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OfflineGrapefruity
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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: supersapien]
    #5388643 - 03/11/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

'But ........ there's much more to do. I feel like if I don't interact with humans I will slip away into some sort of void of non-consciousness as my social skills collapse and I feel more and more disconnected from reality. I also need to go get in tune with nature at some point.'

DO NOT TRIP. Thats my advice. they will more and more send you in the hard to get out thing that makes one unable to be in touch with others and reality...ok im talkin bout if really you are serious with the consciousness void thing.

Im like you, and i still trip, but its fuckin me up more and more. but wtf.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5388838 - 03/11/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I just wanted to throw my two cents in here. The spot you mention (about an inch or two below your belly button) is your 2nd chakra. It relates to sexuality and self-conficence. When the 2nd chakra isn't open, and needs work, you will experience controll issues, feelings of superiority/inferiority, guilt and judgement, shame, and in general the feeling that you ARE NOT ENOUGH. Because you are having issues with it you need to be very CAREFUL about how you use mushrooms or any other psychadelic. I am not saying you need to FEAR mushrooms, or yourself (that's a 180 of what I'm saying). But you should be aware that there are, in fact, dangers in going to deep within before you are READY.

I'm not going to tell you whether you should do mushrooms or not, I will tell you that your INTENTION is very importaint. Don't be a mad scientist trying to push the boundaries to the limit. Love yourself and keep yourself safe. If you stay on this path, you will have a lifetime to gradually expand your awareness of yourself. Start at the start, LEARN and READ as much about chakras as you can, but be aware that there is a LOT of bullshit in the new age community. Learn what and where your 1st chakra (the root chakra) is, and get it open in your own time. Once that is accomplished and you are well GROUNDED, you can start working on these issues you have with the 2nd chakra. Take this stuff in order and do NOT skip steps, I cannot emphasise that enough.

No one here can tell you how fast to walk. If you have a spiritual advisor, be open with him, discuss your intrest in entheogens with him, and respect his views, also respect your own views and HEED any internal warnings you feel.

Your lower chakras need to be healed. You do NOT need mushrooms to accomplish this.  Who you are right now is MORE THAN ENOUGH to get you where you want to go. It has always been that way, you have always been enough. Have PATIENCE with yourself, again, LOVE and CHERISH yourself, and move at your own pace.

I do not say this as a guru. I say this as a student who is having the same issues :wink:

Rahz


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5388897 - 03/11/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

DXM is not a psychedelic.
Salvia is 'other worldly,' I don't know if it fits the category of a traditional psychedelic.
LSA is like weak shit.
Sometime, you're going to do an insane dose and experience "Ego Death," and discover the root of your issues, which are probably parental translated into sexual issues... The sexual issues most like are contributing to the anxiety etc...


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5388915 - 03/11/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thanks Rahz...............

is it not also an acceptable way of balancing the chakras to simply meditate upon the heart, and allow the clearness and emptiness of mind associated with mystical heart chakra states bring balance to the rest of the system?

Well here's the update......... I read the psychedelic experience last night and dreamed over the issue of tripping. I dreamed I had a great trip. But then a while later I dreamed I got up stumbling around with this purple hallucination and felt kind of out of it and "grungy" (this was like 7 hours after the dream of tripping nicely).

Now what I said about slipping away....... I don't really think that's true...... I think that with the right intent a psychedelic dose would soften up my emotional and social blockages a little bit and give me more of a passion to go and integrate myself to the normal world.

I feel as if it would be okay for me to do mescaline and may very well do some tonight. The biggest question is if I get immersed completely, will I follow the directions of the Tibettan book of the Dead? I believe in what it is saying..... in fact much of what the book says, I have experienced and validated thorugh dreaming without having even realized it.

So the issue is.......... surrender. If I dose mescaline at night and hole myself up in my room, lying motionless with earplugs in..... I won't have to worry about my environment, if someone knocks on my door I probably wouldn't notice it and they'd think I was sleeping [not too likely only one person ever comes to visit me]
furthermore by the time I peak and come back down to reality I can stay up and watch some movies that I have rented (happy movies) without fear of disturbance as no one comes to visit you at 2 a.m.

I can then spend the next day relaxing, go out for a nice long walk and get some exercise...... figure out my trip, etc.

but the question is...... fun light trip just for having a good time.......... deep immersive trip for ego-rebirth [this leads to more questions]............ or ........... no trip at all? I have several free days and the right psychedelic experience would and can and will be immensely healing for me...........

The issue is one of readiness..... you can never claim to be ready for something that you have never experienced... you step onto the roller coaster scared as hell but hoping to have a great time..... and then you eventually do have one.

I dunno. I probably will do mescaline..... I think I can handle it..... and I'm thinking I may go smoke salvia to verify that I'm ready to let go of my ego..... is this a good idea?

Salvia several hours before mescaline to test if I'm ready?

I feel like the me that goes on a huge mescaline trip and survives it through surrender is going to be a better me than the me who just sits around be lazy and getting fat all spring break.


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (03/11/06 11:46 AM)


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5388917 - 03/11/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Stop being a ****y and just take some drugs... Sounds like you need a girl mate. You have some serious mental issues.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Linuxman]
    #5388938 - 03/11/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Um.. You definately need to stop discussing the issue and take action weather to take it or not take it. Im guessing you are going to take something sooner or later, so you might as well stop trying to pospone it with your concerns and emotions and do it. JUST DO IT. You know you want to, you know you're going to, so why run around in circles around the damn tree? Basically that is all your doing in the end, running circles around a tree you know whant to climb.

The only thing to think about is wether you feel psychadelics are a key you might want to use to unlock a few doors. You obviously do, you're on this forum and asking these questions. The thinking is over. Stop THINKING about it, be a warriror and ACT.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Akira]
    #5388945 - 03/11/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah dude. I'm probably going to do it tonight like I said. I agree, it's something I want to do and therefore will eventually.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5388984 - 03/11/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I took 2.5 grams of shrooms last night. I was so afraid before hand, i was even sweating from my forehead. Like I said in a previous post, I had had the single worst experiences ever in my life on my last few trips so you can imagine the anxiety.

I grinded the srhooms into powder and made some capsules with them. I was so afraid, I literally had over a thousand reasons not to take them. Thanks to the memory of Don Juan and his warrior attitude, I convinced myself that I too must be a warrior if I intend to grow spiritually, and with that i let go of all thoughts (almost as in meditation) and swallowed the capsules.

After I took them, I then felt as if i had lifted an elephant of my back. Everything went well, my fears and concerns turnt into an empty silence that took off with the wind.

I am now more excited than EVER to trip again.


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"Our intention is our eternal fingerprint in the universe."

We know that God is good, and so are hamburgers and hot dogs. We know that hamburgers and hot dogs definitely do exist, so then by deduction of logic God too must also exist. Hamburgers + Hot dogs = God.... Duh


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5389099 - 03/11/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

In regard to the heart chakra, there are reasons why you should "Take this stuff in order and do NOT skip steps, I cannot emphasise that enough."

Your concern right now at THIS point in time should be your root chakra. Once you start to open the root chakra, you will UNDERSTAND why it's importaint that you open the root FIRST. You can meditate on the heart all you want, but until the chakras below it are open, you won't be reaching your potential. Also, the heart is a healing mechanisim, if it starts to light up, LET IT... but when it comes to meditation, start at the start.

Some people have HUGE hearts, and a huge capacity to love in an intermitent way, but because their lower chakras aren't in order, they experience a lot of problems in their life. Meditating on your heart will not fix your 2nd chakra. Meditating on your 2nd chakra will fix your 2nd chakra. Get the 1st chakra open and you're hope of being confident, being in control, and being secure in who you are will be right at your doorstep. And we're not talking years here, we're talking today, worry only about today :wink: Take it at your own pace, and you will be pleasantly SUPRISED at how quickly things progress.

I mentioned intent when tripping. Until you have a firm grasp on your lower chakras, controlling your intent isn't something you can boast about or rely on. I strongly recommend you don't try to meditate while tripping until all your major chakras are OPEN. Until then psychadelics should be "just for fun". I think a lot of this is intuitive to you, so just listen to yourself. There's a thread on this board titled "Please god someone help me". Have you read it? This is what you want to avoid. The way to avoid this type of situation is to start at the start, and GET THAT ROOT OPEN. You'll understand the definition of patience, and you'll have the feeling, you'll know, that you're "on your way", not "stuck" and not afraid you don't have the time and understanding to do what you need to do. Once the root is open, you won't feel the need to "push the envelope into the danger zone". You WILL feel the need to push forward at a level that is approperate for you.

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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5389311 - 03/11/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Rahz said:
"I strongly recommend you don't try to meditate while tripping until all your major chakras are OPEN."




You do realize that in most cases it literally takes several years to open and work with all 7 chakras right? I don't know why you wouldnt want to meditate on a hollucinogen until all 7 Chakras are open, i'm sure meditation while on a psychadelic will help if anything to open the other chakras.

Another thing, Chakra mediation is Indian/Sanskrit, their are far more many cultures with different forms of meditation out there in this world. Meditation in Buddhism for instance does not identify 7 vortex points of energy in the body as with Chakras. It does not single out and/or identify emotional/psychological/spiritual/physical/etc problems to certain points of enregy within body.

So unless you want to treat chakra meditation as you would a fundamental religious doctrine, I don't think DEPENDING on the chakras as a root source for not meditating during a psychadelic experience is rational.


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"Our intention is our eternal fingerprint in the universe."

We know that God is good, and so are hamburgers and hot dogs. We know that hamburgers and hot dogs definitely do exist, so then by deduction of logic God too must also exist. Hamburgers + Hot dogs = God.... Duh


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Akira]
    #5389385 - 03/11/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

>>>>I don't know why you wouldnt want to meditate on a hollucinogen until all 7 Chakras are open, i'm sure meditation while on a psychadelic will help if anything to open the other chakras.

I agree to a point. I personally don't see the value in meditating under the influence until at least the lower 4 are open. If you are having trouble controlling your intentions, as he seems to be, meditating while on psychadelics can be a "wild card". While some may enjoy playing around, I personally wouldn't advise it. To each their own though.

>>>>So unless you want to treat chakra meditation as you would a fundamental religious doctrine, I don't think DEPENDING on the chakras as a root source for not meditating during a psychadelic experience is rational.

Chakras are a GOOD indicator. However one does it, there needs to be a certaint confidence level. Going into a trip to meditate while having major confidence concerns is, IMO, not the best way to go about things. If you cannot quiet the mind while sober, why try under the influence? That's all I was trying to say, in the way I know to say it.

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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5391388 - 03/12/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

k I took a bit last night, what I thought to be enough to get a feel for mescaline without going overboard. I was wrong.... in fact I hardly felt anything at all.

I saw ghosts of what WILL be awesome visuals and felt my sense of movement smooth up. The cacti made my root/sacral chakras hurt a bit and i attempted to smooth them out...........

that's about it. Nothing ever really happened....... I have an afterbuzz though and will probably take the rest of the juice right now, which should put me in about twice as strong of a dose, which should be good for a medium/light trip with actual trippy nature.

i may have fucked up the preparation or something because with 2 oz of cactus you'd think you would have a pretty strong dose, so either i underestimated the first quantity i drank and drinking the rest will be STRONG.... or i messed up in the preparation which is entirely plausible.

Rahz............. I have heard that during psychedelic sessions focusing on the lower chakras induces negative and disturbing hallucinations as compared to the upper ones? Is this so? What you're saying makes a lot of sense..... I worked on the root for as long as attention would allow and on the second and the third later........ [my throat is BLOCKED OUT i don't know if it's form smoking but I think it's because my solar plexus isn't transmitting energy correctly]

so yes you are right, I need to get them working in order and need to start from the bottom.

I'm kind of scared to drink the rest of this but I know that I have no "control" over my environment [i.e. karma] so anything I fear isn't worth fearing.... and therefore even though I'm a little reluctnat to have a stronger trip..... it would actually benefit me greatly and strengthen my will. Plus I also want to, just the indecision is my obstacle......


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5393749 - 03/12/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

>>>>Rahz............. I have heard that during psychedelic sessions focusing on the lower chakras induces negative and disturbing hallucinations as compared to the upper ones? Is this so?

I may have came off all knowledgeable, though I did mention not being a guru. My intent was to be helpful, which I hope I have done. What you're saying sounds right. I'll explain what I can, the best I can, but be aware that I'm not much further than you, not much further at all. As I'm not a guru, take the things I say with a grain of salt. Look for better sources of information than me. It's frusterating using the internet because there's a LOT of conflicting information, and a lot of it just sounds like crap. In general, avoid information coming from places that are trying to sell you stuff.

I started out with little information. I don't really have an adviser, and after the experience I will relate, I've decided to take it slowly and not push myself any more than I'm comfortable with. It's not a matter of fear (though I did scare myself), it's a matter of doing things correctly for me. It's a matter of respect, for myself, and psychedelics.

This story begins last Tuesday night, March 7th.

I was hasty. I planned on taking 4 grams of shrooms and meditating on my root. I was having an awesome trip, and a short while after peaking I decided to try. I had been having a lot of success in the last few weeks, and was able to maintain a soft glow in my root throughout the day. Once you get this far, so many things you see in your daily life will make more sense, how you relate to others, your confidence will be boosted, you'll feel GREAT and go through the day like it's all some grand adventure (which it is). This is what I was saying about getting results soon. Anyway, before I actually tried to meditate, I'm sitting there and though my hair is 1/4 inch long, I got the sensation that something was pulling my head back, I fought it for a moment, and then felt a presence (this is the first time I have sensed this). The presence wanted me to lean back and relax because things needed to come out of me. So I did. As soon as my head hit the back of the chair, things did in fact start to come out. In my minds eye, they were thick dark goopy strands. My breathing involuntarily went up BIG time, and the stuff kept coming up and out the top of my head. Sometimes a spot on my body would quiver and the strand would shoot up from there. I've read a quote "the issues are in the tissues". Makes a lot of sense to me now. This went on for 4-5 minutes, and then stopped. I felt extremely peaceful (in a relative way), and still do to this day because of that. But there's a LOT more work to be done. It's been explained to me in this way: Layers of an onion. You peel one layer off to discover another layer. There's lots of layers for me to work through.

A short time after this, I tried to meditate on my root. My root began to open, but as it did, I felt, it felt like some of that energy shot up into my third eye, I felt like it was beginning to open. I IMMEDIATELY quit meditating. It was a stupid thing for me to have done. The rest of the trip went well, it was an excellent trip. I came down and went to bed. As I'm laying there, on the verge of sleep, I feel an intense horror welling up within me. My mouth opened in a scream (though no sound came out) and I bolted upright. The horror vanished. I was unconcerned in an odd kind of way. I simply layed back, closed my eyes and went to sleep.

The next day I'm going about my business, basking in the afterglow, and I decide to meditate. So I lay down and focus on my root. Within a few minutes my root is very open, so I go to the second, third and then to the heart. I had all 4 lower chakras CHARGED up. It felt incredible! I stop meditating, and notice that though the chakras felt great, there was something wrong. I felt shaky and weak, my whole body was vibrating. I tried to shrug it off, but it persisted. What happened is that because the shrooms were still having an effect, I was able to draw in too much energy for me to handle at that point in my development. At this point, I was still ok, or so I though, just weak. Shortly before going to bed that day I tried to meditate, just the root this time. As soon as my root began to open a little further, that energy shot straight up to my head. I felt a painful dizzy sensation. I tried a couple more times, trying harder to control my focus. It didn't matter and the same thing happened, but worse. At this point I had become VERY sensitive and had to force myself to not even think about meditating. Panic started to set in and I had to deal with that for an hour "Am I going to be OK?" "Is this permanent?" "Did I fuck myself up?" I finally convinced myself that everything was cool, I just went a little too far, and some rest would do me good. I was unable to meditate after this due to the dizzy sensation. At various times throughout the day/s that dizzy sensation returns and I have to force it down and calm myself.

Was this a BAD experience? I wouldn't say that, I learned a LOT as you can see. But it is an experience I don't care to repeat. A friend of mine had a buddy that went nuts, he's now in an institution. My friend went to visit him and he told me the guy kept saying things like "what's life all about?" "It must mean something, what does it mean?" over and over. No one knows what happened to him, but I believe my experience gave me a little insight into his situation. I don't want that to be me.

Like I said, this was less than a week ago. For the first couple days I couldn't meditate at all. Currently I'm able to meditate on my root for VERY short periods, like 5-10 seconds LOL. Perhaps I shouldn't, but what I'm doing is trying to get a feel for where I am in my recovery. Every day I feel better, and believe/hope that I'll be fully recovered in less than a month, though I'm playing it by ear.

I won't be taking shrooms for at least several months. I feel that I need to be able to maintain my intent before I try to use mushrooms in only a recreational way. This sucks because I just harvested about 4 dry ounces :grin:

So, start at the start, and move up to the next chakra when the first one is fully open. This can be tested by having a second person hold a crystal pendulum above the chakra. When it moves in a circle, you're ready to advance to the next one. It has been explained to me that this is the only way to be sure it's fully open. If the crystal moves in another pattern (there are various ones), it indicates a problem and more work needs to be done. As I understand it, there's no danger in meditating on any of the lower chakras, but time spent meditating on the others is time not spent meditating on the one you need to focus on. In other words, meditating on all four won't get you there any faster, and it could slow progress down since you're just "goofin" with them (I say that in a respectful way). This is my current understanding.

As far as the crystal thing, I haven't experienced it yet. There are other systems (as another poster mentioned). This is the one I'm using, don't take it as the gospel. Unfortunately for me, I live in a small town in the bible belt, I have no one as of yet who can help me diagnose my readiness to move up. I use a color association system in which the root is red, and I've been told that one way to tell when I'm ready is that I will be able to see the red CLEARLY, though I'm advised it's not an equal substitute for the pendulum. Also, it seems to me that my root should remain _fully_ open throughout the day before I'm ready to advance, though this is just my guess. But after this experience, I want to do things right, and will only be working on the root until I know I'm ready for the next one.

I have much more to learn. There are people out there who can answer your questions much better than I. I need someone to answer my questions :smile: I went inside in a haphazard manner, so long as this all settles out, I feel much better prepared, though because there were things I didn't know, I now wonder what else I need to know to avoid other pitfalls. I didn't think I needed anyone to help me along, but now I've VERY interested in finding some guidance.

leery, I hope reading this will give you some info you can relate to, though again, you can see my information is limited and incomplete, and I'm not even sure what to make of some of it (that silent scream was way weird). I DO know that this stuff is best approached in a respectful, well thought out manner. I apologise for coming off in a knowledgeable manner, you can now see where I'm at. I have some info on the chakras, their meanings, and what the diffrent pendulum patterns indicate, I'll send them to you if you're intrested.

If anyone has made it this far through this long ass post, and cares to comment on my situation, on how full my recovery will be, and/or on anything else I've said, it would be much appreciated.

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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5393769 - 03/12/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

your just to scared to trip dont do it


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Trippy_Search]
    #5393807 - 03/12/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

LOL, It's not a fear issue. There are REAL mental issues going on with me right now. Not with my thought process, but with the physical sensation in my head. I stung myself, I hope that's all it is. But you're right, I won't be tripping for a while.

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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5394780 - 03/13/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That's an interesting experience. I think I did too many drugs yesterday... disappointed with my lack of mescaline I did some salvia and didn't really go with the experience, I told the f ragemented "mes" that they needed to heal my physical body when I went to sleep.

That had my energy kind of out of whack, whereas the mescaline seemed to have had it grounded well I now felt some in the third eye, etc.

Then I had a small drink and ate some weed.............
I wanted to get high............... but now I may have sent my energy a flux from too many drugs.

Anyway.. when I first started getting stoned I could feel my energy in my stomach really strongly ....... I would sit around and focus on the chakras and visualzie their colors and I would get caught in a feedback loop where I CONVULSED involuntarily as a bright explosion of color appeared before my eyes at that chakra point.

This was most problemsome with the root, because when it went off it would sometimes send a huge kundalini explosion up my spine, which generally would not make it all the way to the top of my head and hurt immensely.

Since frequent smoking started (and has now stopped) this stopped happening though so I worry I may have damaged the chakras through marijuana use.

One time I focused on the red of the root and came into this hellishly evil animal consciousness, the most primitive primal and raw thing ever conceivable, it was complete and utter terror, but worse than that, madness.... like being a devil machine...... pounding and lumbering and monstrously crude and primitive..... pure madness condensed into an energy, frequency, sound, and a sea of red.

It shook me up real bad and I had to stop focusong on that area immediately. It wasn't the root, it was the color red. I've since thought that maybe the rainbow system is incorrect and that red is not the right color to charge your whole body with through the root.... that red is more proper for the heart chakra.

My connundrum is one of escapism.... I just want to experience complete and total liberation, but I'm reluctant to do a massive psychedelic dose (and indeed don't have the sources to get one) to do it.... it's just like life is so bland and stale...... it's my fault I know...... I need to be making cool friends and stuff but still........... blandness times 10,000. I want a vacation..... but instead of wanting to go to some amusement park or beach or something I just want a vacation inside my head for a little while, to spice things back up.

I mean......... I hate spring break... I have nothing to do. If I go home with my family the boredom will only exponentially increase, as well.

But it seems like since the mescaline failed I need to lay off drugs for the rest of the week so that maybe if I order some more I'll have a cleaner body to do it with....... the only "psychedelic" i have to do is DXM and I just don't think that's a good idea.

But sobriety is BORING when you have countless hours of free time. It's fine being sober if you have something to occupy yourself with like school.


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5395327 - 03/13/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I understand (somewhat) the concepts you're talking about. As for your notion that red is not for the root, but for the heart, none of this is set in stone, each person will find their own way. However :smile: red root has worked for a great many people. Perhaps, your negative association with red root indicates a problem. What I know is that as I start to see the red more clearly, the chakra starts to open and grow, but ALSO, my whole body begins to tingle with energy that moves upward from my feet, through my body and up out the top of my head. This energy is a red sparkling energy and as it moves upwards, it is grabbing all kinds of negativity and taking it with it out the top of my head, never to return :laugh: What I experience when sober, the negativity is tiny black flecks. What I experienced when shroomin, LARGE black strands, and it was effortless. Again though, I wasn't attempting to meditate at that point, it just happened, effortlessly.

The association with the root is the same as that of a tree: roots growing down into the earth, anchoring, planting yourself. And when those roots are grown, the earth begins to send it's red, sparkling, VIVATIOUS nutrients up into the tree. LIFE!!! When meditating on the root, I AM the tree, a beautiful, tall, strong oak. And the earth is nourishing and CLEANING me and my root chakra. I consider that the earth is GLAD to be doing this for me, that the earth gave birth to humanity, and that the earth has a strong desire for me to know it loves me, and that I should accept this energy with gratitude.

This is how I visualize it, and it works well.

>>>>My connundrum is one of escapism....
>>>>it's just like life is so bland and stale......
>>>>I mean......... I hate spring break... I have nothing to do. If I go home with my family the boredom will only exponentially increase, as well.
>>>> ---But sobriety is BORING----

This is all an indication that your root needs work. When you meditate and have the root open to whatever degree, ask that it hold so that once you're done meditating it stays open. When you get to the point that you root stays open, even to a small degree, you WON'T be bored at ALL. But have patience. If it was ment to be easy, it would be... Also, because of your trouble with the color association, there may be a problem I'm very unable to understand. I don't think you MUST have someone understand and explain, though it would be helpful. If/until then just keep working on it, take it at your own pace.

You also seem to have an association: drugs=progress, no drugs=stuck.

This is not so. Get it in your head that YOU ARE ENOUGH! You are more than enough. Drugs are not necessary. You are all you need, have faith in YOURSELF. I was/am making good progress. The shrooms took me faster than I needed to go. But then again, I had to learn this for myself. Now I know. Perhaps you need to find this for yourself. But I'm telling ya, you are DA MAN. LOL

Rahz


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5395482 - 03/13/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Heh thanks <3

I value sobriety a lot its just I get in my phases where I want to alter my brain, only on psychedelics though I cannot stand to drink even, smelling liquor makes me gag. I tried to drink last night and just couldn't bring myself to do it.

I don't associate red with "bad" anymore at all though, it was some conditioning I had to work out with all the fear of hell/devil etc. It's gone pretty much.... red is a great color but because of its use in our society I still easily also see it as "evil" in the sense of someone having immensely "ill" power and not being in control of it, like an extremely impassionated negative person or something.

But........ you think having the root open makes me appreciate the day to day living more? I just went and exercised and walked around and you know, it's a nice day out but I just don't feel the "wow the world is a neat amazing place" feelings like I should feel.

Thank you though, you have encouraged me to work on the root because I know it's not functioning right but have been largely ignoring it for sake of other chakras.

One thing I really want to do is "tune in" my brain with psychedelics. I'm not a very visual person, if I try to visualize red I could only "see" it for a few fleeting moments..... I feel that while tripping auto-symbolic / self hypnotic suggestions would work a lot more efficiently as I unlock parts of my mind that I have not consciously used in a very long time.

At the same time though my sober time is probably better spent just breathing and working on lower connections than it is trying to visualize (and therefore stimulate the third eye) so yeah.........

I dunno. Things are fine. Maybe I wasn't supposed to trip afterall but I will be trying mescaline again within a few weeks probably. I like the earthy energetic properties it had which felt a lot more "wholesome" than cannabis. Or at least, the cannabis I had.

I also think the root = male sexuality, something I'm severely lacking right now.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (03/13/06 02:55 PM)


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: leery11]
    #5395762 - 03/13/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

>>>>But........ you think having the root open makes me appreciate the day to day living more?

That's what I've been trying to say. It's like this. When your root begins to open, even a little, you wont have to think "Hmm, is my root open?" "Hmm, do I have more confidence". You will know it's open because you can feel it, and IT FEELS GOOD. You will have confidence, not because you are better able to "work yourself up to something", but simply because you have confidence. IT'S MAGIC :smile:

Consider this when meditating: You eagerness to advance is what's holding you back. And don't worry (push) too much about seeing red. It will begin to come to you. Focus on calming and quitening your body and mind. Ask yourself how much more quite can you be. ENJOY this, allow yourself to enjoy it. See where I'm going? Once you begin to enjoy the meditation, the meditation will be effective.

>>>>I also think the root = male sexuality

I'd have to say the 2nd chakra is about sexuality. It gets a little deep here, but it's importaint to have the root open before the sacral. The root makes you feel grounded, secure, alive, HAPPY. You can be sexual without those things, but consider what it would lead to.

Rahz


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Re: Help me figure out tripping. [Re: Rahz]
    #5396101 - 03/13/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well to me earth is male and water is female.

and it seems the solar plexus is about happiness..... one time while on LSA + weed (very low doses) i used it to enter a really profound and neat state corresponding to the element of fire which was just very happy and "empty" somehow.

The chakras do have a lot of dissent about just what they are about....... its odd though I have this random memory of being abosrbed in the root chakra as a youth. a very young youth.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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