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Technical school is a joke
#5377513 - 03/08/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am about five months into a sixteen month electrician training program. It is painfully easy. I could get A's in my sleep and academic rigor is non-existent there.
Also, the class is full of immature and boisterous people of below average intelligence. Not only is it commonplace for the teacher to be interrupted by catcalls and fart noises every five seconds, but it is a given that every day at least one person will ask how to transfer fractions into decimals. I can't help but roll my eyes when we spend days on some topic that I managed to understand in ten minutes. I don't want to give the impression that I am claiming to be a genius....I'm not even close to that intellectual level. But, my acumen is far superior to most of the people in my class.
I really don't care too much though. The only reason I went was so I could get a monthly allowance from my trust fund. I have no career or educational ambitions and it's nice not to have to deal with a real academic environment (i.e. college) because I'm just too damn lazy.
So it goes.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377521 - 03/08/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice to hear that shcool is going well. :-)
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: kilroy69]
#5377532 - 03/08/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Did you expect anything different?
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377542 - 03/08/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hit up some college or something. It's great that you will now be certified as an electrician..just like the rest of those dumb asses.
You really sound like you want a challange but got no motivation to go and get it. The world is yours..RUN! (esepcially if you have a trust fund to cover your ass)...I'm coming out of college with a debt and a half.
...not to be harsh or anything man. just my .02c
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: badchad]
#5377551 - 03/08/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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badchad said: Did you expect anything different?
Kind of.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377558 - 03/08/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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So do you still suggest I go to tech school and not an apprentice program?
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Edited by kilroy69 (03/08/06 01:44 PM)
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377559 - 03/08/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's cliche' but do something you like.
Get biology degree in 4 years, then go work in a laboratory doing psychedelic research. The pay will be squat, but you don't need the money, and you'll be doing something you love.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: Tien]
#5377560 - 03/08/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Plutonium said: Hit up some college or something. It's great that you will now be certified as an electrician..just like the rest of those dumb asses.
You really sound like you want a challange but got no motivation to go and get it. The world is yours..RUN! (esepcially if you have a trust fund to cover your ass)...I'm coming out of college with a debt and a half.
I don't want to go back to college. I was annoyed at how you had to take a bunch of classes that had nothing to do with your major. I was also annoyed at the blatant political indoctrination in most of the classes.
I actually don't want a challenge. I dislike working hard physically or mentally. I would much rather slide through technical school than have to do actual work in college. But, just because I like technical school more doesn't negate the fact that it is a joke.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377562 - 03/08/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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badchad said: Did you expect anything different?
Kind of.
I suppose Electrical Engineering would be more interesting.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: badchad]
#5377566 - 03/08/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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badchad said: It's cliche' but do something you like.
Get biology degree in 4 years, then go work in a laboratory doing psychedelic research. The pay will be squat, but you don't need the money, and you'll be doing something you love.
I don't like psychedelics. I don't do drugs (except for the occassional blast of cocaine or nitrous).
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: kilroy69]
#5377570 - 03/08/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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kilroy69 said: So do you still suggest I go to tech school and not an apprentice program?
The apprenticeship program through the union is fraught with pitfalls (I listed them in a PM to you). ...But, I surmise that odds are you will be better educated and you will make more money by doing the apprenticeship program.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377578 - 03/08/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I went through a couple of months of Tech school in electricity. It's nice to see things haven't changed all that much.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: Tien]
#5377580 - 03/08/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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badchad said: Did you expect anything different?
Kind of.
I suppose Electrical Engineering would be more interesting.
That's what my major was in college. I was actually pretty good at it but I lost interest. It is boring as hell by the way.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377585 - 03/08/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Glad you're kicking some ass. I suppose it's good that it's too easy that too hard, huh?
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377587 - 03/08/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea thats what I was wondering. Just thought I would ask someone who is going through it now.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: Redstorm]
#5377590 - 03/08/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Glad you're kicking some ass. I suppose it's good that it's too easy that too hard, huh?
Well, I wouldn't consider doing stuff that a chimp could do to be "kicking ass". It is nice that it is easy. I never have to study or do homework.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377594 - 03/08/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Suffer goes to a techincal shcool, he'll be getting his associates in computer and electrical engineering in August/September. He's currently valedictorian of his class, and does NO homework, NO studying, and gets high before school every day. Every quarter when they present him with the "Highest Honors" certificate, he laughs and says "You have no idea".
It did get more interesting as the program went on. Lately he's been learning stuff that actually interests him. Having met you, you are way too smart for a 16 month program. Regardless of how lazy you are, get your ass in to college and deal with the core requirements for a few years. You'll get a 4 year degree in something that actually interests you, that can help you long term.
Now go!
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377609 - 03/08/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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badchad said: Did you expect anything different?
Kind of.
I suppose Electrical Engineering would be more interesting.
That's what my major was in college. I was actually pretty good at it but I lost interest. It is boring as hell by the way.
I can only imagine all the fucking numbers you had to put up with...hate numbers 
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: Liz]
#5377628 - 03/08/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Liz said: Having met you, you are way too smart for a 16 month program.
get your ass in to college
Thank you for the compliment Liz. Unfortunately, I do not have the ambition at all. Did you know that I have dropped out of college three times? The first time I left because my dad died. The second time I went back and I quit the first day because I truly did not want to be there. The last time I quit was when I did an online degree program with a university and I just stopped logging in. I just don't want to learn. All I want to do is drive fast cars, drink, play video games, and have sex with easy women.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: Tien]
#5377633 - 03/08/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Plutonium said: [I can only imagine all the fucking numbers you had to put up with...hate numbers 
There were definately a lot of equations to remember. It wasn't terribly hard once you got into the groove of things though.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377637 - 03/08/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fuck college anyways. If you don't like it, you'll be better off doing a trade. Most of the time, I feel like I'm wasting my time here.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: Redstorm]
#5377639 - 03/08/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Fuck college anyways. If you don't like it, you'll be better off doing a trade. Most of the time, I feel like I'm wasting my time here.
Being a Poli. Sci. major you are wasting your time unless you are going to go to law school.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377701 - 03/08/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey i am in pretty much in the same boat as you..and also thinking of doing a electricians aprentenship or tech school. you still have that pm you sent that other guy.maybe you could foward it to me or even kilroy69 there so little info on the net about this.
also im sure you know but if you take big risks now with that trust fund you could really live the lazy life later on this is sort of my plan. also in a similar situation myself i got house,cars ect paid for so pretty much all the money i make will go toards a buisness.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377712 - 03/08/06 02:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I just wanted it so I could be more informed. I want to write for a living anyways, and politics was what I Wanted to write about. I have a business minor to fall back on anyways.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: buckwheat]
#5377754 - 03/08/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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UNION APPRENTICESHIP:
Advantages:
1. The training is top notch. 2. The pay is usually very good (once you become a journeyman). 3. You don't have to pay for the schooling. 4. You immediately start working and earning money.
Disadvantages:
1. You are beholden to the union. The union pays for your schooling which means you have to play by their rules. If the union says, "You can't go do this or work here" then you can't go do that or work there. 2. It takes five years to get your journeyman's license. Most technical schools will have you out in 1/4 the time. 3. Union work is notorious for drying up. When this happens you will need to travel (oftentimes very far away) to find work. This can put a strain on things if you have a family. 4. You are financially beholden to the union in many ways. You have to give them dues and all kinds of shit. Yes, you do get stuff like a retirement account and legal counsel if you would need it, but I don't like the idea of having an organization take a lot of my money to offer me services. I'm a small-government kind of person. 5. It can be hard to get sponsored to get in. There is a lot of nepotism when it comes to apprenticeship spots.
TECHNICAL SCHOOL:
Advantages:
1. You get in and out quickly. Most technical schools are from 16-24 months. 2. You are not beholden to anybody. You can do whatever you want once you graduate. You can even apply to take your journeyman's test after you have a certain amount of work hours. So, you can join the union even if you never went through the apprenticeship program.
Disadvantages:
1. The academic rigor is usually quite lax. 2. It can get expensive paying for school.
I know a guy who went through the union apprenticeship program and he is retired now. He made good money and he is comfortable. I also know guys who went to technical school, started their own electrical businesses, and they make a killing.
However, there are some things you should know about residential wiring:
1. You will make good money if you run your own business and you know how to do it. 2. You will make good money if you do residential stuff on the side and you don't report it to the I.R.S. (under the table work). 3. If you work for somebody else doing residential wiring you will not make good money unless you go to an area that is having a construction boom (Pheonix, Las Vegas, etc..). Anywhere else though you will be earning $8 an hour.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377770 - 03/08/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was going to do this same thing then I wired a house and found out I fucking hate running wires. I'd rather frame a house for 14$ an hour than make 25$ doing that crap, I can't stand it. I think I'd rather be a plumber.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377786 - 03/08/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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go to college!!! THE LADIES!!!
Switch up your major. Something that you like. Maybe art? biz?
I'd go for the ladies.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5377788 - 03/08/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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If I could I would go to university the rest of my life, on someone elses dime of course.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: Liquidkick]
#5377795 - 03/08/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Liquidkick said: go to college!!! THE LADIES!!!
Switch up your major. Something that you like. Maybe art? biz?
I'd go for the ladies.
I like ladies. Unfortunately, I do not like anything that you can study. I have no interest in any occupational training or education. The best I can hope for is something that I can tolerate. I can tolerate electrician stuff.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: Noetical]
#5377806 - 03/08/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Noetic Hogan Nip said: If I could I would go to university the rest of my life, on someone elses dime of course.
I actually hated college. I didn't fit in and I would leave every Friday the second my last class was done. I'm too anti-social (and too old now) for a college environment.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5379588 - 03/08/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I hear ya on that shit. I'm 23, going back and am not looking forward to the pieces of shit asking me to buy alcohol for them... 
Now the bitches on the other hand....
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: Adom]
#5379626 - 03/08/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Adom said: I was going to do this same thing then I wired a house and found out I fucking hate running wires. I'd rather frame a house for 14$ an hour than make 25$ doing that crap, I can't stand it. I think I'd rather be a plumber.
i used to pull cable cat5,6 LAN's for schools and the like, talking like 13 thousand foot reels a day bein pulled, then u gotta strip and jack every Loc, end and server sides.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: fresh313]
#5379672 - 03/08/06 10:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am starting to look at tech schools amd see if I can swing it.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5381471 - 03/09/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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All I want to do is drive fast cars, drink, play video games, and have sex with easy women.
lmao, I'm actually right there with you. Ed Norton is a beast!
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
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How far did you get into an EE degree? The first 1-2 years are really boring. The end of the second year starts getting interesting. Then 3rd and 4th years are quite fun. You actually learn all the necessary Fourier series math, or partial differential equations to really make things that are interesting. Robots, high quality audio amplifiers and such. Also you can start doing research those years, and you dont have to take extraneous classes really. So depending on when you left, you might like it a lot more coming back.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: TheCow]
#5382311 - 03/09/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ever thought of becoming a pharmacist? You get your pharm.D in six years and then right after you can get your license. Dr. Randall sounds nice, doesn't it? The course work itself is very interesting if you like organic chem, bio, and drugs. Once you graduate, the work itself is quite easy and you mostly count pills and answer people's questions. However, the pay is great, about 70k+ out of college and there is a large demand for pharmacists that is not being met.
Or you can go for a bs in pharmaceutical sciences(grad school and phd if you want also) and ultimately end up working for a pharm company researching and developing drugs, marketing, etc.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: d33p]
#5382351 - 03/09/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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d33p said: Dr. Randall sounds nice, doesn't it?
It does have a nice ring to it actually. 
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d33p said: Ever thought of becoming a pharmacist? You get your pharm.D in six years and then right after you can get your license.
Too much school. I would also probably O.D. on uppers after a few months.
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5382710 - 03/09/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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What about a visual communications degree?
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: SourceLimit]
#5382717 - 03/09/06 07:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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SourceLimit said: What about a visual communications degree?
Have fun!
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5382726 - 03/09/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: I am about five months into a sixteen month electrician training program. It is painfully easy. I could get A's in my sleep and academic rigor is non-existent there.
Also, the class is full of immature and boisterous people of below average intelligence. Not only is it commonplace for the teacher to be interrupted by catcalls and fart noises every five seconds, but it is a given that every day at least one person will ask how to transfer fractions into decimals. I can't help but roll my eyes when we spend days on some topic that I managed to understand in ten minutes. I don't want to give the impression that I am claiming to be a genius....I'm not even close to that intellectual level. But, my acumen is far superior to most of the people in my class.
sounds like me in my program. do you actually plan on becoming an electrician? are you doin res or industrial electrical shit?
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Re: Technical school is a joke [Re: Yarry]
#5382747 - 03/09/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yarry said: sounds like me in my program. do you actually plan on becoming an electrician? are you doin res or industrial electrical shit?
Yeah, I plan on becoming employed in the field somewhere. My program is a 16 month program that touches on residential electric, industrial electric, commercial electric, motors, and PLC's.
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