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fireworks_god
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Forgetting
#5377181 - 03/08/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Homer often makes a fool of himself when drunk, as shown in flashback in "El Viaje Misterioso de Nuestro Jomer" (3F24): he is naked and holding a beer bottle while twirling around in a cotton candy machine, drawling, "Look at me! I'm a puffy pink cloud!" He dismisses the incident in the present, telling his wife Marge, "Oh, well, of course, everything looks bad if you remember it."
I found this quotation to be an interesting one to contemplate after partaking in some bong hits. 
While having a memory is certainly a valuable asset to our mind, it is the manner in which we often use our memory that disrupts our present experience of reality. This manner is to identify more with these memories, to define "who we are" through these memories, rather than to derive our sense of self from the direct perception of the self, which is presently unfolding as the culmination of who we are, right here, right now.
Upon my own reflection, being in an altered state of mind, floating in a pool of cotton candy, envisioning oneself as a pink cloud would not be a bad thing. It would simply be a past experience that unfolded for oneself, as no other experience could have occurred in its place. One changed as the result of such an interaction with the other aspects of this reality, and such change brought forth this present moment. 
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Edited by fireworks_god (03/09/06 09:28 AM)
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I'm not sure if we are on the same lines of thought here. But this really underlines for me how much we are all really the same. Yourself is really just made up of how you view your self based on past experience. But this is not truly you, only your twisted view of you.
Really we are all the same right now.
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dorkus
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Good post.
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Re: Forgetting [Re: dorkus]
#5379529 - 03/08/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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if we are what we remember............
who is what we forget?
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"While having a memory is certainly a valuable asset to our mind, it is the manner in which we often use our memory that disrupts our present experience of reality."
Perhaps that is meant to do so; even if the memories make us unhappy, it enhances us in the long-run. Those without memories of their stupidities will never learn to overcome them.
The only disruption is when dissonance is caused by the unpleasantness of the memory contrasted with the pleasurable nature of the experience, which is why Homer keeps on drinking and drug addicts keep on keeping on. And in this case, what can you do? Change your mindset so that the memory is not so unpleasant (justification) or use your will power to overcome it. Most people seem to choose the former path.
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fireworks_god said:
While having a memory is certainly a valuable asset to our mind, it is the manner in which we often use our memory that disrupts our present experience of reality. This manner is to identity more with these memories, to define "who we are" through these memories, rather than to derive our sense of self from the direct perception of the self, which is presently unfolding as the culmination of who we are, right here, right now.
Peace.
What is your take on the subtle occurences we experience that mean nothing to us and tend not to remember; so therefore, they are forgotten almost as quickly as they surfaced. If the experience has no impact on our lives--it's easy to forget.
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I think the title of your thread is misleading
I don't think the memories we often refer to as "troubling" can ever be completely forgotten. instead we can change how subject perceives object, like you put so eloquently
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Re: Forgetting [Re: Cherk]
#5379844 - 03/09/06 12:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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We seem to only remember events that cause drastic changes in the brain, the releasing of chemicals into the body, we remember the feelings as if it was just the day before.
speaking of course as these are separate from "memory" of normal information.
Edited by TheMadConductor (03/09/06 12:03 AM)
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Re: Forgetting [Re: Ravus]
#5380592 - 03/09/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ravus said: Perhaps that is meant to do so; even if the memories make us unhappy, it enhances us in the long-run. Those without memories of their stupidities will never learn to overcome them.
I never state that memory is not beneficial to ourselves and our ability to transform ourselves within reality towards the specific ends we wish to pursue, first and foremost. My dispute does not involve the nature of our memories or the emotional conjurings that result. I am focusing more upon how we may tend to derive a sense of identity through our memories.
Analyzing the nature of situations that we have previously experienced, as we recall them, is not the problem. If anything, our memories should illustrate the fact that we are not defined by them, as our memories demonstrate change that we have went through, if we presently exist in a state that has advanced from that previous state.
I think it would be beneficial to a human being and their growth to not be emotionally affected by memories, or rather to experience the emotions and moods that involve such a memory, but to perceive that experience from a deeper, understanding awareness that is not affected, obstructed, or diminished by the recollection and its subsequent emotions. 
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michael_lifshitz said: Yourself is really just made up of how you view your self based on past experience. But this is not truly you, only your twisted view of you.
Exactly. Such a twisted, incomplete view of oneself is what I would personally refer to as an "illusory sense of self".
There is nothing disadvantageous about holding a sense of self. The problem occurs when one's sense of self takes the form of a mental definition created through past thoughts and experiences, instead of one's "sense of self" existing as a natural, direct perception of the act of being oneself.
The phrase "sense of self" illustrates it quite perfectly. Its a perception, an experience of oneself, instead of a limited, preconceived mental abstraction of who one is. The fact that we exist in a state of constant change from our continual interaction with reality implies that our self is being created in the moment, through our being (the act of living, perceiving, having experience, of course ), not by our mind. 
The fact remains that the mind is incapable of producing an accurate, complete represention of the culmination of our identity, and yet we experience ourselves as the culmination of all that has produced us as we presently are naturally. Our identity only exists in the present.
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Re: Forgetting [Re: silver22]
#5380635 - 03/09/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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silver22 said: What is your take on the subtle occurences we experience that mean nothing to us and tend not to remember; so therefore, they are forgotten almost as quickly as they surfaced. If the experience has no impact on our lives--it's easy to forget.
Each experience exists as a continuum of all experience. It is the image of yourself that your mind has created that is declaring that such an experience has had no impact on your life, and it is this image that is responsible for making the distinctions that seperate one's continual experience of life.
Each experience is equally valuable in terms of impacting our lives. One cannot remove one aspect of the chain of cause and effect and declare that it has had no impact on bringing you to this specific point. You could not have been brought to this point without it and its impact. 
Failure to create a limited, mental representation of a past event does not diminish that experience, its worth, or its effect on the course of your life. Impact is only measured in terms of one's illusory sense of self. 
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Re: Forgetting [Re: Cherk]
#5380638 - 03/09/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Smoker For Peace said: I don't think the memories we often refer to as "troubling" can ever be completely forgotten.
Have you ever heard of Alzheimer's disease?
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Cherk
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yes
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dorkus
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It's about ridding oneself of one's personal history. Castaneda talks alot about it.
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Re: Forgetting [Re: dorkus]
#5387636 - 03/10/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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He does indeed. I think it's about not coming from places, or going places, but just being here now. I think that's really what it all comes down to. Just be here, it's the only place you will ever be. I suppose.
Thanks for the thread fireworks god, it is an interesting topic.
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