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God - Lets abolish the word
    #5377231 - 03/08/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Firstly I will apologise for ranting but...

What makes people even care about 'God'?

Why are people always talking about it?

Apart from indoctrination, I can see no reason. We are taught at a very early age that we have a creator...

I don't buy into it. All I have to do is look at the world we live in and you quickly realise that 'God' or 'The gods', in terms of how religions describe them, do not exist.

I'm not trying to be offensive to anybody but it just seems clear that the religions are bullshit
1. The gods don't do anything to help humans
2. Look at the animal kingdom - its ferrocious, no all loving God there
3. Theres so many different religions or interpretations.
4. The documents that claim knowledge i.e Bible, Kohran (sp?) etc have been re-told by so many people, converted from different languages, how can anybody believe that they are still a true representation

And the only justification religion fans can come up with is 'God works in mysterious ways'.

I could write a bible. I could write a Da Vinci Code. Make lots of money and convince millions of people that it is the sole version of reality but that idea sucks!

I just cannot understand why anybody would believe in or even care to talk about this God rubbish.

I can only assume that these people prefer to be told how things are rather than to look, question and think for themselves.


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: Ego Death]
    #5377412 - 03/08/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't understand how people can see themselves merely as walking, talking, thinking meat. That's psychosis in materiality to me. A human being frankly isn't complete if he is distrustful and unquestioned of his own existence. Is nothingness, blackness, and sleep truly your metaphysical back-and-fore-ground? You talk about God and religion like a run-of-the-mill atheist teenager with absolutely no historical insights into what you're referring to (The Bible and Holy Qur'an for example). All you got is production-line ideas about religion and God, which you misinterpret along with fundamentalist Christians, Muslims, etc. And no, you couldn't write a Da Vinci Code. That would require some historical knowledge of Christianity first.


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: Basilides]
    #5377708 - 03/08/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

the 'letters have been twisted'.. but you can still see it..

G <- spiral = eternity
O <- circle = is infinite
D <- semicircle = un-/determined

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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: Ego Death]
    #5377810 - 03/08/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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danoEoboy said:
Firstly I will apologise for ranting but...

What makes people even care about 'God'?

People care about God because he cares about us.

Why are people always talking about it?

Because they realize that no matter how advanced science gets it will NEVER have all the answers to all the questions.

Apart from indoctrination, I can see no reason. We are taught at a very early age that we have a creator...

MANY were taught that true enough, but I wasnt. I am 21 years old and did not believe in God, or read religious scriptures(all kinds not just the bible) until a year ago. I had been to church a handfull of times with friends after sleepovers and the like, but other than that I was rasied as my own person. My beliefs are stronger because of that I feel. Most take religion and God for granted in that the church has always been part of the life. It just is. I still dont go to church it goes against what the bible itself says. Do not judge God by those out there who Him for their own gains.

I don't buy into it. All I have to do is look at the world we live in and you quickly realise that 'God' or 'The gods', in terms of how religions describe them, do not exist.

Please explain this first part man, every tree, flower, bird, etc., that I see is work of art made by God. You right on the last count religions have it all wrong. God DOES NOT belong to the various churches in this world, and I think you would have to be very stupid to suggest so.

I'm not trying to be offensive to anybody but it just seems clear that the religions are bullshit
1. The gods don't do anything to help humans
2. Look at the animal kingdom - its ferrocious, no all loving God there
3. Theres so many different religions or interpretations.
4. The documents that claim knowledge i.e Bible, Kohran (sp?) etc have been re-told by so many people, converted from different languages, how can anybody believe that they are still a true representation

1.God helps us in everything that happens. Although it may not be the kind of help we usually wish for.
2.God is everywhere in the animal kingdom. God is balance and Nature is perfect balance. Violence is a sin to God because we have guilt and shame, two emotions animals do not have. This is what is meant by the "fruit of knowledge"
3.True the word has come to many(if not all of mankind). Different people have different cultures different customs, hence the different forms of religions in teh world. I have no doubt that the message was much the same to each and every prophet, being human though one cant be surprised that the word is used for their own gains at times.
4.You cant be sure of the interpretation, that is no reason not to read them however. THe themes, stories, and "meat" of the bible remains. Any book is read through the lense of its author, obviously. Would you skip over Plato because its been retranslated? No, of course not, thats no excuse


And the only justification religion fans can come up with is 'God works in mysterious ways'.

I never say this. His ways arent mysterious to me, he obviously works within the laws of nature. I believe in God but I trust proven facts of Science. For instance, In my belief God "created" us through evolution. Our "laws" and the like are his tools. I do not think this should be taught as science like those intelligent design freaks. Let people make the connection theirselves is what I say.

I could write a bible. I could write a Da Vinci Code. Make lots of money and convince millions of people that it is the sole version of reality but that idea sucks!

It sure does, and i highly doubt you could do it. Any new "religions" have been stamped out by the three big ones pretty much consistenly.

I just cannot understand why anybody would believe in or even care to talk about this God rubbish.

Yet again, you seem to have a very narrow view of the world. People speak of God because it is the last answer left to them. I dont go around God this God that, bla bla bla, Thats for the phoney evangelical fools. God is real though, problem is any idiot can use the word and scare people like you away with it.

I can only assume that these people prefer to be told how things are rather than to look, question and think for themselves.




Quite the contrary my belief in God is a big part of my hatred for all men who seek power over other men. God is freedom, not slavery. Human society on the other hand ....


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: Ego Death]
    #5377813 - 03/08/06 02:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

God remains dead. And we have killed him.


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5377899 - 03/08/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yes u can create ur own religion and ppl will follow u aslong as they need something to believe in rather than themselvs.example--church of scientology...

god doesnt make the world a better place ppl do..
god doesnt make the world a worse place ppl do..

therefor there is no need for a god if he cannot bring wisdom


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Man who put cock in Peanut Butter jar is Fucking Nuts.
Man with tool in woman mouth May not necessarily be dentist.
Schoolboy who play with schoolgirl during wrong period, get caught red-handed.
He who fish in other's hole often catch crabs.
Man who go to sleep with itchy butt, wake with smelly fingers...
Man young when he snatches kisses, old when he kisses snatches.


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: beavis190]
    #5378054 - 03/08/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

But he does bring wisdom, and he is far from dead, perhaps a little reclusive lately but can you blame him, what nation or group of people, or church of this earth is worthy of a visit from GOD? none. So why WOULD he show himself?

God brings us wisdom of ourselves. Not in the form of science but in the ways of the soul. Somethign science knows absolutly nothing about. How many times have you heard meat is good then next week meat causes cancer, etc etc. Nothing stands true for long concerning humanity. We cant even figure ours FLESH out and yet people believe the major forces of the universe have already been explained to us in full and complete truth? Sounds like a pretty stupid bunch of people but what do I know? i'm just your run of the mill pothead hippy.

Yes People do make things better worse, but that does not mean God does not as well? You cant say people do everything when you dont know everything can you? nope you sure cant. People have free will we can do what the hell we want thats a true enogh fact of life. God doesnt fuck around with us to much early on I think he is the reason we began farming and the like. Once we had things under control, he stays on the sidlines. Someday we will be close enough to fucking everything up I.E. end the world scenarios, and he will have to come and set things right. He is in control of all peoples and places on the earth and doesnt use his power.

This is his wisdom. Man has the mind of a God, but the wits of an ape. We do things without thinking. We do things on account of emotions. And we make mistakes a plenty that much is sure.

Temperance is the gift that God gives us. It is an idea that goes against all human instinct and yet, few will make a list of virtues without it.


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: beavis190]
    #5378069 - 03/08/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

there is a need for worship a need to place eyes on something superior for instruction, on a Creator,
if you dont believe me think answer this wasn't your father, mother , older sibling, older friend or for that matter any other person you looked up to in some way a Gide or mentor in your life?
there is a need for something to follow, something to set as a guide.
its hard to live without direction thats why there is a GOD, Not as a religion but as a mentor , a father , a friend
there are many people that can Dennie the need but by denying the need you cheat you self from receiving the truth.


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: DriAno]
    #5378097 - 03/08/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

And what is the *drum roll* truth?


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: psyka]
    #5378193 - 03/08/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

its up to each person to find the truth
but are you willing to search?


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: DriAno]
    #5378256 - 03/08/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

pothead hippies all the way!!!i have another view tho...why does it have to be "god" that helped early man it could have been ET.religions people wage war over their beliefs all the time..why??becuz they think there right and everyone wants to be right and go to heaven..yet if no one believed in heaven/hell there would be no religion bcuz they would not care.one one will except the fact that when ur dead ur dead.i dunno if there is a heaven or hell but im not gunna waste my time on earth just to worry about what will happen when i die.if everyone rejected religion the world would be a better place...


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Man who put cock in Peanut Butter jar is Fucking Nuts.
Man with tool in woman mouth May not necessarily be dentist.
Schoolboy who play with schoolgirl during wrong period, get caught red-handed.
He who fish in other's hole often catch crabs.
Man who go to sleep with itchy butt, wake with smelly fingers...
Man young when he snatches kisses, old when he kisses snatches.


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: beavis190]
    #5378304 - 03/08/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i agree
religion is nothing more than an escuse to be a certain way think like evryone else and to be  a part of something for the sake of being  right
:smile:


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: DriAno]
    #5379070 - 03/08/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

finally someone agrees with me :thumbup:


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Man who put cock in Peanut Butter jar is Fucking Nuts.
Man with tool in woman mouth May not necessarily be dentist.
Schoolboy who play with schoolgirl during wrong period, get caught red-handed.
He who fish in other's hole often catch crabs.
Man who go to sleep with itchy butt, wake with smelly fingers...
Man young when he snatches kisses, old when he kisses snatches.


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: Ego Death]
    #5380887 - 03/09/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Then dano, you definitively are in the wrong forum :wink:


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: Basilides]
    #5380971 - 03/09/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hey,
ALL OF YOU

DON'T MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT ME - YOU DON'T KNOW ME.

St_Valentinus :
1. No I do not think people are "meat", I thyink the existance of the soul is highly likely and, to me, not far off proven.
2. Don't judge my knowledge by a spelling mistake - I am talking generally here, I notice you have NO explaination for the amount of religions*

blaze2 :
1. What makes you assume God is a 'he'?
2. Yet science is already unravelling the very code for life (DNA/RNA) and re-programming it
3. No its not a work of God - It is most likely evolution
4. So why did he not create the world perfectly? Because life evolves by mutation
5. The last answer? Its one of the first questions an intelligent mind comes to when it meets self awareness.
6. You don't seem to have any reasoning or logic as to why you have decided "him" to exist.

*I do - It is in human nature to ask how we became, the logical mind
then makes reasons for that, which when told, spread like hot gossip.

Hence, me saying that anybody could write this stuff and people will believe it. Because THEY WANT to. The ego requires an answer otherwise it has nothing, which we all FEAR!

Humans are afraid of not knowing, of not understanding. Its easier to make up your own answer. This is what arises God.

Also,
A chimp could write the da vinci code - It relied on the fact that the code changes to suit the authors needs - the code is therefore fundamentally flawed. Anybody can make up a code to make letters make the words they want them too!


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: Ego Death]
    #5381625 - 03/09/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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God - Lets abolish the word



So what are people supposed to scream during sex? :shrug:


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: Silversoul]
    #5381672 - 03/09/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
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God - Lets abolish the word



So what are people supposed to scream during sex? :shrug:




hmmmm.......holy shit??? or ooohhhh fuuuuccckkkk??ooor oh my,oh my....daaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.....lol just a few.


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Man who put cock in Peanut Butter jar is Fucking Nuts.
Man with tool in woman mouth May not necessarily be dentist.
Schoolboy who play with schoolgirl during wrong period, get caught red-handed.
He who fish in other's hole often catch crabs.
Man who go to sleep with itchy butt, wake with smelly fingers...
Man young when he snatches kisses, old when he kisses snatches.


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: Silversoul]
    #5381675 - 03/09/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I wonder if refering to God during sex is a strictly English speaking phenomena or if it occurs in other cultures.


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: Basilides]
    #5381714 - 03/09/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"? GUUD!"

:wink:

it 'is' a common phenomena! :laugh:


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Re: God - Lets abolish the word [Re: beavis190]
    #5382047 - 03/09/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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pothead hippies all the way!!!i have another view tho...why does it have to be "god" that helped early man it could have been ET.religions people wage war over their beliefs all the time..why??becuz they think there right and everyone wants to be right and go to heaven..yet if no one believed in heaven/hell there would be no religion bcuz they would not care.one one will except the fact that when ur dead ur dead.i dunno if there is a heaven or hell but im not gunna waste my time on earth just to worry about what will happen when i die.if everyone rejected religion the world would be a better place...




Yup I also lean in the God and his angels, were actually aliens theory. I think all the early Gods(greek, roman, egyptian, etc.) were probrobly aliens. They would still be Gods tho if they imparted in us human virtue. For in all religions that is the gift from the Gods. The one unifing trait.

BTW thanks for the hippy love. Peace

blaze2


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