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Re: PF bfr verm produces week mushrooms [Re: coda]
    #5378861 - 03/08/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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coda said:
Hippie, im surprised, of all people you should know that manure has a higher nitrogen content then basic substrates.





Dung contains more nitrogen than brown rice, yes.

Dry cow dung containing 10% of water has the following composition: (source, PDF)

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Moisture 	Organic material	N	P2O3	K2O
0.10 0.860 0.023 0.012 0.006



0.023(2.3 %) Nitrogen is equivalent to 14.6 % protein (source) .

Brown rice contains 'only' 8 % protein.

When dung is prepared for use as mushroom substrate though, much of the nitrogen gets washed out during the leeching and the subsequent pasteurization in hot water.
It is difficult to give an exact number on how much this is, but the nitrogen content of dung could diminish considerably.

BRF mushrooms have always worked for me, as have mushrooms grown on other substrates.

The most potent mushrooms, the woodlovers, grow on subtrates with least nitrogen (wood, less than 0.5% nitrogen), food for thought...


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Re: PF bfr verm produces week mushrooms [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5378883 - 03/08/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i've created another poll
potency poll
to survey the growers on this specific issue.
feel free to come vote
but one must be logged in to vote, i think..

Quote:

why you think, in mycological terms, that PF cakes produce mushrooms just as potent as horse manure or compost.



a simple answer actually.
i've eaten plenty of all kinds.
i've tested my friends to see.
i'd bet money no one can reliably
tell in a double blind experiment
which shrooms were grown on which substrate.
i've read thousands of reports in 5 years of running topia,
and thousands more here and on usenet/adm
and i know damn good and well enough
that cake-grown shrooms have sent many many people
sky high into orbit, trippin' wise.
i'm no expert of the nitrogen uptake of cubensis
and i doubt anyone is,
proly equally few out there scientifically testing
horseshit for special properties either.
a poll is a survey,
a consensus of many growers.
that's the best evidence we have available.


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Re: PF bfr verm produces week mushrooms [Re: Anno]
    #5378890 - 03/08/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Anno said:
...BRF mushrooms have always worked for me, as have mushrooms grown on other substrates...




thank you, anno.


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Re: PF bfr verm produces week mushrooms [Re: Hippie3]
    #5379754 - 03/08/06 11:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well i have eatin shrooms from just about any substrate imaginal and all got me grillin. so i do not think there is a supior substrate as far as potency goes. there are somany other factors to consider beyond just the substrate.


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Re: PF bfr verm produces week mushrooms [Re: Mycophreek423]
    #5384292 - 03/10/06 03:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hippi3
yo poll
is convincing
ill try rice again maybe
but its still hard to belive
cause my bfr musshies are weak
I once ate whole huge straphorias in huautla
that where surprizingly weak


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Re: PF bfr verm produces week mushrooms [Re: nice]
    #5384511 - 03/10/06 06:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

have no fear,
they won't be weak every time,
not by far.
try a different strain.
hell, move on to grains/straw/manures too
i know many even who use
brf to spawn manure/straw,
it's flexible.

so if i use brf to spawn horse poo
what then ?
potent or weak ?
:lol:


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Re: PF bfr verm produces week mushrooms [Re: Hippie3]
    #5384525 - 03/10/06 06:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well if one were to follow the assumption that hpoo increases potency, then they'd be more potent. The substrate used as the spawn medium would have no effect, considering spawn is just a means used to propogate the live mycelium onto the bulk substrate. Especially if you use a high bulk to spawn ratio like 5:1 or higher.


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Re: PF bfr verm produces week mushrooms [Re: strangladesh]
    #5475902 - 04/03/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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strangladesh said:
its not the substrait check your drying tek. excessive blueness=bad
quick dry then with low heat..



Quote:

FungusMan said:
When I did brf, 3 grams knocked me on my ass.7 took me to another world. Prolly the way you harvested/dried.




I think these guys were right. No offense, but i think you other guys overthought this one and forgot the basics. Remember the intial post mentioned excessive bluing?? I know that if i've done my babies right then they're beautiful crackers with just a trace of blue. And i'm thinkg maybe if his drying process created excessive bluing, then wouldn't the overheating lower the psylocibin content? What IS your drying process?


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Re: PF bfr verm produces week mushrooms [Re: Birthbytongue]
    #5476662 - 04/03/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ive grown lots of BRF shrooms. Ive never had a problem with potentcy. I grew once with WBS(fluke with fractional ster.) i took about 4grams and was so freaked out i couldnt handle family guy.
i took BRF shrooms at ozfest and was blown away.
its all about setting and mindset IMO.

of course shrooms grown using hpoo as spawn are GOING to be hella more potent. I have well over 100lbs of shit leeching now... weeeeee


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