed to be a bit "clearer"

have you ever done mescaline kaleidoscope? and you say i should shroom so enthusiastically, you don't think i'd freak out based upon this stuff going on in my head?


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5378697 - 03/08/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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leery11 said:
since then i meditated for a while and did salvia and it was fine, i let go completely and tried to stay in it as long as possible, but..... it was uncomfortable to say the least, and i also didn't get as high as i did the time i freaked out.




Can you not use this and apply it to mescaline? I know that they're completely different substances, but they (like most psychedelics) carry a similar issue of producing anxiety.

You say you let go completely in the past, and that's usually the largest obstacle associated with tripping. Sounds like you already know what you have to do. I don't think anyone can help you figure it out any more than you've figured it out for yourself, through your own experience.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: NickSoapdish]
    #5378719 - 03/08/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well yes part of my plan is to spend a large portion of time meditating before and during consumption.

I don't know if I should wait and find a better environment. This one really does suck, boxed in next to other people not really feeling like I could wail on instruments loudly or yell and scream and be goofy.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5378727 - 03/08/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well...you could freak out, that possibility is always there for anything...and no i haven't tried mescaline yet but it's in the works...from my one experience with LSD and the experience I have with other phenethylamines though you are correct, they tend to leave your thought processes much more intact IMHO.

I think that with all that stuff in your head, if you were to shroom these issues would be somewhat easier to resolve than on other things. Shrooms aren't malevolent in their own right. You have to make the experience bad to have a bad time...you can seriously eat an eighth and just lie down and close you eyes and think. You could very possibly make new connections of ideas that will help you understand why things are the way they are in your life. If you show them respect, they will return the favor. The major thing that causes bad trips in my opinion is bad emotion and bad karma.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: NickSoapdish]
    #5378731 - 03/08/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think before you even get any deeper into any form of psychadelics you may just need to let go of the idea of an existing "hell." Then you need to resolve the issues you have with morality and drugs.

You abosolutely cannot take any form of psycadelics if you in any way think it is evil and hell is real. LOL. Thats like asking for the worst experience EVER.

You know I recently heard about a Christian church that was found using Mushrooms (Dont know what species) to communicate with God. This is usually more common with eastern thought, but to find a case where it was connected to the ethical monotheistic view of God source is pretty interesting.

Anyways that anxiety you're feeling is most likely caused by your inner fears which are stored deep in your subconscious, and your anxiety is simply your conscious self way of avoiding fear and seeking security.

"Fear knocked on the door, faith answered, no one was there." :wink:


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Akira]
    #5378790 - 03/08/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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GodsEntelechy said:
I think before you even get any deeper into any form of psychadelics you may just need to let go of the idea of an existing "hell." Then you need to resolve the issues you have with morality and drugs.

You abosolutely cannot take any form of psycadelics if you in any way think it is evil and hell is real. LOL. Thats like asking for the worst experience EVER.




Or maybe he needs a trip to transcend those thoughts of evil. Tripping allows me, and many others, to observe those deeply seeded insecurities, understand them, and eventually change them. It may be a difficult experience, but I think in the right setting on the correct dose, it would be more beneficial and enlightening than frightening.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5378822 - 03/08/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Kaleidoscope said:
The major thing that causes bad trips in my opinion is bad emotion and bad karma.



do you think bad karma is resolved while tripping, or do you think tripping can create more bad karma (not so much from substance use but from planting your own negative thoughts deeper into your own head)?

i know that proper use of dreaming and sleep helps you burn a ton of karma according to yogic traditions, but the tricky thing is when immersed in symbol (such as dream or psychedelic [not ego loss] episode) you interact with the karma in all its significance, and so it can be difficult to deal with and you could possibly reject it, making things worse.

i.e. you see a scary guy and you show him love, then he transforms, that's good. or you ignore him and he disappears.... that's good. but if you get scared then you automatically enter feedback loops and he becomes scarier.

that's how dreams work and i think psychedelis kind of work that way, but much more quickly.

humm. its a lot to think about.

i'm going to use my dreams to get as much perspective on this issue as i can. read up on psychedelic yoga, read "the psychedelic experience", etc.

try and meditate and/or dream about cacti and communicate with its "spirit"


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (03/08/06 07:17 PM)


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5378901 - 03/08/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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leery11 said:What do you mean do I know what my navel is? It's an energy storage center and its not functioning properly....... (i believe in and attempt to work with[sometimes] chakras)




dude a Navel is your belly button ahhah...  :grin:


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5378938 - 03/08/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Seems like you're finding your own way to prepare yourself, and that is so important and beautiful. You're going to have a wonderful, life-changing experience!

And I think bad trips are immensely beneficial. People only think in terms of avoiding "bad" trips and perpetuating "good" feelings or thoughts. Well to me, they're two sides of the same psychadelic coin. In entering hallucinogenic mindspace you are signing a contract to be exposed to and experience the extremes of life, whether they're beautiful, exotic, terrifying or immensely sad. Your capacity for happiness is countered by your capacity for sadness.

Knowing this will, I believe, help you deal with difficult situations not only in trips, but in sober life. Life is like riding a wave, with ups and downs - only fools try to manouvre the same crest; when the valley inevitably approaches, they are drowned.

Life is hard. Psychadelics make it harder.
Life is beautiful. Psychadelics make it more beautiful.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: gotcha420haha]
    #5378939 - 03/08/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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What do you mean do I know what my navel is? It's an energy storage center and its not functioning properly.......




Hehe, that's going in the favourite quotes :laugh:


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5378960 - 03/08/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you could be able to come face to face with your bad karma and resolve it. On the other hand you could deny your bad karma and create more...what I'm trying to say here is that you define whether or not you resolve these things in your head. I would say that the karma resulting from the action of taking the mushrooms is very neutral...it is not associated with good nor bad...rather, it is you intention that defines whether the action is positive or negative. this is all how I view things of this sort, obviously, you could have very different conceptions of these things then me.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5379325 - 03/08/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

forget the chokehold that religion has on you and you'll be one step closer to actually being happy with yourself. You are already tripping...GUILT TRIPPING. get rid of that guilt, nobody is going to hell, not you, not hitler, not anybody. let go of the bullshit and do for you because this is your only shot at life. why live it bottling up guilt and unhappiness?


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: TODAY]
    #5379397 - 03/08/06 09:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well thanks guys.

i don't know about no one going to hell, because i see hell right here on this earth for many miserable peoples.

i believe in karma.... and what i have learned but find hard to integrate is that belief in buddhism, to me, stems from a rational mind learning about consciousness and its relation to the universe...

whereas christianity stems from the rational mind freaking out and wanting a sense of security, hence fear of hell.

I mean it'd be good if I took control of my entire life in an enlightenedish sort of way, so I could feel secure.... but since my influence is rather low (stemming from dreaming and how dreams dictate how my reality will be mainly) i feel like I would like to have the faith that there is a higher calling which I can fall in line with that will protect me, keep me safe and alive for a very long time until all things are figured out and I am ready to take the next step.....

etc.

because right now its just .......... me not being able to accept lack of control. and yet... i don't think there is lack of control, i think we have more control than we could ever realize.

so its challenging. i remember so much. always remembering more. this life. other possible lives. it threads a rich tapestry of curious perplexion........

the more i learn to alter my consciousness deliberately, the more random pieces come floating back....... mainly from my childhood. there is a huge intimacy and familiarity to any psychedelic state it seems like..... but at least for marijuana it almost seems benevolent, like you are stepping into death, but not dying.
[edit: i meant to type "malevolent" but it came out benevolent.... hmmm]

i dunno. its just. the labeling mind. it is........... necessary for being human but such a hinderance. i just don't want to tinker with things that are not on my path to divinity / healthy life.

i suppose as long as i embrace the desire to live that life, i will be lead to the right choices though, and I have been sent signs that even if I stop using, I still need to fight the drug war from the right side.
so yeah.






WHERE should I trip? Is it worth tripping in a lousy environment just for the sake of tripping itself? I like lying prone and thinking and exploring, but............ when I'm high here I often realize how much I don't like this life, how I'd rather be anywhere else with good people having conversations and lying out in nature. yet my inebriated state makes me reluctant to venture outside with all the police are around.

this leaves....................... three options.
1) trip here, if i get restless i'm going to have to find entertainment/comfort in a somewhat negative environment.
2) find some sort of way to trip at my parents, seems very unlikely
3) find some place that i can go camping. many complications but would be most rewarding.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (03/08/06 09:39 PM)


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5379435 - 03/08/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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leery11 said:
this leaves....................... three options.
1) trip here, if i get restless i'm going to have to find entertainment/comfort in a somewhat negative environment.
2) find some sort of way to trip at my parents, seems very unlikely
3) find some place that i can go camping. many complications but would be most rewarding.




Is there anyone else you know with a place of their own that you'd feel comfortable around? If not, 3 is definitely the best option and worth the wait/effort.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5379457 - 03/08/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Go camping man...seriously. It's well worth the effort and the isolation from the rest of society provides a great environment for the dissolving of social concerns. It will allow you to get in touch with just you and the world provided you focus your energies even somewhat correctly. Nature has a lot to teach you my friend!


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5379468 - 03/08/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well there's one person i know who i'd be real comfortable with if he's around.

i'm not sure where to go camping though, there's a lake near here that i should check out and see if it has any good isolated places.....

i don't know exactly how it works to "camp legally" it wouldn't hurt to find out though.

unless i wanted to just sleep on the ground i'd need to take a tent from my parents though, and it would be a completely out of character thing for me to do.... hmmmm.

i guess i could just wander around the lake until i came down then go back home too. i'm just not sure if mescaline is going to make me throw up or anything. and i wouldn't be able to drive.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5379578 - 03/08/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

60 g of cactus powder will most likely make you puke if its good stuff...just keep in mind, it lasts a long ass time if it's good. I think it was savako that just did about 25 g and had a pretty good trip.

As far as camping goes, if you aren't camping at a campground, for state owned land you need a permit...they're cheap. For private land, ask the owner if you can camp there.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5379585 - 03/08/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, camping or any isolated place would be the best choice; from what ive read i wouldnt even consider tripping where you are now.

no matter where you are planning to trip if there is any hint of being uncomfortable or the slightest unpleasant feelings dont try to tough it out and do it anyways, like Tool says "be patient" and "wait it out."


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5379661 - 03/08/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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As far as camping goes, if you aren't camping at a campground, for state owned land you need a permit...they're cheap. For private land, ask the owner if you can camp there.



I go camping at the camping grounds at the lake all the time and here in oklahoma there is no permit needed.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5380234 - 03/09/06 04:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you cannot use the help yet.

you have not yet decided if you want to trip to have fun and win friends (fama, fortuna, amore), or if you want to see what is.

a seer can have no intention of controlling the trip
the results are meaningless. - what are the results, can they even be verbalized?

seeing is a process and a way of being.
all of this other crap about measuring your feelings
and the quandries of inadequacy or thinking that sex or drugs is dirty is related to being confused about what you want to do

do you want to see
or
do you want to control.

if you want to control get away from psychedellics and get into money and politics or organized religion.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5380562 - 03/09/06 09:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Honestly, you do not seem to be in the mindset to take any advice or anything of the sort. Besides, there is nothing any of us can tell you.

The title of this thread is humorous. Do you think other people have psychedelics figured out? If so, you are deluding yourself.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: mecreateme]
    #5380631 - 03/09/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hey man, i kinda know where your coming from a little bit, i used to get really bad anxiety and still get the smallest of small feelings of it sometimes but it dosnt bother me because i ignore it. you just have to sort of say fuck it, im not gonna let this bother me, the worst that can happen is death. what i mean by that last part is that if you tell yourself that if things were to go as wronge as they possibly can than youd die and be in a better place, wether that better place is heaven, Nirvana, or simply the eternal rest and blissful unawareness that comes with death. i think the best thing to do dosage wise is to start really small and gradually work your way up. you can do this in variety of ways, each different meathed producing slightly different results.

1.) buy alot of shrooms but only take the smallest of doeses, after you give yourself a good hour to two hours to see what you feel like take a slightly little bit more. keep doing this till your trip is were it wants to be, but keep in mind that if you do this that the trip will be very "choppy" and youll not experience a smooth coming up but several small comings up and maybe even several different peaks.

2.) this ones the longer version. take a small amount. dont take anymore for that trip. if the trip wasnt strong enough than next time take a little more. keep doing this till you find the approprate level of tripping for your own personal satifaction level. this is the smoother way to do things, you dont have to deal with a choppy trip. this way can take alot longer though.

if you wanted to you could probably mix the two meathods to speed things up. one last thing to consider is this, i dont know what your thoughts on frequent phycadelic drug useage is but i know that addiction is a bad thing, most of the time. you dont wanna become dependant on shrooms, lsd, lsa, nitrous, cannabis, or any other phycadelic to give you your good feelings, rather you should use these drugs as a tool to help you find happiness in everyday life, then you can continue to do them for all the right reasons. i hope my reply has given you the strength and curage to use phycadelics to find happiness in your life man, because everyone deserves happiness. if you have any other questions you wanna ask me just email me at Eibbor70@hotmail.com


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Nirvana7]
    #5380847 - 03/09/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

redgreenvines
i do want to simply experience.

the other things are abstractions of my desire to trip i suppose. because both trips would be fine. the fun trip with friends. the serious trip alone. i see both having merit.

i think i have a handle on how to make this decision now but it requires more preparation
"The title of this thread is humorous. Do you think other people have psychedelics figured out? If so, you are deluding yourself. "
what the title means is "figure out whether i should trip"

I'll figure something out.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5380976 - 03/09/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i think a good idea for you right now is meditation. deep meditation in a dark room in a relaxed atmosphere. just put on some good music and just sit there motionless for a while. i prefer to have a hoody on so that i can pull the hood down over my face, but you might not like that.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5381017 - 03/09/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The line, help me figure out tripping, does not bring to mind whether you should trip or not, to me anyways. I read it as you want people to help you figure out tripping, which I am not sure will ever be done, but who knows.

Do you mean to clarify that that is what the title means to you? If so, that makes sense. The title does not mean the same thing to you as it does to me. However, now that you have revealed this nugget of information, I understand where you were coming from.

I would suggest waiting. We always have time to wait. Plus the more information and learning you put in to you, the more meaningful your trips will be. There is always plenty of time to trip, however you seem to need much "planetary-side" work. And that is very important. It could be called working on your life.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: mecreateme]
    #5381190 - 03/09/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hey Leary I think this may help. I was having a very similar problem. I wanted to trip on the mushrooms I had here, but due to a few past incredibly frightening experiences on LSD their was this fear in the pit of my stomache that I have not been able to overcome for almost 2 weeks now.

It sucks because I know that once I trip i will understand and overcome my fear, but this fear eats me alive everytime im about to eat the mushrooms. My heart starts beating faster, i start sweating, and i finally give up and put the mushrooms down.

Last night i decided that the atmosphere was never going to be perfect how I want it. I live in Florida and was planning to go camping at the everglades, but their is no way im going there alone and i want to trip alone.

So anyways, last night I decided I was not showing the heart of a warrior, and that the illusion of fear was overwhelming every particle of my soul. So I decided to go through with it no matter how scared I got right before ingestion.

I put my TV (satelite) on one of the music channels, I put it on a new age station. Awesome music! I turned on a candle, and finally found the strength within to eat the mushrooms. I ate 2 grams of Puerto Rican.

Let me tell you something. That was the best choice I have made in a very long time. The anxiety simply washed away like a sand castle near the ocean tide as soon as my eye awakened. I layed in my bed for 3 hours staright, listning to music, lost somewhere within my mind and a world of fantasy. It was beautiful. Fear is an illusion, every possible reason that you are listing in that huge list of yours is nothing more than your rational mind trying to clinge to security & control. Just let go, stop rationalizing the possible negative results.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Akira]
    #5381230 - 03/09/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Fear is an illusion, every possible reason that you are listing in that huge list of yours is nothing more than your rational mind trying to clinge to security & control. Just let go, stop rationalizing the possible negative results.




Nice! :thumbup:

This is what you need to try to understand, leery. Please don't dismiss it. Taking psychedelics is about considering everything. Not about blocking/resisting things, it is about embracing and taking resposibility for what you are.

"Nothing is true. Everything is permitted."
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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: mecreateme]
    #5381657 - 03/09/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Much of the advice given so far is good, but, leery, I've read some of your other posts and I think I realize some of the issues you are going through. You can meditate and all that stuff, but for many people it simply takes talking about them. You have the rest of your life to take psychedelics and to grow from the use of them. But, sobriety can be one hell of a character builder as well. I don't know that tripping is going to unlock some kind of answer for you related to your concept of being a "sinner" or being in "hell". It could very well serve to just confuse the issue at this point. Take some time... reflect on what you believe and why it is that you believe those things. Are they concepts that your parents have passed down to you? You have to consciously work through this stuff. And, if you can, find someone older than you and more mature than you that is willing to listen to you and talk to them. Share with them your insecurities and slowly you will start to construct your own moral reality. I wish you all the luck, and just remember, as cliched as it sounds, the most important aspect of getting the most out of psychedelics is set and setting.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: 33L]
    #5381774 - 03/09/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Its interesting that you mention the navel because in a book. 'American Chica' around pp 90-96 they mention the navel as a very spiritual part of your being and it left the same eerily similar remnants of thought when I read your story.. Ill try to retype some of what i am illustrating later on.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: ShroomFan]
    #5382944 - 03/09/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Its interesting that you mention the navel because in a book. 'American Chica' around pp 90-96 they mention the navel as a very spiritual part of your being and it left the same eerily similar remnants of thought when I read your story.. Ill try to retype some of what i am illustrating later on.



that would be most helpful..... what is this book about?
I recall reading about someone who was using LSD for psycho-therapy who had problems in his navel, that it eventually resolved. He felt that he was being born elsewhere in another dimension and it needed to be worked through, the acid helped.

To the other posts ............... I do not think I am a sinner. I am not living my life the way I should, but I'm putting forth effort and I'm not worried about that. I just feel that this WORLD and this NATION are really messed up, everything right down to the popular culture and the death metal music and all this shit....... i view it as extremely evil.

I do need to a lot of reality work, actually... that is very true..... I feel out of it......... sometimes. My dreams are really far out to the point of being borderline transcendental........ and so........ I don't know.

There's an ambivalence, and I guess that means you don't do it. But I feel like it could easily go both ways, that the mescaline would help me sort issues out (yes i know it's not for blocking issues, that's why i want to do it) and then........ I also feel like I would cave in to fear, etc.

It's tough to figure out. I could confidently take a large DXM dose right now and be just fine aside from hangover effects, but the prospect of a newer and more "real" psychedelic is what is making me iffy.

I'm thinking I may very well just simply eat like 1/2 oz, see what the threshold and light effects are like, get a feel for it.

Then decide how, when, and why to consume the reamining 1 and 1/2 ozs, should still be a pretty strong trip assumedly. Though....... I don't know if 14g of cactus is enough to feel mescaline and if I eat a whole ounce then I don't have any way to do a higher dose.

You guys are right though, there's plenty of time for tripping. But SPRING BREAK is upon me...................
I don't like sitting at home at my parents wasting away playing video games (which messees up my shoulders from awkard sitting postures).

my issue is a lack of clear defined will. That's the bottom line. I'm passive and indecisive and ambivalent. The other option I'm considering is getting a friend to split the 2 ounces with me and hang out at his place. He doesn't trip though but I'm thinking he may be open to trying it.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5383055 - 03/09/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

First, I also thought the navel thing is very interesting. Try reading up on Yoga and Chakra's. Apparently the Chakra that is most important for bodily/and sexual impulses is supposed to be right around that area. It's not something I know a whole lot about but there is a pretty elaborate science that Yogis (and new age people) have come up with.

It seems to me that mescaline probobly would be a good choice of substance for what you are trying to accomplish. It's character is more emotional/somatic with lots of visuals. It seems to be good for flushing out "energy blockages" in the body. It is also alot easier to control than a comparable dose of mushrooms. There can be plenty of anxiety (at first anyway) because it often feels like you COULD lose control and get lost, but it is actually alot harder than you would think with mescaline. The fear can project alot of things that aren't there and exagerate what is there. With mushrooms I feel you actually CAN lose control, and above a low dose it is pretty inevitable that you will.Anyways, if you've done DXM mescaline is probobly pretty easy to deal with in comparison.

How much is to take is hard to tell. I always assumed that normal doses where between 20-30 grams of dried P. Torch, but in another post somebody was telling me he took 150! All I know is that if that if we were talking 60 grams of the kind of dried stuff I have had in the past, I might be a little intimidated. I've tripped pretty hard on 30.

If you think that a psychedelic drug is the answer you will need to create some kind of framework for integrating the experience when you come back. You can't just expect to trip and then everything will be taught to you and everything will be permanently changed. Most of the time within the trip and when it is over alot of re-orientation is necessary. You need to learn how to accept the new world you have been initiated into and what to do with the knowledge it brings. Particularly, if you are talking about releasing energy if that really does happen you are going to have to develop some way of keeping yourself grounded. When energy is let loose your mind can get unbalanced.

I think tripping itself necessitates this: when you find yourself in a reality without mental gravity or habits to keep your inertia from sailing away with every thought and feeling, you have to center yourself and learn a delibrate way of being and thinking, because the old habbits (which caused the problems) won't work. I think to this end you need some kind of purpose and determination to guide you.

That sense of purpose and determination must also guide you when you have returned from the journey because you will have to accept all that has happened to you and reconcile it with ordinary existance. Trips can be very mind boggling, and very indirective. You have to be committed to learning from it and doing something with it, because you have to build new things and grow from experience. Your old system is almost always turned on its head or swept away so you need to replace it with a better, happier, and more conscious one. People can get very depressed if they shatter their old reality but never move forward.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #5383095 - 03/09/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wow. Thank you very much. Yes I know of chakras (I mentioned them in one of my posts but it was probably disjointed and hard to infer). I spoke to my yoga instructor about my issues with fear and the navel area and she agreed that that is where they are located.

I guess for me integration is rather difficult. I learned while on weed that i AM a Buddhist, but ......... there's a schism between sober reality and stoned reality.... much of the things I learn I don't apply.

Even my horrible trip (on weed) relating to television, I haven't really integrated fully..... in many ways I have... I've steered clear from negative programming, mute commercials......... and stay away from negative music too.

So........ this is not P Torch........ it's Trich. Bridgesii I believe. Perhaps one ounce would easily be a good trip then? If you're tripping hard on 30 then I may just go ahead and do 28 or so.

I'm working on turning my life around. I just made it impossible for me to smoke anymore weed [which is opening up my lungs and sinuses and making me healthier already]......... I have started exercising a lot more. I'm doing 1 hour yoga sessions 4 times a week [i'd like to do it every single day but schedule won't allow]. (actually this is my second semester of doing yoga but I'm really starting to crack down on actually putting effort into it and improving my body)

But ........ there's much more to do. I feel like if I don't interact with humans I will slip away into some sort of void of non-consciousness as my social skills collapse and I feel more and more disconnected from reality. I also need to go get in tune with nature at some point.

So.......... perhaps mescaline + walking around the lake. I may go scout the area out tomorrow. But I do think I will probably trip sometime next week on mesc. Time will tell.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5388385 - 03/11/06 06:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'll be straight-up honest with you here because I've always enjoyed your posts and I want the best for you.

Find some good shit (shrooms, acid or peyote) and go into a forest area where there are no people, and get completely and totally lost intentionally. Maybe at night if you think it won't be too scary, but there are a number of parks around me for instance that are basically empty of people. Once you hit the trails you'll see maybe one person an hour, and if you go off the trails you see not a single person. Find a place like this.

I'd recommend shrooms for it, just do whatever you have to to find them or grow them, get some shrooms or find some mescaline. There's no confusion. I've found, IME, it's always warm, friendly, even at the absolute most intense points (ego loss) I still enjoyed it on some level. Even when scared shitless before eating or worried or in a bad mood, I come out on top. I'm very clear-minded, maybe a bit plagued with ADD but still clear-minded and sensible. But you will be one with nature on so many levels. And what I've heard is that it's damn hard to have a bad trip on mescaline, so you're pretty safe there.

I have a friend in your situation as well, and shrooms are the only things that work for him. He's like, immune to psychedelics or something.

Anyway, you just have to say, "Okay, I'm doing it, I'm going out into the woods and getting lost, and I just have to deal with it." I guarantee you will come back with your issues sorted out (mescaline) or at least in a much better, more enlightened mood (shrooms).

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Akira said:I put my TV (satelite) on one of the music channels, I put it on a new age station. Awesome music! I turned on a candle, and finally found the strength within to eat the mushrooms. I ate 2 grams of Puerto Rican.

Let me tell you something. That was the best choice I have made in a very long time. The anxiety simply washed away like a sand castle near the ocean tide as soon as my eye awakened. I layed in my bed for 3 hours staright, listning to music, lost somewhere within my mind and a world of fantasy. It was beautiful. Fear is an illusion, every possible reason that you are listing in that huge list of yours is nothing more than your rational mind trying to clinge to security & control. Just let go, stop rationalizing the possible negative results.




I just went through this EXACT same situation, I just made a thread on Monday while I was doing it. Best idea I've ever had. It took me 15 minutes to finally start eating the shroom sandwich in my hands, and it was one of the best trips I've ever had.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: supersapien]
    #5388643 - 03/11/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

'But ........ there's much more to do. I feel like if I don't interact with humans I will slip away into some sort of void of non-consciousness as my social skills collapse and I feel more and more disconnected from reality. I also need to go get in tune with nature at some point.'

DO NOT TRIP. Thats my advice. they will more and more send you in the hard to get out thing that makes one unable to be in touch with others and reality...ok im talkin bout if really you are serious with the consciousness void thing.

Im like you, and i still trip, but its fuckin me up more and more. but wtf.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5388838 - 03/11/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I just wanted to throw my two cents in here. The spot you mention (about an inch or two below your belly button) is your 2nd chakra. It relates to sexuality and self-conficence. When the 2nd chakra isn't open, and needs work, you will experience controll issues, feelings of superiority/inferiority, guilt and judgement, shame, and in general the feeling that you ARE NOT ENOUGH. Because you are having issues with it you need to be very CAREFUL about how you use mushrooms or any other psychadelic. I am not saying you need to FEAR mushrooms, or yourself (that's a 180 of what I'm saying). But you should be aware that there are, in fact, dangers in going to deep within before you are READY.

I'm not going to tell you whether you should do mushrooms or not, I will tell you that your INTENTION is very importaint. Don't be a mad scientist trying to push the boundaries to the limit. Love yourself and keep yourself safe. If you stay on this path, you will have a lifetime to gradually expand your awareness of yourself. Start at the start, LEARN and READ as much about chakras as you can, but be aware that there is a LOT of bullshit in the new age community. Learn what and where your 1st chakra (the root chakra) is, and get it open in your own time. Once that is accomplished and you are well GROUNDED, you can start working on these issues you have with the 2nd chakra. Take this stuff in order and do NOT skip steps, I cannot emphasise that enough.

No one here can tell you how fast to walk. If you have a spiritual advisor, be open with him, discuss your intrest in entheogens with him, and respect his views, also respect your own views and HEED any internal warnings you feel.

Your lower chakras need to be healed. You do NOT need mushrooms to accomplish this.  Who you are right now is MORE THAN ENOUGH to get you where you want to go. It has always been that way, you have always been enough. Have PATIENCE with yourself, again, LOVE and CHERISH yourself, and move at your own pace.

I do not say this as a guru. I say this as a student who is having the same issues :wink:

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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5388897 - 03/11/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

DXM is not a psychedelic.
Salvia is 'other worldly,' I don't know if it fits the category of a traditional psychedelic.
LSA is like weak shit.
Sometime, you're going to do an insane dose and experience "Ego Death," and discover the root of your issues, which are probably parental translated into sexual issues... The sexual issues most like are contributing to the anxiety etc...


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5388915 - 03/11/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thanks Rahz...............

is it not also an acceptable way of balancing the chakras to simply meditate upon the heart, and allow the clearness and emptiness of mind associated with mystical heart chakra states bring balance to the rest of the system?

Well here's the update......... I read the psychedelic experience last night and dreamed over the issue of tripping. I dreamed I had a great trip. But then a while later I dreamed I got up stumbling around with this purple hallucination and felt kind of out of it and "grungy" (this was like 7 hours after the dream of tripping nicely).

Now what I said about slipping away....... I don't really think that's true...... I think that with the right intent a psychedelic dose would soften up my emotional and social blockages a little bit and give me more of a passion to go and integrate myself to the normal world.

I feel as if it would be okay for me to do mescaline and may very well do some tonight. The biggest question is if I get immersed completely, will I follow the directions of the Tibettan book of the Dead? I believe in what it is saying..... in fact much of what the book says, I have experienced and validated thorugh dreaming without having even realized it.

So the issue is.......... surrender. If I dose mescaline at night and hole myself up in my room, lying motionless with earplugs in..... I won't have to worry about my environment, if someone knocks on my door I probably wouldn't notice it and they'd think I was sleeping [not too likely only one person ever comes to visit me]
furthermore by the time I peak and come back down to reality I can stay up and watch some movies that I have rented (happy movies) without fear of disturbance as no one comes to visit you at 2 a.m.

I can then spend the next day relaxing, go out for a nice long walk and get some exercise...... figure out my trip, etc.

but the question is...... fun light trip just for having a good time.......... deep immersive trip for ego-rebirth [this leads to more questions]............ or ........... no trip at all? I have several free days and the right psychedelic experience would and can and will be immensely healing for me...........

The issue is one of readiness..... you can never claim to be ready for something that you have never experienced... you step onto the roller coaster scared as hell but hoping to have a great time..... and then you eventually do have one.

I dunno. I probably will do mescaline..... I think I can handle it..... and I'm thinking I may go smoke salvia to verify that I'm ready to let go of my ego..... is this a good idea?

Salvia several hours before mescaline to test if I'm ready?

I feel like the me that goes on a huge mescaline trip and survives it through surrender is going to be a better me than the me who just sits around be lazy and getting fat all spring break.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5388917 - 03/11/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Stop being a ****y and just take some drugs... Sounds like you need a girl mate. You have some serious mental issues.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Linuxman]
    #5388938 - 03/11/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Um.. You definately need to stop discussing the issue and take action weather to take it or not take it. Im guessing you are going to take something sooner or later, so you might as well stop trying to pospone it with your concerns and emotions and do it. JUST DO IT. You know you want to, you know you're going to, so why run around in circles around the damn tree? Basically that is all your doing in the end, running circles around a tree you know whant to climb.

The only thing to think about is wether you feel psychadelics are a key you might want to use to unlock a few doors. You obviously do, you're on this forum and asking these questions. The thinking is over. Stop THINKING about it, be a warriror and ACT.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Akira]
    #5388945 - 03/11/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah dude. I'm probably going to do it tonight like I said. I agree, it's something I want to do and therefore will eventually.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5388984 - 03/11/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I took 2.5 grams of shrooms last night. I was so afraid before hand, i was even sweating from my forehead. Like I said in a previous post, I had had the single worst experiences ever in my life on my last few trips so you can imagine the anxiety.

I grinded the srhooms into powder and made some capsules with them. I was so afraid, I literally had over a thousand reasons not to take them. Thanks to the memory of Don Juan and his warrior attitude, I convinced myself that I too must be a warrior if I intend to grow spiritually, and with that i let go of all thoughts (almost as in meditation) and swallowed the capsules.

After I took them, I then felt as if i had lifted an elephant of my back. Everything went well, my fears and concerns turnt into an empty silence that took off with the wind.

I am now more excited than EVER to trip again.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5389099 - 03/11/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

In regard to the heart chakra, there are reasons why you should "Take this stuff in order and do NOT skip steps, I cannot emphasise that enough."

Your concern right now at THIS point in time should be your root chakra. Once you start to open the root chakra, you will UNDERSTAND why it's importaint that you open the root FIRST. You can meditate on the heart all you want, but until the chakras below it are open, you won't be reaching your potential. Also, the heart is a healing mechanisim, if it starts to light up, LET IT... but when it comes to meditation, start at the start.

Some people have HUGE hearts, and a huge capacity to love in an intermitent way, but because their lower chakras aren't in order, they experience a lot of problems in their life. Meditating on your heart will not fix your 2nd chakra. Meditating on your 2nd chakra will fix your 2nd chakra. Get the 1st chakra open and you're hope of being confident, being in control, and being secure in who you are will be right at your doorstep. And we're not talking years here, we're talking today, worry only about today :wink: Take it at your own pace, and you will be pleasantly SUPRISED at how quickly things progress.

I mentioned intent when tripping. Until you have a firm grasp on your lower chakras, controlling your intent isn't something you can boast about or rely on. I strongly recommend you don't try to meditate while tripping until all your major chakras are OPEN. Until then psychadelics should be "just for fun". I think a lot of this is intuitive to you, so just listen to yourself. There's a thread on this board titled "Please god someone help me". Have you read it? This is what you want to avoid. The way to avoid this type of situation is to start at the start, and GET THAT ROOT OPEN. You'll understand the definition of patience, and you'll have the feeling, you'll know, that you're "on your way", not "stuck" and not afraid you don't have the time and understanding to do what you need to do. Once the root is open, you won't feel the need to "push the envelope into the danger zone". You WILL feel the need to push forward at a level that is approperate for you.

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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5389311 - 03/11/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Rahz said:
"I strongly recommend you don't try to meditate while tripping until all your major chakras are OPEN."




You do realize that in most cases it literally takes several years to open and work with all 7 chakras right? I don't know why you wouldnt want to meditate on a hollucinogen until all 7 Chakras are open, i'm sure meditation while on a psychadelic will help if anything to open the other chakras.

Another thing, Chakra mediation is Indian/Sanskrit, their are far more many cultures with different forms of meditation out there in this world. Meditation in Buddhism for instance does not identify 7 vortex points of energy in the body as with Chakras. It does not single out and/or identify emotional/psychological/spiritual/physical/etc problems to certain points of enregy within body.

So unless you want to treat chakra meditation as you would a fundamental religious doctrine, I don't think DEPENDING on the chakras as a root source for not meditating during a psychadelic experience is rational.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Akira]
    #5389385 - 03/11/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

>>>>I don't know why you wouldnt want to meditate on a hollucinogen until all 7 Chakras are open, i'm sure meditation while on a psychadelic will help if anything to open the other chakras.

I agree to a point. I personally don't see the value in meditating under the influence until at least the lower 4 are open. If you are having trouble controlling your intentions, as he seems to be, meditating while on psychadelics can be a "wild card". While some may enjoy playing around, I personally wouldn't advise it. To each their own though.

>>>>So unless you want to treat chakra meditation as you would a fundamental religious doctrine, I don't think DEPENDING on the chakras as a root source for not meditating during a psychadelic experience is rational.

Chakras are a GOOD indicator. However one does it, there needs to be a certaint confidence level. Going into a trip to meditate while having major confidence concerns is, IMO, not the best way to go about things. If you cannot quiet the mind while sober, why try under the influence? That's all I was trying to say, in the way I know to say it.

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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5391388 - 03/12/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

k I took a bit last night, what I thought to be enough to get a feel for mescaline without going overboard. I was wrong.... in fact I hardly felt anything at all.

I saw ghosts of what WILL be awesome visuals and felt my sense of movement smooth up. The cacti made my root/sacral chakras hurt a bit and i attempted to smooth them out...........

that's about it. Nothing ever really happened....... I have an afterbuzz though and will probably take the rest of the juice right now, which should put me in about twice as strong of a dose, which should be good for a medium/light trip with actual trippy nature.

i may have fucked up the preparation or something because with 2 oz of cactus you'd think you would have a pretty strong dose, so either i underestimated the first quantity i drank and drinking the rest will be STRONG.... or i messed up in the preparation which is entirely plausible.

Rahz............. I have heard that during psychedelic sessions focusing on the lower chakras induces negative and disturbing hallucinations as compared to the upper ones? Is this so? What you're saying makes a lot of sense..... I worked on the root for as long as attention would allow and on the second and the third later........ [my throat is BLOCKED OUT i don't know if it's form smoking but I think it's because my solar plexus isn't transmitting energy correctly]

so yes you are right, I need to get them working in order and need to start from the bottom.

I'm kind of scared to drink the rest of this but I know that I have no "control" over my environment [i.e. karma] so anything I fear isn't worth fearing.... and therefore even though I'm a little reluctnat to have a stronger trip..... it would actually benefit me greatly and strengthen my will. Plus I also want to, just the indecision is my obstacle......


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5393749 - 03/12/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

>>>>Rahz............. I have heard that during psychedelic sessions focusing on the lower chakras induces negative and disturbing hallucinations as compared to the upper ones? Is this so?

I may have came off all knowledgeable, though I did mention not being a guru. My intent was to be helpful, which I hope I have done. What you're saying sounds right. I'll explain what I can, the best I can, but be aware that I'm not much further than you, not much further at all. As I'm not a guru, take the things I say with a grain of salt. Look for better sources of information than me. It's frusterating using the internet because there's a LOT of conflicting information, and a lot of it just sounds like crap. In general, avoid information coming from places that are trying to sell you stuff.

I started out with little information. I don't really have an adviser, and after the experience I will relate, I've decided to take it slowly and not push myself any more than I'm comfortable with. It's not a matter of fear (though I did scare myself), it's a matter of doing things correctly for me. It's a matter of respect, for myself, and psychedelics.

This story begins last Tuesday night, March 7th.

I was hasty. I planned on taking 4 grams of shrooms and meditating on my root. I was having an awesome trip, and a short while after peaking I decided to try. I had been having a lot of success in the last few weeks, and was able to maintain a soft glow in my root throughout the day. Once you get this far, so many things you see in your daily life will make more sense, how you relate to others, your confidence will be boosted, you'll feel GREAT and go through the day like it's all some grand adventure (which it is). This is what I was saying about getting results soon. Anyway, before I actually tried to meditate, I'm sitting there and though my hair is 1/4 inch long, I got the sensation that something was pulling my head back, I fought it for a moment, and then felt a presence (this is the first time I have sensed this). The presence wanted me to lean back and relax because things needed to come out of me. So I did. As soon as my head hit the back of the chair, things did in fact start to come out. In my minds eye, they were thick dark goopy strands. My breathing involuntarily went up BIG time, and the stuff kept coming up and out the top of my head. Sometimes a spot on my body would quiver and the strand would shoot up from there. I've read a quote "the issues are in the tissues". Makes a lot of sense to me now. This went on for 4-5 minutes, and then stopped. I felt extremely peaceful (in a relative way), and still do to this day because of that. But there's a LOT more work to be done. It's been explained to me in this way: Layers of an onion. You peel one layer off to discover another layer. There's lots of layers for me to work through.

A short time after this, I tried to meditate on my root. My root began to open, but as it did, I felt, it felt like some of that energy shot up into my third eye, I felt like it was beginning to open. I IMMEDIATELY quit meditating. It was a stupid thing for me to have done. The rest of the trip went well, it was an excellent trip. I came down and went to bed. As I'm laying there, on the verge of sleep, I feel an intense horror welling up within me. My mouth opened in a scream (though no sound came out) and I bolted upright. The horror vanished. I was unconcerned in an odd kind of way. I simply layed back, closed my eyes and went to sleep.

The next day I'm going about my business, basking in the afterglow, and I decide to meditate. So I lay down and focus on my root. Within a few minutes my root is very open, so I go to the second, third and then to the heart. I had all 4 lower chakras CHARGED up. It felt incredible! I stop meditating, and notice that though the chakras felt great, there was something wrong. I felt shaky and weak, my whole body was vibrating. I tried to shrug it off, but it persisted. What happened is that because the shrooms were still having an effect, I was able to draw in too much energy for me to handle at that point in my development. At this point, I was still ok, or so I though, just weak. Shortly before going to bed that day I tried to meditate, just the root this time. As soon as my root began to open a little further, that energy shot straight up to my head. I felt a painful dizzy sensation. I tried a couple more times, trying harder to control my focus. It didn't matter and the same thing happened, but worse. At this point I had become VERY sensitive and had to force myself to not even think about meditating. Panic started to set in and I had to deal with that for an hour "Am I going to be OK?" "Is this permanent?" "Did I fuck myself up?" I finally convinced myself that everything was cool, I just went a little too far, and some rest would do me good. I was unable to meditate after this due to the dizzy sensation. At various times throughout the day/s that dizzy sensation returns and I have to force it down and calm myself.

Was this a BAD experience? I wouldn't say that, I learned a LOT as you can see. But it is an experience I don't care to repeat. A friend of mine had a buddy that went nuts, he's now in an institution. My friend went to visit him and he told me the guy kept saying things like "what's life all about?" "It must mean something, what does it mean?" over and over. No one knows what happened to him, but I believe my experience gave me a little insight into his situation. I don't want that to be me.

Like I said, this was less than a week ago. For the first couple days I couldn't meditate at all. Currently I'm able to meditate on my root for VERY short periods, like 5-10 seconds LOL. Perhaps I shouldn't, but what I'm doing is trying to get a feel for where I am in my recovery. Every day I feel better, and believe/hope that I'll be fully recovered in less than a month, though I'm playing it by ear.

I won't be taking shrooms for at least several months. I feel that I need to be able to maintain my intent before I try to use mushrooms in only a recreational way. This sucks because I just harvested about 4 dry ounces :grin:

So, start at the start, and move up to the next chakra when the first one is fully open. This can be tested by having a second person hold a crystal pendulum above the chakra. When it moves in a circle, you're ready to advance to the next one. It has been explained to me that this is the only way to be sure it's fully open. If the crystal moves in another pattern (there are various ones), it indicates a problem and more work needs to be done. As I understand it, there's no danger in meditating on any of the lower chakras, but time spent meditating on the others is time not spent meditating on the one you need to focus on. In other words, meditating on all four won't get you there any faster, and it could slow progress down since you're just "goofin" with them (I say that in a respectful way). This is my current understanding.

As far as the crystal thing, I haven't experienced it yet. There are other systems (as another poster mentioned). This is the one I'm using, don't take it as the gospel. Unfortunately for me, I live in a small town in the bible belt, I have no one as of yet who can help me diagnose my readiness to move up. I use a color association system in which the root is red, and I've been told that one way to tell when I'm ready is that I will be able to see the red CLEARLY, though I'm advised it's not an equal substitute for the pendulum. Also, it seems to me that my root should remain _fully_ open throughout the day before I'm ready to advance, though this is just my guess. But after this experience, I want to do things right, and will only be working on the root until I know I'm ready for the next one.

I have much more to learn. There are people out there who can answer your questions much better than I. I need someone to answer my questions :smile: I went inside in a haphazard manner, so long as this all settles out, I feel much better prepared, though because there were things I didn't know, I now wonder what else I need to know to avoid other pitfalls. I didn't think I needed anyone to help me along, but now I've VERY interested in finding some guidance.

leery, I hope reading this will give you some info you can relate to, though again, you can see my information is limited and incomplete, and I'm not even sure what to make of some of it (that silent scream was way weird). I DO know that this stuff is best approached in a respectful, well thought out manner. I apologise for coming off in a knowledgeable manner, you can now see where I'm at. I have some info on the chakras, their meanings, and what the diffrent pendulum patterns indicate, I'll send them to you if you're intrested.

If anyone has made it this far through this long ass post, and cares to comment on my situation, on how full my recovery will be, and/or on anything else I've said, it would be much appreciated.

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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5393769 - 03/12/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

your just to scared to trip dont do it


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Trippy_Search]
    #5393807 - 03/12/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

LOL, It's not a fear issue. There are REAL mental issues going on with me right now. Not with my thought process, but with the physical sensation in my head. I stung myself, I hope that's all it is. But you're right, I won't be tripping for a while.

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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5394780 - 03/13/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That's an interesting experience. I think I did too many drugs yesterday... disappointed with my lack of mescaline I did some salvia and didn't really go with the experience, I told the f ragemented "mes" that they needed to heal my physical body when I went to sleep.

That had my energy kind of out of whack, whereas the mescaline seemed to have had it grounded well I now felt some in the third eye, etc.

Then I had a small drink and ate some weed.............
I wanted to get high............... but now I may have sent my energy a flux from too many drugs.

Anyway.. when I first started getting stoned I could feel my energy in my stomach really strongly ....... I would sit around and focus on the chakras and visualzie their colors and I would get caught in a feedback loop where I CONVULSED involuntarily as a bright explosion of color appeared before my eyes at that chakra point.

This was most problemsome with the root, because when it went off it would sometimes send a huge kundalini explosion up my spine, which generally would not make it all the way to the top of my head and hurt immensely.

Since frequent smoking started (and has now stopped) this stopped happening though so I worry I may have damaged the chakras through marijuana use.

One time I focused on the red of the root and came into this hellishly evil animal consciousness, the most primitive primal and raw thing ever conceivable, it was complete and utter terror, but worse than that, madness.... like being a devil machine...... pounding and lumbering and monstrously crude and primitive..... pure madness condensed into an energy, frequency, sound, and a sea of red.

It shook me up real bad and I had to stop focusong on that area immediately. It wasn't the root, it was the color red. I've since thought that maybe the rainbow system is incorrect and that red is not the right color to charge your whole body with through the root.... that red is more proper for the heart chakra.

My connundrum is one of escapism.... I just want to experience complete and total liberation, but I'm reluctant to do a massive psychedelic dose (and indeed don't have the sources to get one) to do it.... it's just like life is so bland and stale...... it's my fault I know...... I need to be making cool friends and stuff but still........... blandness times 10,000. I want a vacation..... but instead of wanting to go to some amusement park or beach or something I just want a vacation inside my head for a little while, to spice things back up.

I mean......... I hate spring break... I have nothing to do. If I go home with my family the boredom will only exponentially increase, as well.

But it seems like since the mescaline failed I need to lay off drugs for the rest of the week so that maybe if I order some more I'll have a cleaner body to do it with....... the only "psychedelic" i have to do is DXM and I just don't think that's a good idea.

But sobriety is BORING when you have countless hours of free time. It's fine being sober if you have something to occupy yourself with like school.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5395327 - 03/13/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I understand (somewhat) the concepts you're talking about. As for your notion that red is not for the root, but for the heart, none of this is set in stone, each person will find their own way. However :smile: red root has worked for a great many people. Perhaps, your negative association with red root indicates a problem. What I know is that as I start to see the red more clearly, the chakra starts to open and grow, but ALSO, my whole body begins to tingle with energy that moves upward from my feet, through my body and up out the top of my head. This energy is a red sparkling energy and as it moves upwards, it is grabbing all kinds of negativity and taking it with it out the top of my head, never to return :laugh: What I experience when sober, the negativity is tiny black flecks. What I experienced when shroomin, LARGE black strands, and it was effortless. Again though, I wasn't attempting to meditate at that point, it just happened, effortlessly.

The association with the root is the same as that of a tree: roots growing down into the earth, anchoring, planting yourself. And when those roots are grown, the earth begins to send it's red, sparkling, VIVATIOUS nutrients up into the tree. LIFE!!! When meditating on the root, I AM the tree, a beautiful, tall, strong oak. And the earth is nourishing and CLEANING me and my root chakra. I consider that the earth is GLAD to be doing this for me, that the earth gave birth to humanity, and that the earth has a strong desire for me to know it loves me, and that I should accept this energy with gratitude.

This is how I visualize it, and it works well.

>>>>My connundrum is one of escapism....
>>>>it's just like life is so bland and stale......
>>>>I mean......... I hate spring break... I have nothing to do. If I go home with my family the boredom will only exponentially increase, as well.
>>>> ---But sobriety is BORING----

This is all an indication that your root needs work. When you meditate and have the root open to whatever degree, ask that it hold so that once you're done meditating it stays open. When you get to the point that you root stays open, even to a small degree, you WON'T be bored at ALL. But have patience. If it was ment to be easy, it would be... Also, because of your trouble with the color association, there may be a problem I'm very unable to understand. I don't think you MUST have someone understand and explain, though it would be helpful. If/until then just keep working on it, take it at your own pace.

You also seem to have an association: drugs=progress, no drugs=stuck.

This is not so. Get it in your head that YOU ARE ENOUGH! You are more than enough. Drugs are not necessary. You are all you need, have faith in YOURSELF. I was/am making good progress. The shrooms took me faster than I needed to go. But then again, I had to learn this for myself. Now I know. Perhaps you need to find this for yourself. But I'm telling ya, you are DA MAN. LOL

Rahz


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5395482 - 03/13/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Heh thanks <3

I value sobriety a lot its just I get in my phases where I want to alter my brain, only on psychedelics though I cannot stand to drink even, smelling liquor makes me gag. I tried to drink last night and just couldn't bring myself to do it.

I don't associate red with "bad" anymore at all though, it was some conditioning I had to work out with all the fear of hell/devil etc. It's gone pretty much.... red is a great color but because of its use in our society I still easily also see it as "evil" in the sense of someone having immensely "ill" power and not being in control of it, like an extremely impassionated negative person or something.

But........ you think having the root open makes me appreciate the day to day living more? I just went and exercised and walked around and you know, it's a nice day out but I just don't feel the "wow the world is a neat amazing place" feelings like I should feel.

Thank you though, you have encouraged me to work on the root because I know it's not functioning right but have been largely ignoring it for sake of other chakras.

One thing I really want to do is "tune in" my brain with psychedelics. I'm not a very visual person, if I try to visualize red I could only "see" it for a few fleeting moments..... I feel that while tripping auto-symbolic / self hypnotic suggestions would work a lot more efficiently as I unlock parts of my mind that I have not consciously used in a very long time.

At the same time though my sober time is probably better spent just breathing and working on lower connections than it is trying to visualize (and therefore stimulate the third eye) so yeah.........

I dunno. Things are fine. Maybe I wasn't supposed to trip afterall but I will be trying mescaline again within a few weeks probably. I like the earthy energetic properties it had which felt a lot more "wholesome" than cannabis. Or at least, the cannabis I had.

I also think the root = male sexuality, something I'm severely lacking right now.


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5395762 - 03/13/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

>>>>But........ you think having the root open makes me appreciate the day to day living more?

That's what I've been trying to say. It's like this. When your root begins to open, even a little, you wont have to think "Hmm, is my root open?" "Hmm, do I have more confidence". You will know it's open because you can feel it, and IT FEELS GOOD. You will have confidence, not because you are better able to "work yourself up to something", but simply because you have confidence. IT'S MAGIC :smile:

Consider this when meditating: You eagerness to advance is what's holding you back. And don't worry (push) too much about seeing red. It will begin to come to you. Focus on calming and quitening your body and mind. Ask yourself how much more quite can you be. ENJOY this, allow yourself to enjoy it. See where I'm going? Once you begin to enjoy the meditation, the meditation will be effective.

>>>>I also think the root = male sexuality

I'd have to say the 2nd chakra is about sexuality. It gets a little deep here, but it's importaint to have the root open before the sacral. The root makes you feel grounded, secure, alive, HAPPY. You can be sexual without those things, but consider what it would lead to.

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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5396101 - 03/13/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well to me earth is male and water is female.

and it seems the solar plexus is about happiness..... one time while on LSA + weed (very low doses) i used it to enter a really profound and neat state corresponding to the element of fire which was just very happy and "empty" somehow.

The chakras do have a lot of dissent about just what they are about....... its odd though I have this random memory of being abosrbed in the root chakra as a youth. a very young youth.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5398149 - 03/14/06 08:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well, that's cool, do what works best for you. Continue to gather information, learning about concepts can open new doors. But if something really works for you, and someone says it's wrong, what they're saying is that it's wrong for them at that point in time.

Tip on helping to open a chakra/see the color: Breathe deeply through the belly nice and slow. This can REALLY help to quiet the mind.

And, think of something red. A stop sign is red, shinny red fire truck, red leaves on a tree in Fall, red Koolaid, red traffic signal, blood, rubys and garnets. During your day, take notice of objects that are red, the stuff is everywhere.

Also, about taking what I say with a grain of salt: It occurs to me, some of my understanding and enthusasim may be due to the fact that I did play with all the lower chakras at first. Getting them open during meditation really gave me a good view. Give yourself a good view, feel free to do whatever you want.

Rahz


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