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Group Meditation
#5376861 - 03/08/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Because its a group, its exponentially more powerful than the same number scattered about. And the analogy is, if you have three speakers scattered in a house, each playing the same volume, you hear that volume as you go from room to room. But if you put those three speakers side by side, and if the sign waves are in sync, you'll have the equivalent of nine speakers of volume." -David Lynch
Does anybody have any experience with group meditation? Does it really take the experience deeper and make it more intense?
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the analogy refers to an actual law in physics, called the Inverse Square Law.
"Any point source which spreads its influence equally in all directions without a limit to its range will obey the inverse square law."
being able to reproduce this with meditation would prove to be difficult, because there really is no way to make an external measurement of anything... you can analyze brain waves, but that would be internal, you could measure heat, but that does not apply to the inverse square law
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Re: Group Meditation [Re: kotik]
#5379536 - 03/08/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yes it does.
we did a meditation in yoga the other day.......
it was much more effective than my meditations while at home, aside from my sleep meditations and/or meditations while high.
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For me, group meditation was not more deeper/intense. I had a hard time tuning out other peoples breathing and focusing on my own. Group meditation was also be more distracting when someone coughed, burped, sneezed, etc.; my train of thought/concentration/relaxation got interrupted every time.
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Re: Group Meditation [Re: silver22]
#5384777 - 03/10/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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when you are a little bit more advanced in meditation and don't get disturbed by coughs etc it will definitely be much easier to keep your concentration and it will be more powerful...
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Re: Group Meditation [Re: kotik]
#5384839 - 03/10/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'm not sure if there really is a way to make an external measurement of a meditation's intensity, but what is for sure is that one can personally say if yes or no the meditation becomes more powerful. Two people have said yes so far...
It would really be interesting though to find out howcome one's state of meditation is intensified when other meditators are nearby.
Any hypothesis?
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Re: Group Meditation [Re: Kamek]
#5384843 - 03/10/06 09:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kamek said: ...it will be more powerful...
Why will it be more powerful? How is it more powerful?
I wonder if the brainwaves of students, sitting in class, learning mathematics, sync up/harmonize, thus advancing their studies and making their learning more powerful.
It certainly explains the wide range of test scores, from aces to f's, eh? 
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I went to a deeksha (satsang) where we meditated for hours (both walking and sitting on intervals). The experience itself didn't feel deeper for me, but the energy felt very different. Very pure, light and high. For days afterwards I couldn't stop smiling, and sometimes just started laughing out loud for no reason. This included healing where we sat meditating in a circle holding hands. Very inspirational.
So I believe Lynch.
I have a friend who I used to meditate together with while smoking hashish a year ago. We seldom spoke very much, just sat there meditating and lighted up when intensity faded. It is very different from meditating and smoking alone. This friend had a very silent mind, and I could feel us feeding off eachothers energies. The thoughts that come up are different when I meditate with different persons. If I smoke with people who just sit around thinking without trying to hold focus, my own focus is so much harder to maintain.
I think the reason can be found in brainwaves, frequencies.
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Re: Group Meditation [Re: dorkus]
#5388580 - 03/11/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think group meditations are going to get you more in synch with the people around you rather than your own personal universe like when alone.
I have not done group meditations...but in group tripping, all the psychic phenomena occured between the people there only. When tripping alone, I can connect with far away/higher things.
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Yes it does make it more intense. At the place where I go to meditate, sometimes there are many people and sometimes there are only two or three people attending, and I've noticed when there are many of us, the practice is easier and it's possible to go deeper into the state than when there are few participating. I don't know whether it's pheromones, group psychology, syncing brainwaves or the qi swirling around each participant but the effect is very noticable and far stronger that I expected it to be when hearing about it.
I've had people from a different group who met in people's homes tell me that when they meditate, their small children and even their dogs go quiet and relax deeply.
Master Taisen Deshimaru compared it to a fire. When there is only one log burning in the fireplace, the fire is weak, but when there are many you have a roaring fire.
It's a mystery why, but a still mind really does radiate that influence to it's surroundings, and many still minds together can influence eachother in a very positive way.
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Re: Group Meditation [Re: LazyCrash]
#5391013 - 03/12/06 03:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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LazyCrash said: I think group meditations are going to get you more in synch with the people around you rather than your own personal universe like when alone.
I think openly embracing interactions with each other, completely accepting each other as though they were ourselves, and being absolutely present, without mental obstructions, within the same space and time as each other is more capable of bringing ourselves to be "in synch" with each other than sitting in the same room, eyes closed, meditating at the same time will accomplish.
It is a question of relating to each other; actively establishing a relationship, and becoming directly involved in each other's lives would seem to be more capable of bringing people to synch up than pursuing meditation at the same time, at the same place.
Not to state that such meditation together shouldn't be pursued, simply that it is merely one aspect of developing such a relationship. The more we interact, the more we develop ourselves in relation to each other... 
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Re: Group Meditation [Re: koppie]
#5391020 - 03/12/06 03:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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koppie said: I don't know whether it's pheromones, group psychology, syncing brainwaves or the qi swirling around each participant....
Or placebo.... 
But perhaps that is covered by "group psychology". Synching brainwaves or pheromones are explanations that can be scientifically verifed and tested. I will look into whether or not any sort of research has been done with this.
I certainly am not stating that it couldn't be any of these things. In fact, synching brainwaves seems rather plausible, but something I cannot personally determine or examine. I will research! 
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Quote:
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Kamek said: ...it will be more powerful...
Why will it be more powerful? How is it more powerful?
I wonder if the brainwaves of students, sitting in class, learning mathematics, sync up/harmonize, thus advancing their studies and making their learning more powerful.
It certainly explains the wide range of test scores, from aces to f's, eh? 
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I don't think you can compare students doing a math test with people meditating. When you're making a math test your brain is working very hard, the opposite of meditation... As has been said before i think when people's minds are in meditation they are synchronized or something... When i said more powerful i didn't mean the meditation is deeper than normally, but i feel a sort of link with the people meditating around me which enhances the quality of the experience in some way...
This is kinda hard to explain so i suggest you give it a go yourself...
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Re: Group Meditation [Re: Kamek]
#5392189 - 03/12/06 02:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the input everyone. I really have to give group meditation a try in order to see for myself, but I can easily imagine how being around other people who are experiencing a transcendent state of mind can intensify your own transcendent experience.
Here's a hypothesis for this phenomena:
Today physicians are actively working on establishing a "theory of everything", or the Unified Field theory, which can be described as the fundamental and unified force of the universe. I'd say that this field is a field of consciousness. And given how the brain is in maximum orderliness and is fully and totally utilized during meditation, then I'd also say that the meditating mind gains direct access to the unified field, which results as something that can be described as "pure consciousness".
When a number of people get together and experience this "fourth state of consciousness" (after the waking, sleeping and dreaming state), the collective access to the unified field generates powerful waves of unity which can be felt by all the participants of the meditating group. The experience is more powerful than when done individually because of the Inverse Square Law mentioned above by Kotik.
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