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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Rono]
    #5378600 - 03/08/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Oh yea and BTW, Budda is as much of a religion as Christianity is, after all both preached the same virtures in man.




why buddhism isn't a religion per se is because there is no central deity, there is no 'god'. buddha was just a man, and is admired for reaching enlightenment and teaching others. but he is not viewed as a god.


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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: bobjones]
    #5380327 - 03/09/06 06:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Skepticism and criticism is accepted in Buddhism. If you're a skeptical critic Christian then you're an oxymoron.


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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: psyka]
    #5381506 - 03/09/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Q: Has no religion, in your estimation, ever offered anything of constructive value to human life?

A: Qua religion, no ? in the sense of blind belief, belief unsupported by, or contrary to, the facts of reality and the conclusion of reason. Faith, as such, is extremely detrimental to human life: it is the negation of reason. But you must remember that religion is an early form of philosophy, that the first attempts to explain the universe, to give a coherent frame of reference to man?s life and code of moral values, were made by religion, before man graduated or developed enough to have philosophy. And, as philosophies, some religions have very valuable moral points. They may have a good influence or proper principles to inculcate, but in a very contradictory context and, on a very?how shall I say it??dangerous or malevolent base: on the ground of faith.
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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: psyka]
    #5381510 - 03/09/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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psyka said:
Skepticism and criticism is accepted in Buddhism. If you're a skeptical critic Christian then you're an oxymoron.



Where do you come up with this shit?


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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Silversoul]
    #5383784 - 03/10/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Faith and skepticism don't get along. If you put them together in the same room, something is going to get broken.


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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5383818 - 03/10/06 12:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My point is that skepticism is no less compatible with Christianity than it is with Buddhism.


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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: psyka]
    #5384180 - 03/10/06 02:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

There's no such thing as an oxymoron.


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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Basilides]
    #5384395 - 03/10/06 03:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

buddhism is a religion, at least it fits under the definition of religion given in my dictionary. similarly if i look up buddhism it is described as an "asian religion or philosophy". i think the idea that buddhism is not a religion springs from the western cocnept of religion as something you do on sundays, seperate from normal life. in reality, many cultures have lived without even having a concept of "religion". to them there was simply culture and their "religious beliefs" were simply taken as part of their cultural reality. so i personally don't feel that the fact buddha chose not to use to concept of "God" to formulate his teaching makes buddhism any less of a religion. for example, would taoism sudddenly become a religion if tao was referred as god instead?

another way of looking at it is that buddhism, toaism, hinduism and christianity are all spiritual teachings which are more similar then they are different.

on to the question of whether scepticism is more acceptable in buddhism. i think this idea stems from the typical westerner's view of christianity in which there is very little room for questions and new interpretations. to such a person, buddhism seems like a refreshing breath of fresh air. here is a religion in which you are encouraged to seek a higher understanding. now, if we assume that like buddha, jesus wanted us to follow his example rather than worship him we can see that this is only so because buddhas inner message has been preverted less than jesus's. only because orthodox christianity has chosen a rigid man made interpretation and elevatedit to unquestionable truth do we see such fundmentalism and unwillingness to look beyond accepted beliefs in those who claim to be jesus's followers. in other words, it is only because buddhism has done a better job in the department of public relations in the west that it appears that scepticism is more accepted. there is nothing inherent about christianity that says a christian needs to leave their logical mind behind anymore than a buddhist.


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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Deviate]
    #5384448 - 03/10/06 05:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: fresh313]
    #5384455 - 03/10/06 05:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

your specific religion is not important...that you have faith in it is.


on this plane of existence, the individual is the most powerful force known to definitely exist.


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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5384464 - 03/10/06 05:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

im god?! have faith in myself?!


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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5384729 - 03/10/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Kaleidoscope said:
on this plane of existence, the individual is the most powerful force known to definitely exist.




Thus, the culmination of the interactions of a great variety of individuals, known as society, is even more powerful than the force of a single individual, as it is a great deal of individuals.

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your specific religion is not important...that you have faith in it is.





Elaborate, as I do not understand what exactly this point is or what it pertains to.

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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5385001 - 03/10/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think he was refering to the fact that all religions have the same basic beliefs.

God dosent care if your a Christian, Muslim or Budhist(sp?)....

as long as you understand the message these prophets were trying to send


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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: niteowl]
    #5385016 - 03/10/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Understanding doesn't seem to be the issue, first and foremost. The importance (of what? ...it is never addressed) depends on the degree of faith that one holds, regardless of the actual belief. That is how I interpreted his statement. :grin:

From what I have gathered concerning the statement that it matters not what you believe, as long as you have faith in that belief, it doesn't matter if you murder yourself in order to access a spaceship traveling with a comet that is passing by; what matters is that you had faith in such. :wtf:

I would personally assert that it matters not what you have faith in, as long as you do not hold beliefs that are not substantiated. :lol:

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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: bobjones]
    #5385053 - 03/10/06 10:34 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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bobjones said:
why buddhism isn't a religion per se is because there is no central deity, there is no 'god'. buddha was just a man, and is admired for reaching enlightenment and teaching others. but he is not viewed as a god.




Well said.

This is the primary reason I clash so much with "good christians".

They believe their "buddha" is God

They focus too much on pushing their "Jesus IS God" theory and cant see the true meaning of why Christ came here :shake:


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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5385122 - 03/10/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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From what I have gathered concerning the statement that it matters not what you believe, as long as you have faith in that belief, it doesn't matter if you murder yourself in order to access a spaceship traveling with a comet that is passing by; what matters is that you had faith in such.




Even in the most extreme religious views, as long as they arent trying to push themself upon me, why should we care. They lead a relativly peacefull life and then decided to end their life. No one was forced to do anything against their will.

What do we care if a bunch of "religious nut jobs" kill themself.





They are much better, IMO, than the "religious nut jobs" that kill or condemn other people in the name of their religious beliefs.


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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: niteowl]
    #5385179 - 03/10/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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niteowl said:
Even in the most extreme religious views, as long as they arent trying to push themself upon me, why should we care. They lead a relativly peacefull life and then decided to end their life. No one was forced to do anything against their will.




But the issue up for discussion is regarding that it is important to have faith in a belief, without much/any emphasis on what the belief actually is. Why is it important? Important in terms of what?

And, of course, to address your statement, even if one does not notice any direct, negative effect that such a person, with their extreme religious views, has on yourself or others, the fact remains that there is an effect. We interact, and we change as a result. Also, promotion of ridiculuous beliefs that eventually result in suicide under the assertion that it is faith itself that is important and that it doesn't effect others usually doesn't produce good results. :smirk:

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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: bobjones]
    #5385412 - 03/10/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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bobjones said:
why buddhism isn't a religion per se is because there is no central deity, there is no 'god'. buddha was just a man, and is admired for reaching enlightenment and teaching others. but he is not viewed as a god.



Belief in a deity is not necessary for a religion. Buddhism does have metaphysical views about an afterlife, as well as an ultimate reality, which might as well be called god.


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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: Silversoul]
    #5385600 - 03/10/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
Buddhism does have metaphysical views about an afterlife, as well as an ultimate reality, which might as well be called god.




We might as well refer to everything as God. :smirk:

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Re: Hey you religios nut jobs, stop fucking things up please. ;( [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5385996 - 03/10/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

the point is that if you have a relatively equivalent concept in 2 different religions its silly to assert that they are completely different because they are called by different names. i don't understand the ridiculous amount of opposition to the word "God" on this board. this is what the ulimate reality has traditionally been called by many religions, so deal with it.


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