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theuser
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Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;(
#5376982 - 03/08/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11726601/
Is just another story of scarey, bad things hidden behind a false idol. The idea of religion is harming our world and if you don't see that you are fucking blind.
I don't care who you are. It's bullshit and you KNOW it.
You all are keeping humanity from greatness by your primitive, fear driven, delusions.
/rant off.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: theuser]
#5377151 - 03/08/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is these people who are keeping humanity from greatness, or is it those people who suspossedly do understand, but yet choose to lash out at misguided people who need assistance instead of blame?
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: theuser]
#5377166 - 03/08/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I couldn't disagree more...
While I would not consider myself a religous person, I think the belief that there is something more or a higher power than us is EXACTLY what the world needs. You are using a relatively small example to describe ALL religions, and appearing very intolerant and unable to grasp any other opinion than yours in the process.
If science is your religion, then it is hardly any better than any other religion...what has science brought us? Nuclear weapons, Mass Media to dull the senses of the general populace, Ozone depletion...I could go on forever...Organized Religion in my opinion is not much better. So the answer must lie somewhere inbetween the two...
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Rono]
#5377207 - 03/08/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rono said: I think the belief that there is something more or a higher power than us is EXACTLY what the world needs.
Delusion and ignorance go hand-in-hand, and the delusion you describe is on a grand scale. I've never heard of delusion and/or ignorance as being beneficial. 
We need truth. Truth is exactly what the world needs, in order for ourselves to realize our situation and to better it. We don't begin to understand by holding unsubstantiated beliefs. 
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what has science brought us? Nuclear weapons, Mass Media to dull the senses of the general populace, Ozone depletion...
Science has not produced such. Our own ignorance/disregard for long-term cause and effect has produced the results that have sprung forth. I don't point to a gun and proclaim "Look what this gun has brought us! War! Murder! Death!".
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: theuser]
#5377236 - 03/08/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree, it is all bullshit.
Funny - I just made a similar post before I read this.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Rono]
#5377256 - 03/08/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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No we don't need that belief.
You think people can't handle the truth?
I mean which religion should I choose? Theres hundreds of them - then we can spend the rest of the time seperating ourselves and fighting over whose right! Hmmmmm....
Thats whats wrong with people in power - they feed people what they think they want to hear. Instead of giving people everything they need to make their own informed judgements.
People don't need false belief systems, they need to be told honestly and without bias, how the world is.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Ego Death]
#5377306 - 03/08/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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People don't need to be told shit. We all just need to think for ourselves and let everyone else do the same. It is when other people are thinking for us that these problems arise.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Grok]
#5377363 - 03/08/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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cilosyb said: People don't need to be told shit. We all just need to think for ourselves and let everyone else do the same. It is when other people are thinking for us that these problems arise.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Rono]
#5377749 - 03/08/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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'End of Faith'
I finished this not too long ago, very good read.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: theuser]
#5377782 - 03/08/06 02:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The idea of religion is harming our world and if you don't see that you are fucking blind.
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Rono
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5377819 - 03/08/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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How does something like Buddhism for example harm the world?
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: theuser]
#5377863 - 03/08/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Could this be an answer to the priestly abuse of children?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4748292.stm
Maybe not, it's not fair to other sub-humans.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Rono]
#5377871 - 03/08/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well Buddhism isn't really a religion. In fact it's called the religion of no religion.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: dblaney]
#5377958 - 03/08/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well personally I think pointing fingers and ridiculing others beliefs makes you no better then the religious nuts.
Your so sure of your answers and opinions, well so are they. When it comes to the "big picture", you're just as ignorant.
Prove to me there's no god. Prove to me there is.
Prove to me any choice we currently make on this planet matters at all in the end. War is bad...killing is bad and so forth. Prove to me we didn't standardize that long ago and forgot the option of "maybe it isn't".
All I'm saying is we know just as much as the religious nuts. Why are we so sure of our answers? Why are they so sure of their answers?
Why must we ridicule the opposite?
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
#5377988 - 03/08/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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So we need the truth huh? what is the truth about things that NO human will ever know? Your truth and my truth can be entirely different. I hate organized religion dont get me wrong and if you take only those people as religious then yes your statement makes sense. But if you in your infinite intelligence can see that someone can believe in God and NOT have an agenda then how can that be wrong? its just an idea.
Be mad at the humans who are sheep adn teh wolves that lead them astray, but do not be angry at the idea of God or the idea of something beyond the norm. I dont ask you to believe yourself, but only allow others the right to their own beliefs. God doesnt care how you worship, or what you call him. He doesnt even care if you consciencely admit his existince. And that is not how he judges, he judges by your acts, and works. How you treat people. Even people you dont exactly like or get along with. This is how poeple should look at each other but as many have been brainwashed by the church, there is little hope of that.
My point is dont hate God, Hate the people who twist his love.
Oh yea and BTW, Budda is as much of a religion as Christianity is, after all both preached the same virtures in man.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: theuser]
#5378123 - 03/08/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have no problem with religion or the majority of religious people. They is a select group of religious people who I do have a problem with, though, and those people are not only hindering the progress of mankind, but relations between non-religious and religious people.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Rono]
#5378162 - 03/08/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rono said: I couldn't disagree more...
While I would not consider myself a religous person, I think the belief that there is something more or a higher power than us is EXACTLY what the world needs. You are using a relatively small example to describe ALL religions, and appearing very intolerant and unable to grasp any other opinion than yours in the process.
If science is your religion, then it is hardly any better than any other religion...what has science brought us? Nuclear weapons, Mass Media to dull the senses of the general populace, Ozone depletion...I could go on forever...Organized Religion in my opinion is not much better. So the answer must lie somewhere inbetween the two...
Science brings us knowledge.
Greed, capitalism, hatred and nationalistic fury bring us war, pollution and environmental damage.
Science brings us more knowledge to help us fix our fuck-ups.
Religion, on the other hand, does what? I concede that it probably used to be helpful for human survival when we were living in tribes and the most tightly-knit, courageous tribes spread more with the use of rituals, religion, etc., but that is a relic from another dead age.
How can knowledge be a religion? Doesn't a religion require blind faith, while science is the exact antithesis of blind faith?
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: blaze2]
#5378206 - 03/08/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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blaze2 said: My point is dont hate God, Hate the people who twist his love.
Oh yea and BTW, Budda is as much of a religion as Christianity is, after all both preached the same virtures in man.
I think the distinction is more about theist belief vs pantheist belief. Xianity is about theism, and Buddhism is a form of pantheism.
And they definitely do NOT teach the same values. The bible is a book so full of utter crap, contradictions, and evil as much as it is good that one can "prove" any point one wants to with it. Half that book (including NT stuff, though the OT is, admittedly, more evil-concentrated) is full of "holy" slaughter and retardism.
My problem with religion, especially theism (Which Xianity is), is that it dulls the critical thinking faculty. It encourages faith, which is a bunk way of "knowing" anything. This is a physical world, and those that don't subscribe to a physical view of it will be very much out of synch with how it actually is.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Rono]
#5378452 - 03/08/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Religion is the cause of a lot of shit, but you can't generalize that to individuals.
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If science is your religion, then it is hardly any better than any other religion...what has science brought us? Nuclear weapons, Mass Media to dull the senses of the general populace, Ozone depletion...I could go on forever...Organized Religion in my opinion is not much better. So the answer must lie somewhere inbetween the two...
If science is your religion, you don't understand science.
Science has given us a lot of things that can be used in an evil way, but I see way more positive things. Electricity, computers, internet, cameras, medicine, surgery, cars, airplanes, movies, plastic, etc, etc, etc. You can live twice as long due to science. You have free time to post here or do other things you like due to science. You have the time, information and background to think about this due to science.
Would you like to live in a world without all things that are a direct cause of science?
Would you like to live in a world without all things that are a direct cause of religions?
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Annom]
#5378538 - 03/08/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Would you like to live in a world without all things that are a direct cause of science?
Would you like to live in a world without all things that are a direct cause of religions?
My answer to both questions is "no"...hence my my statement..."So the answer must lie somewhere inbetween the two..."
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Rono]
#5378600 - 03/08/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh yea and BTW, Budda is as much of a religion as Christianity is, after all both preached the same virtures in man.
why buddhism isn't a religion per se is because there is no central deity, there is no 'god'. buddha was just a man, and is admired for reaching enlightenment and teaching others. but he is not viewed as a god.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: bobjones]
#5380327 - 03/09/06 06:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Skepticism and criticism is accepted in Buddhism. If you're a skeptical critic Christian then you're an oxymoron.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: psyka]
#5381506 - 03/09/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Q: Has no religion, in your estimation, ever offered anything of constructive value to human life?
A: Qua religion, no ? in the sense of blind belief, belief unsupported by, or contrary to, the facts of reality and the conclusion of reason. Faith, as such, is extremely detrimental to human life: it is the negation of reason. But you must remember that religion is an early form of philosophy, that the first attempts to explain the universe, to give a coherent frame of reference to man?s life and code of moral values, were made by religion, before man graduated or developed enough to have philosophy. And, as philosophies, some religions have very valuable moral points. They may have a good influence or proper principles to inculcate, but in a very contradictory context and, on a very?how shall I say it??dangerous or malevolent base: on the ground of faith. -Ayn Rand
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: psyka]
#5381510 - 03/09/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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psyka said: Skepticism and criticism is accepted in Buddhism. If you're a skeptical critic Christian then you're an oxymoron.
Where do you come up with this shit?
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Silversoul]
#5383784 - 03/10/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Faith and skepticism don't get along. If you put them together in the same room, something is going to get broken.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5383818 - 03/10/06 12:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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My point is that skepticism is no less compatible with Christianity than it is with Buddhism.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: psyka]
#5384180 - 03/10/06 02:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's no such thing as an oxymoron.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Basilides]
#5384395 - 03/10/06 03:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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buddhism is a religion, at least it fits under the definition of religion given in my dictionary. similarly if i look up buddhism it is described as an "asian religion or philosophy". i think the idea that buddhism is not a religion springs from the western cocnept of religion as something you do on sundays, seperate from normal life. in reality, many cultures have lived without even having a concept of "religion". to them there was simply culture and their "religious beliefs" were simply taken as part of their cultural reality. so i personally don't feel that the fact buddha chose not to use to concept of "God" to formulate his teaching makes buddhism any less of a religion. for example, would taoism sudddenly become a religion if tao was referred as god instead?
another way of looking at it is that buddhism, toaism, hinduism and christianity are all spiritual teachings which are more similar then they are different.
on to the question of whether scepticism is more acceptable in buddhism. i think this idea stems from the typical westerner's view of christianity in which there is very little room for questions and new interpretations. to such a person, buddhism seems like a refreshing breath of fresh air. here is a religion in which you are encouraged to seek a higher understanding. now, if we assume that like buddha, jesus wanted us to follow his example rather than worship him we can see that this is only so because buddhas inner message has been preverted less than jesus's. only because orthodox christianity has chosen a rigid man made interpretation and elevatedit to unquestionable truth do we see such fundmentalism and unwillingness to look beyond accepted beliefs in those who claim to be jesus's followers. in other words, it is only because buddhism has done a better job in the department of public relations in the west that it appears that scepticism is more accepted. there is nothing inherent about christianity that says a christian needs to leave their logical mind behind anymore than a buddhist.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Deviate]
#5384448 - 03/10/06 05:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: fresh313]
#5384455 - 03/10/06 05:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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your specific religion is not important...that you have faith in it is.
on this plane of existence, the individual is the most powerful force known to definitely exist.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Kaleidoscope]
#5384464 - 03/10/06 05:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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im god?! have faith in myself?!
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Kaleidoscope]
#5384729 - 03/10/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kaleidoscope said: on this plane of existence, the individual is the most powerful force known to definitely exist.
Thus, the culmination of the interactions of a great variety of individuals, known as society, is even more powerful than the force of a single individual, as it is a great deal of individuals.
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your specific religion is not important...that you have faith in it is.
Elaborate, as I do not understand what exactly this point is or what it pertains to.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: fireworks_god]
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I think he was refering to the fact that all religions have the same basic beliefs.
God dosent care if your a Christian, Muslim or Budhist(sp?)....
as long as you understand the message these prophets were trying to send
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: niteowl]
#5385016 - 03/10/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Understanding doesn't seem to be the issue, first and foremost. The importance (of what? ...it is never addressed) depends on the degree of faith that one holds, regardless of the actual belief. That is how I interpreted his statement. 
From what I have gathered concerning the statement that it matters not what you believe, as long as you have faith in that belief, it doesn't matter if you murder yourself in order to access a spaceship traveling with a comet that is passing by; what matters is that you had faith in such. 
I would personally assert that it matters not what you have faith in, as long as you do not hold beliefs that are not substantiated. 
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: bobjones]
#5385053 - 03/10/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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bobjones said: why buddhism isn't a religion per se is because there is no central deity, there is no 'god'. buddha was just a man, and is admired for reaching enlightenment and teaching others. but he is not viewed as a god.
Well said.
This is the primary reason I clash so much with "good christians".
They believe their "buddha" is God
They focus too much on pushing their "Jesus IS God" theory and cant see the true meaning of why Christ came here
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: fireworks_god]
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From what I have gathered concerning the statement that it matters not what you believe, as long as you have faith in that belief, it doesn't matter if you murder yourself in order to access a spaceship traveling with a comet that is passing by; what matters is that you had faith in such.
Even in the most extreme religious views, as long as they arent trying to push themself upon me, why should we care. They lead a relativly peacefull life and then decided to end their life. No one was forced to do anything against their will.
What do we care if a bunch of "religious nut jobs" kill themself.
They are much better, IMO, than the "religious nut jobs" that kill or condemn other people in the name of their religious beliefs.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: niteowl]
#5385179 - 03/10/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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niteowl said: Even in the most extreme religious views, as long as they arent trying to push themself upon me, why should we care. They lead a relativly peacefull life and then decided to end their life. No one was forced to do anything against their will.
But the issue up for discussion is regarding that it is important to have faith in a belief, without much/any emphasis on what the belief actually is. Why is it important? Important in terms of what?
And, of course, to address your statement, even if one does not notice any direct, negative effect that such a person, with their extreme religious views, has on yourself or others, the fact remains that there is an effect. We interact, and we change as a result. Also, promotion of ridiculuous beliefs that eventually result in suicide under the assertion that it is faith itself that is important and that it doesn't effect others usually doesn't produce good results. 
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: bobjones]
#5385412 - 03/10/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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bobjones said: why buddhism isn't a religion per se is because there is no central deity, there is no 'god'. buddha was just a man, and is admired for reaching enlightenment and teaching others. but he is not viewed as a god.
Belief in a deity is not necessary for a religion. Buddhism does have metaphysical views about an afterlife, as well as an ultimate reality, which might as well be called god.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Silversoul]
#5385600 - 03/10/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Paradigm said: Buddhism does have metaphysical views about an afterlife, as well as an ultimate reality, which might as well be called god.
We might as well refer to everything as God. 
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: fireworks_god]
#5385996 - 03/10/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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the point is that if you have a relatively equivalent concept in 2 different religions its silly to assert that they are completely different because they are called by different names. i don't understand the ridiculous amount of opposition to the word "God" on this board. this is what the ulimate reality has traditionally been called by many religions, so deal with it.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: fireworks_god]
#5394483 - 03/13/06 07:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said: But the issue up for discussion is regarding that it is important to have faith in a belief, without much/any emphasis on what the belief actually is. Why is it important? Important in terms of what?
It dosent matter what the belief system is. Regardless of odd how you or I may view them. As long as it has relevance to the person who believes it
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Also, promotion of ridiculuous beliefs that eventually result in suicide under the assertion that it is faith itself that is important and that it doesn't effect others usually doesn't produce good results.
I view the results of these "Suicide Cults" as evolution in progress.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: theuser]
#5394550 - 03/13/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, you are taking a small fragment of the most spread religion in the world and classifying it as the whole. Do you have any clue as to what you are saying before you go on your little rants?
You have no idea what Christianity is, and will always live in your pathetic world of Atheism.
Do you think I seek God out of fear? I got no fear baby, you are just too dense to acknowledge the truth.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Fospher]
#5394585 - 03/13/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You scold theolduser for criticizing others' beliefs, and then call atheism "pathetic," all in the same post.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Basilides]
#5396798 - 03/13/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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St_Valentinus said: There's no such thing as an oxymoron.
What about "black people"
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: it stars saddam]
#5396995 - 03/13/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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itstarssaddam said: You scold theolduser for criticizing others' beliefs, and then call atheism "pathetic," all in the same post.
Good parroting, however you are still misquoting me.
I didnt tell him off because he was critical of another's mindset, but because he took a small segment of a group and referred that small group's opinions as the whole's. That's like me doing a survey on how the mySpace has changed people's lives in some third world African country.
Christianity is the most widespread religion throughout the world. He found some pederasts, and is trying to somehow convey that those people represent the Church's beliefs?
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Redstorm]
#5423725 - 03/20/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: I have no problem with religion or the majority of religious people. They is a select group of religious people who I do have a problem with, though, and those people are not only hindering the progress of mankind, but relations between non-religious and religious people.
Exactly.
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