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The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!!
#5376662 - 03/08/06 05:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dutch Muslims Face Burqa Ban
By Alexandra Hudson Reuters AMSTERDAM -- If the Netherlands becomes the first European country to ban the burqa and other Muslim face veils this month, Hope says she'll resort to wearing a surgical mask to dress in accordance with her religious beliefs.
"I'll wear one of those things they wore during the SARS epidemic if I have to," said the Dutch-born Muslim, one of about 50 women in the Netherlands who wear the head-to-toe burqa or the niqab, a face veil that conceals everything but the eyes.
"I'm very practical," the 22-year-old added.
Last December, parliament voted to forbid women from wearing the burqa or any Muslim face coverings in public, justifying the move in part as a security measure.
The Cabinet is awaiting the results of a study into the legality of such a ban under European human rights laws before making its final decision. The results are expected in the second half of this month.
"This is an enormous victory for traditional Dutch decency," said Geert Wilders, the populist member of parliament who first proposed the burqa ban, after hearing parliament had backed it.
"The burqa is hostile to women and medieval. For a woman to walk around on the streets completely covered is an insult to everyone who believes in equal rights."
The Dutch may have been among the first to legalize cannabis, prostitution and euthanasia -- earning them a reputation for tolerance -- but they are now in the process of imposing some of Europe's toughest entry and integration laws.
Social and religious tensions have escalated in recent years, exacerbated by the murder of columnist and director Theo van Gogh by a Dutch-Moroccan militant in 2004 after he made a film accusing Islam of condoning violence against women.
His murder, and that of anti-immigration populist Pim Fortuyn two years earlier, deeply unsettled the country and provoked an anti-Muslim backlash, as well as much soul-searching about the makeup and cohesion of Dutch society.
Famile Arslan, a Dutch-Muslim lawyer, believes a ban would only reinforce today's polarized climate, and prompt more women to wear the niqab as a form of protest.
"We are very scared that what starts with a ban on the burqa will end with a ban on the hijab," she said, referring to the Muslim headscarf worn by thousands in the Netherlands.
"A country once known for its tolerance is now becoming known for its ignorance," she added.
About a third of the country's 1 million Muslims have Moroccan ancestry, while Dutch Turks form another sizeable community.
The Netherlands would be the first European state to impose a countrywide ban on Islamic face coverings, though other countries have already outlawed them in specific places.
In 2004, France controversially banned overt religious symbols such as Muslim headscarves, large Christian crosses and Jewish skullcaps from schools, arguing they were contrary to its separation of church and state.
In the same year, the Belgian town of Maaseik banned burqas by adapting existing laws that require people to be readily identifiable in public.
Wilders, the member of parliament, who lives under heavy guard after death threats for his criticism of radical Islam, argues a ban on the burqa will support moderate Muslims and boost their wider integration, in addition to removing a security risk.
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5376923 - 03/08/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I doubt the moderate Muslims will care. But we might get a suicide attack or two from the nutcase group.
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5379374 - 03/08/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think that's a bit outrageous.
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: wilshire]
#5379590 - 03/08/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you out-law clothing, only outlaws will wear clothing. Scary.
On a more serious note, that's totally fucked up. Boo for the Dutch.
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: unbeliever]
#5380230 - 03/09/06 04:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"The burqa is hostile to women and medieval. For a woman to walk around on the streets completely covered is an insult to everyone who believes in equal rights."
We will not let you wear what you want to wear in order to protect your right to be equal with everybody else.
Wow, did somebody go to the George W. Bush school of politics?
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"A country once known for its tolerance is now becoming known for its ignorance," she added.
A bit more polite than my statement, but pretty much the same thought...
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Seuss]
#5380372 - 03/09/06 07:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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This really suprised me, coming from the holiest of holy socialistic states.....
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5381535 - 03/09/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: This really suprised me, coming from the holiest of holy socialistic states.....
While the Netherlands is certainly more "socialist" than the US, it is not even close to any of the Skandinavian countries. It is known for its liberal social policies, though.
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Seuss]
#5381567 - 03/09/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Seuss said:
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"The burqa is hostile to women and medieval. For a woman to walk around on the streets completely covered is an insult to everyone who believes in equal rights."
We will not let you wear what you want to wear in order to protect your right to be equal with everybody else.
I noticed that as well. Such a contradiction.
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Twirling]
#5381642 - 03/09/06 02:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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As far as i know the law hasn't been created yet but if it is going to happen i have to say i think it's a very bad idea... I have noticed lately that some people can say some fucked up things and won't meet much resistance. I hope that things will change for the better sometime soon because this society really needs to relax a bit...
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5381921 - 03/09/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ill trade my burqa for a spliff any day...
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Annapurna1]
#5384343 - 03/10/06 03:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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> ill trade my burqa for a spliff any day...
Agree, but I won't trade my right to decide what clothing I wear for a spliff. Talk about micromanagement from the government... I can dress myself, thank you very much... I don't need somebody else to decide what clothing is proper and what clothing is a medieval slap in the face to the equal rights movement.
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5384803 - 03/10/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The burqa is hostile to women
it's kinda ironic that this is a reason a lot of americans give for supporting prohibitions on erotic dancing, pornography, and prostitution, yet these things are much less restricted in the netherlands where they've banned the burqa that is completely legal here in the US.
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5384921 - 03/10/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: This really suprised me, coming from the holiest of holy socialistic states.....
Umm... whatever else you can call the Netherlands, it certainly ain't socialist. They're the ultimate capitalists; it's all free trade this, free trade that... hell, they're even into a free trade in cannabis and mushrooms.
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: TLG]
#5385733 - 03/10/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I stand corrected, however, Paradigm stated it correctly. Compared to the USA the Dutch have socialistic policies that we would not touch with a tenfoot pole.
It doesnt however, take away, how hypocritical this governmnet is.......
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5386203 - 03/10/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I disagree with the law but it's easy to see where they're coming from considering how much non-conforming immigration has dampened traditional dutch heritage. But such is life, change is inevitable.
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Cherk]
#5387180 - 03/10/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think that the USA should make Mexicans not wear sombreros.....
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5387268 - 03/10/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ironic how Theo van Gogh makes a movie saying muslims are violent, and they're so offended that he would think such a far-fetched thing.... that they kill him.
Yeah, ok.
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5387706 - 03/10/06 11:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: I think that the USA should make Mexicans not wear sombreros.....
Having lived in California my whole life, I've seen lots of Mexicans, but the only ones I've seen wearing sombreros were guitar players at fancy Mexican restaurants.
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: Silversoul]
#5388530 - 03/11/06 08:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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-------------------- “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”
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Re: The Dutch, how compassionate!!!!!!!!!!!! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5392681 - 03/12/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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This lean mean deportation machine is our minister of Integration and Immigration. She once vented that it should be outlawed to speak anything but Dutch on the streets.
She's quite horrible and responsible for much inhumane policy.
Don't take current dutch policy as representative for the people of holland because barely 20% would vote on this rightwing coalition should elections come around.
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