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how much music do you have?
    #5374859 - 03/07/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

so how much?
how many gigabytes you have used up in music?
You may choose only one


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5374865 - 03/07/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

4 gigs for me. Not including a few movies downloaded.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5374885 - 03/07/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

About 30gb.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5374904 - 03/07/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

71.3 gigs


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Liz]
    #5374925 - 03/07/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

132 Gb.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Deadmaker]
    #5374928 - 03/07/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Christ, and I thought I had a lot. :shrug:


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: License_to_Chill]
    #5374967 - 03/07/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have enough to fill my 30 gig ipod and that's just half of what I have on my computer.

I chose the 41-60 GB. I should've upgraded my ipod to the 60 GB. I need all my music everywhere I go. =P


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: License_to_Chill]
    #5374970 - 03/07/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yea i thought having over 60 was a lot!


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5374987 - 03/07/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

36+ days worth.

Well over 60 gigs.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: License_to_Chill]
    #5375002 - 03/07/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

License_to_Chill said:
Christ, and I thought I had a lot. :shrug:




Yeah, I listen to a wide variety of music and have been listenikng to music my whole life, so there is a lot that I like. It's all stuff that I currently listen to or have been into in the past. I'd say that less than 1 Gb is stuff that I've never listened to.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Deadmaker]
    #5375010 - 03/07/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i got a nice program called ipod copy.. so whenever someone brings theirs over, i do just that


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5375015 - 03/07/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have at least 40gb all together, and i still don't have enough, lol!


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5375021 - 03/07/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

so, when was the last time any of you actually bought a cd?


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5375024 - 03/07/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

are we counting cd's that we have actually bought?

do any of you ever actually buy the cd's of the bands you like? or do you just steal everything?


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #5375029 - 03/07/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have around 50Gb I'd say. And yes, I sometimes buy a cd, mostly from bands that really need it. That being said I just bought David Gilmour's new album... even tho he doesn't need it :smirk:


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #5375034 - 03/07/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

term adjustment for personal justification: please change the word stealing to "sharing".

apparently, we are only communist when it comes to music.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #5375041 - 03/07/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I only buy local or small bands' cds. Either that, or bands I have liked for a very long time. Other than that, I really never buy cds.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5375046 - 03/07/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5375051 - 03/07/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Right around 100 gb.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Colonel Kurtz Ph.D]
    #5375054 - 03/07/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Deepman said:
I have around 50Gb I'd say. And yes, I sometimes buy a cd, mostly from bands that really need it. That being said I just bought David Gilmour's new album... even tho he doesn't need it :smirk:





since when did you, the consumer, become the judge of who needs money and who doesnt?
it doesnt matter if they are millionaires, or billionaires, there is no justification for stealing.

the only reason people are doing it, is because they can get away with it, and because "everyone is doing it".


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5375056 - 03/07/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

psilocyberin said:
so, when was the last time any of you actually bought a cd?




I buy CD's all the time. I just rip them to my computer then upload them to my ipod. I still believe in paying for my music and supporting my bands.

There's about 20 gigs of music that I downloaded from limewire, the rest I have paid for.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5375061 - 03/07/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Nope, the reason I do it is because it's free music and I have no money. It's a crime, but I don't feel bad doing it.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5375081 - 03/07/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ah.... looking out for the 1.

Not only is it extremely selfish, it is hypocritical, especially the way I have personally witnessed every single one of you drone on about government insensitivities and oversights.

would you feel bad stealing alex gray prints? would you feel bad stealing books?

I dont see why this aspect of art is any different in regards to your guilt.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5375087 - 03/07/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I wouldn't but more than 1% of the music I dw anyway.
And even if I could buy it, most of that 1% is out of print or is so rare I don't think they even have cds.

And anyway, who are you to give me or anyone any moral talk at all? I already have a father, thanks.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Colonel Kurtz Ph.D]
    #5375095 - 03/07/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

60.3gig
about 10k songs


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5375098 - 03/07/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i've got about 300gb, spread out between two external drives, my laptop, and an old pentium box at my house.

if i got together the music that is on the servers at work (that i don't already have) plus whatever else is on my home-network (that i don't already have), i'd probably have about 400 gb.



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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Colonel Kurtz Ph.D]
    #5375102 - 03/07/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

im not trying to be the morality police, just a whistle-blower to your own hypocrisy and flagrant transgressions against everything you (probably) stand for.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5375104 - 03/07/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Of course it's selfish. Stealing is always selfish, unless the stff you're stealing is being given to someone else.

I don't see why I should feel bad anyways. I'm not actually stealing money from the artists or record labels anyways. It's not as if I would pay for this music even if I decided not to download it. I don't see why I should have to justify myself; I know it's a crime and is wrong, but I do it anyways.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Krishna]
    #5375106 - 03/07/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i buy the cd's sometimes...


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5375107 - 03/07/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yes, you are stealing money from the artists and the labels..... what makes you think you arent?


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5375115 - 03/07/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

because hes not stealing any money... record companys are losing money? Yes.... but how can you steal something they dont have??


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5375126 - 03/07/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Explain to me how I am stealing money.

There is a huge difference between stealing money and depriving them of money they would not have received in the first place.

That's why it is tried in the courts as a copyright matter, and not theft.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5375127 - 03/07/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Of course it's selfish. Stealing is always selfish, unless the stff you're stealing is being given to someone else.

I don't see why I should feel bad anyways. I'm not actually stealing money from the artists or record labels anyways. It's not as if I would pay for this music even if I decided not to download it. I don't see why I should have to justify myself; I know it's a crime and is wrong, but I do it anyways.




Exactly. Another point: Is it ethical then to donwload music that was recorded by someone that is already dead?

Because that's mostly the thing in my case; I'm not giving a cent to, for example, Jimi Hendrix's father, who sent him to live in the streets but when his son became famous and rich and died, oh surprise! he started worrying about his son's music and of course earning money out of it.

The same goes for most bands I like. I'm not paying for a cd if the artist is not receiving something out of it-period. I don't need the material cd to hear the music, so why should I pay for it? I'll only pay if the artist gets some of my money.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5375130 - 03/07/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you cant steal money that they arent making


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5375136 - 03/07/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what i usually do is download an album by a band who's cd i would have never bought otherwise and then if i'll like it enough, and i want more, i'll buy one of their cd's. then i'll continue the 50/50 ratio with that band, if possible. That does not apply to millionare artists or artists that have died. For instance i just downloaded a bunch of jimi hendrix and johnny cash albums, but only one wilco album, so that i can see if i like wilco or not.

I believe this is somewhat fair and in a way perhaps it's good for the more underground bands whose cd's i wouldn't buy based on reviews alone. And of course, everyone knows that most bands get the majority of their money from touring, but still, if you don't support your favorite bands by buying a cd from time to time, then you are a shmuck.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5375159 - 03/07/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

87.5gb

I mostly stopped buying albums three or four years ago. I already have over 400 cds.. no way I am carrying all those around.

Only time I buy a cd these days is if it's a local/underground band I catch at a show I really like.. or if I want the album art and lyrics to a certain CD.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #5375163 - 03/07/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

61.8 gigs

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JonnyOnTheSpot said:
do any of you ever actually buy the cd's of the bands you like? or do you just steal everything?


Id say I legaly own half of it. I own all the dead studio, beatles, etc. (the good stuff) Much of the stuff I dont own, Im not a big fan of.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: DieCommie]
    #5375290 - 03/07/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I dont see how you can say that it is money they arent making.

you are listening to the album right?

what kind of mentality is that? I wont pay 15 bucks for it, but I will steal it!

of course you arent taking tangible dollars from their pocket and putting it in yours, but you are depriving them of funds they would otherwise get.

imagine how many people you have burned cd's for, which now have all those artist's songs for free?

copyright infringement is an alternate term for stealing, but it deals with concepts, things which arent tangible. its like the difference between libel and slander.

for the few of you that actually do have jobs, how would feel if someone used your services, or took your craft, enjoyed it thoroughly, and decided they werent going to pay you?

The point isnt whether or not you "would have" bought it. Artists and labels provide a service, as well as a tangible form of entertainment.... that is their livelyhood. When you are directly enjoying, or using their entertainment, you owe them money.

You cant walk into a concert, listen to the whole thing and say.... well, I wouldnt have paid to get in anyway, but thanks for the good time.... and skirt off.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5375298 - 03/07/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

15 dollars for me= 15 dollars... 15 dollars for them = .000000000000000000000000015 dollars


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5375327 - 03/07/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what does that matter? how is that a proper justification?

you know how much money it takes to get an album out?

you know how much money the artists get from that album?

do you know how much money it costs to keep a tour going?

add up all those .00000000015$ over millions of people like yourself that use that same justification and it equals big bucks.

just because an artist is dead doesnt mean that it is public domain, or has no worth. If you made an invention which generated millions of dollars, wouldnt you want your family to reap the benefits long after you are gone?

sure, on a personal level, DLing an album is pretty harmless, but you need to look at the whole that you are part of. Its like pollution or littering, understand that your omission of crime not only lessens the overall problem (by a very little bit) but it can also deter people from doing it whom are in your presence.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5375336 - 03/07/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'd have to say, according to the iTunes 'calculator', I have about 7.5 days of music. 50 percent of it is purchased albums from over the years, 45 percent shows downloaded from Furthernet and archive.org, and 5 percent from limewire.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Freeker]
    #5375459 - 03/07/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Over 60, not including my lectures/speeches/standup comedy folders.  I also have a bunch of .pdfs of books, so I guess I could be accused of stealing books too.  Even though my book collection is about to start its 3rd 4 shelf bookcase.  :smirk:

I download a bunch of music, and if I'm impressed with the music, I'll buy it.  So, in actuality I've spent more money on CDs since I began file sharing than I did before.  Kinda weird how local and underground bands love file sharing, but then once they hit big and they're making lots of money, all of a sudden it aint cool anymore. :whatever:

I look at it this way too, in the long run, what's more important?  That you got paid 15 cents for every cd of yours that was sold, or the fact that millions of people are listening to your creation?  What will make you happier on your death bed...


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5375466 - 03/07/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Whats your bands name?

I have slightly under 2,000 tracks. I've bought 5 CD's in the last 4 years. If I had to pay for it I wouldn't listen to it. I make sure to go to shows and buy some merch when artists on my ipod are in town.

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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #5375499 - 03/07/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

right, in theory, it works much like the VCR did. Many people had all these apprehensions about how people could record any movie or program they wanted, but in the end it helped. That is not how it seems to be panning out for music.

i download music, but only of bands that I have bought the CD and lost, or had girlfriends take. if someone reccomends me a band, I will DL an album and check it out, but due to sound quality issues, I buy the CD. If I dont like the music or the band, I delete the album, I dont want that taking up my hard drive space.

If there is a single I like, I pay 89 cents, and get it off rhapsody.

DLing isnt evil, but I think it is being highly abused, and could be used to support both parties agendas....

years ago, frank zappa wrote about this happening, and dreamed of a world where all music was stored digitally and tapes and CD's were abolished. Maybe I can find his writing of his vision and post it, because it is a perfect compromise between the two.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5375515 - 03/07/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Would i steal art digitally if i could to hang on the wall.

Yes i would, i "steal" mass dvds and movies, i also smoke herb.

fucking send me to jail.

I'm not selling it so well, i really don't care. Its just my personal enjoyment. Its either A) i dont buy it B) i download it and watch it once. Same with most video games and stuff.

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    #5375523 - 03/07/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5376347 - 03/07/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I download music as a personal protest to the record labels' greed, and their pathetic business practices.

Case and point?

Digital downloads don't follow supply and demand. After one song is produced, all the record labels have to do is copy it over and over again as needed.There is always an unlimited supply. The only factors they can charge for is the original cost to produce the track and the bandwith needed for distribution. Neither of which can justify the prices they continue to charge.

Compare this to the cost of cds that are currently out in stores. Add the cd case, album art, the cost of each cd that is produced. The difference in price between that cd and a digital download of the album is highway robbery.

Don't even get me started on the record labels' licensing bullshit. If I buy music, I should be able to play it where ever, and on whatever I damn well please.

The fact of the matter is, if more people download music and stop buying music from the labels, it will send a clear message to the bands that their fans(not customers) are sick of the bullshit being delt to them by the record labels and would entice them to pursue other avenues of distribution.

Bands/Artists do not need record labels anymore. The internet makes it possible for bands to cut out the middleman(record labels) and distribute THEIR music the way THEY want. It would also allow the bands themselves to keep ownership of their work and not sign their creative lifeblood away to the labels.

The sooner bands realize this, the faster the record labels will go the way of the dinosaur... as they should as their business model is obsolete in the digital age.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Therapy]
    #5378658 - 03/08/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what if everyone had that logic of "personal protest"?

Im not a car theif, I am personally protesting against the extortion of companies like GM and rebelling against the capitalist, materialistic driven economy.

I know what you are doing is selfish. You know what you are doing is selfish. stealing intellectual property is not a political platform to spew a justification disguised as a philosophy.

Your "protest" isnt even grounded in logic or fact. Making an album costs a good bit of money. Usually you have session musicians, engineers, studio rental, equipment rental, cartage, mastering and talent transportation to pay for.

you have no idea how much post-production goes into an album either.

What about albums that took years to make? any idea how much of a budget, or even artistic effort was put into that? and for you to want it for pennies above manufacturing cost is sane.... right?

Do you know how much money is spent with regards to PR work that is done on albums? think about the millions of posters, flyers, tv spots, stickers, magazine ads, bus stop bench ads, billboard ads etc.

I watched Drowning Pool go from bars to MTV.... they each got thousands of dollars (from the label) to be spent solely on image: tattoo's, peircings, wardrobe, dental work.

Before a band has even stepped into the studio, a few million have already been spent.

labels are the givers of fame. As long as americans are fame whores, the labels will weild supreme, and no amount of "personal protest" will change that.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5378707 - 03/08/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:i download music, but only of bands that I have bought the CD and lost, or had girlfriends take.


:rofl: by that rational if you get your cdplayer stolen, your entitled to a new one for free from the company.

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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5378760 - 03/08/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Like I said before, I know it's selfish, and it doesn't bother me. I get music for free because I want it and I have the ability to take it. It's not a matter of morality to be, but convenience. I have no qualms about downloading music, so I do it

Until prices stop being artificially inflated, I will continue to download music.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: DieCommie]
    #5378793 - 03/08/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:i download music, but only of bands that I have bought the CD and lost, or had girlfriends take.


:rofl: by that rational if you get your cdplayer stolen, your entitled to a new one for free from the company.

you=hypocrite




Actaully once you have purchased something which is in the realm of intellectual property, it is legal to have backup copies. If it ever came down to a legal battle I could show them all the CD diamonds I still have from all those albums. I can show proof of purchase.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5378795 - 03/08/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

7-8 hard drives (between 80-200gig each) full of recorded improv music from the last 4-5 years of being in various bands/jamming alone, or with other various people.... 

Ironically, I have very few MP3s - just of music from bands/people I know....    :shrug:


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    #5378806 - 03/08/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
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psilocyberin said:i download music, but only of bands that I have bought the CD and lost, or had girlfriends take.


:rofl: by that rational if you get your cdplayer stolen, your entitled to a new one for free from the company.

you=hypocrite




Actaully once you have purchased something which is in the realm of intellectual property, it is legal to have backup copies. If it ever came down to a legal battle I could show them all the CD diamonds I still have from all those albums. I can show proof of purchase.




Actually, the RIAA continues to argue that making backups or ripping cds you have bought to a hard drive is still an infringement of copyright laws.

Just recently, they have also issued a statement that ripping cds you have purchased to mp3 players is also an infringement.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5378819 - 03/08/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

About 200 or so records.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5378830 - 03/08/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Does ANYONE ever enforce those infringement laws on anyone in the private sector/ for ones own personal use...?


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5378837 - 03/08/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Of course they dont want people making back ups. I can think of about 3 different CD's which I have bought about 4 times. However, it has been ruled on a thousand times that by purchasing a mass produced peice of art, you own rights to the intellectual property.

Im on the legal side any way you look at it.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5378843 - 03/08/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The [submitted arguments in favor of granting exemptions to the DMCA] provide no arguments or legal authority that making back up copies of CDs is a noninfringing use. In addition, the submissions provide no evidence that access controls are currently preventing them from making back up copies of CDs or that they are likely to do so in the future. Myriad online downloading services are available and offer varying types of digital rights management alternatives. For example, the Apple FairPlay technology allows users to make a limited number of copies for personal use. Presumably, consumers concerned with the ability to make back up copies would choose to purchase music from a service that allowed such copying. Even if CDs do become damaged, replacements are readily available at affordable prices. Similar to the motion picture industry, the recording industry has faced, in online piracy, a direct attack on its ability to enjoy its copyrights.




This is contrary to previous notions, but its what is expected now. If you lose or damage your CD, you are expected to buy a new one, not download it. Making backup copies is no longer "fair use"


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: DieCommie]
    #5378847 - 03/08/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:i download music, but only of bands that I have bought the CD and lost, or had girlfriends take.


:rofl: by that rational if you get your cdplayer stolen, your entitled to a new one for free from the company.

you=hypocrite




weeell, technically he's not buying a 'cd player' which is a produced good, in purchasing an album, other than the 'produced good' of the physical cd/art/etc.  you are actaully securing personal use of _intellectual property_.  which is how computer software works as well, most companies are happy to replace a physically damaged install cd (provided you send it in) for a free download (no physical production fee) or a replacement disc for 5 dollars.

the only reason i know an or care is that it is my job.  recording engineer/label whore.

in THEORY (and i believe it did stand up in court) if you downloaded mp3s of material that you physically purchased in the past, and could prove it by producing each scratched cd, you are not stealing.  now, most of the kiddies with filesharing are in turn providing those files to other, which is then piracy and generally frowned upon by the blessed mother the Label.

labels that care have been known to provide replacement discs for cost , but most labels of any stature couldn't be bothered to care.

all this came up a few decades ago with the cassette tape, while is was technically illegal to make a copy of a tape for a friend, if it was an album said friend previously purchased, it was a trasfer of intellectual content who's personal use rights were secure by both parties...

again, this is by the book, and usually it doesn't work this way.  and to all the yahoo's who say 'mp3s are the same things as tapes in the 80's and it'll be ok'  its not.  come on, it took a MINIMUM of 1 man/hour to make a 1 hour tape. not even including having to flip it, flip the LP you were copying etc.  that you can *click* a mouse, with about 30 milliseconds of labor, and distribute said album to limitless millions is a whole lot easier to do, in another league.

but being in this industry, labels of any size do need to change pu there game.  while they do still have oodles of money, in the 70's and 80's they had so much they didn't know what to do with themselves. (which is a nice feeling i'm sure, if you think about it). 

moral:  intellectual and physical goods have entirely separate ssytems of regulation.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
    #5378864 - 03/08/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i think ~600MBs of PCM audio X 600 or so for the number of cd...

does no one actaully LOVE music anymore?


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: outerwave]
    #5378886 - 03/08/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I love music. That's why I can't afford to listen to all the music that I'd like to.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: outerwave]
    #5378893 - 03/08/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

like music, dont like musicians :grin:

j/k some of my best friends are musicians...


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: outerwave]
    #5378907 - 03/08/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have lots of music I love, it just isn't on my computer....    :shrug:


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5378921 - 03/08/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

148GB and ~1200 LPs (all my CDs are ripped into that 148GB)


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: debianlinux]
    #5378935 - 03/08/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

LPs, LoL....!  I fergot about those....  I don't have as many as you, but I do have a stack 3/4 the way up my leg of old-school heavy metal shtuff~....  :headbang:

WoooooooT WoooooooT, but I haven't had a turntable for many many years....    :frown:


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5378946 - 03/08/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Records are the best.



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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: DieCommie]
    #5378956 - 03/08/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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If you lose or damage your CD, you are expected to buy a new one, not download it. Making backup copies is no longer "fair use"




While I don not agree with this premise I do understand the logic.

You buy a CD and make a backup copy for your personal use that IS "fair use".

You buy a CD and make a backup copy and then place said copy on public display for anyone and everyone to access you are crossing the line. That line is basically a question of who has the distribution rights.

I love downloading and sharing music. It has made worlds of music available to me that I know that I would have never heard or heard of otherwise. I try hard to buy LPs and occasionally CDs of the stuff that really grabs me. I also go to shitloads of concerts/shows. Does this somehow negate the fact that I am breaking the law? Nope. Does it ease my conscience? Yep. I'm a big believer in civil disobedience in the face of irrational legislation and I'm a big beliver of putting as much money in the artist's hands as possible.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #5378968 - 03/08/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

K-Tel records ruled....!    :shiftyeyes:




NOT....  :lol:


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    #5378985 - 03/08/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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If you lose or damage your CD, you are expected to buy a new one, not download it. Making backup copies is no longer "fair use"




While I don not agree with this premise I do understand the logic.

You buy a CD and make a backup copy for your personal use that IS "fair use".

You buy a CD and make a backup copy and then place said copy on public display for anyone and everyone to access you are crossing the line. That line is basically a question of who has the distribution rights.

I love downloading and sharing music. It has made worlds of music available to me that I know that I would have never heard or heard of otherwise. I try hard to buy LPs and occasionally CDs of the stuff that really grabs me. I also go to shitloads of concerts/shows. Does this somehow negate the fact that I am breaking the law? Nope. Does it ease my conscience? Yep. I'm a big believer in civil disobedience in the face of irrational legislation and I'm a big beliver of putting as much money in the artist's hands as possible.


hey im not advocating that, thats the RIAA who says that. I agree you should be able to back it up.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: debianlinux]
    #5378991 - 03/08/06 07:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I have to note that I go to a concert at least every other week. That is where musicians make their $ anyways.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: DieCommie]
    #5379000 - 03/08/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i'm saying your reasoning is flawed. you are talking about 2 different things. there is making backups and there is distributing said backups.

Yes, I know the RIAA is attacking the basics of "fair use" and that is wrong. I just wanted you to understand that distribution is NOT fair use regardless of how easy it may be to rationalize.

In a perfect world only people who own a legit copy of music would download a backup; Much as I do with LPs I wish not to open.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: debianlinux]
    #5379007 - 03/08/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I only buy cd's of stuff that I cant find online. Recently I bought an Anton Webern cd that I couldnt find online, it has nothing to do with how much I like the band or how poor they are. And Id agree that Im probably stealing money from them, but I also never claimed to be a good guy.


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    #5379021 - 03/08/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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RIAA said:Presumably, consumers concerned with the ability to make back up copies would choose to purchase music from a service that allowed such copying. Even if CDs do become damaged, replacements are readily available at affordable prices.


now where is my reasoning flawed? im not trying to argue, i truly want to know.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Therapy]
    #5379110 - 03/08/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I download music as a personal protest to the record labels' greed, and their pathetic business practices.





awwwe shit. i deal with this crap all day, so:

1) Big Labels are just that, interested in the dollar. they tend to sign bands that will sell (cause it is a buiness) to the huge demographic of 10-13 year old girls. if you fall into this catagory, all i can say is youth IS the time to rebel, so have at it. if you are not a 12 girl, then the majority of what Big Labels offer prolly shouldn't interest you and you should not have a beef with them for running a buisness. man's gotta eat and all.

2) labels range in size of the Conglomerate, of which there are four, to Bob 'n' Pete's Records in there mom's basement. so unless you are buying/stealing from the biggun', your stealing from poor Bob 'n' Pete. Indie labels, who are small enough to care, really don't have any money. they burn bright, do wonderful things, then die out leaving the owners in debt forever. rinse, wash, repeat. its a labor of love. Take 4AD records, been around since 1980, brought the world the Pixies (prolly their biggest export) as well as the best music EVER (imho). most cats can't even clear 30k a year either working for the label (after 20 years) or being signed to it.

3) no, artists do not NEED labels. we have the internet. but then again, the Label can't force the artist to sign. the artist did it because there was a $200k check next to the contract, and a million dollar budget to make all their dreams come true. not something you can get any other way. check out the free online music community. most people are amazed to get 1000 downloads. most of the worlds greatest artists would have been passed over and forgotten without Big Money. signing a developent deal and paying the artists way for years to write the greatest record ever requires money, if the genius artist had to flip burgers all day he prolly wouldn'y have the time or focus to make that classic album eventually. there are an infinite number of awesome bands, unfourtunatly without the money to make a proper webpage and record the fucking song (my job), most working stiffs would have to give up music to feed their families. it takes money to make money. unless you do folk music in seattle. in which case you just need your buddie's couch.

3) cost to make and album that doesn't suck: $10k to 1.5M. usually around $150k for small bands on major labels.

not counting that or promotion. when a small indie label makes a record, with out the promotion machine or big names to sell it. cd's cost ~$1.5 a piece for small/medium runs. label then has to slum it to a cd store themselves, selling for $6 a pop. cd store then sells it for $12. if you didn't want to walk into cd stores all salesman like and beg them to sell a few cd's of yours, you need a distributor. cd goes to distributor for $6, who has to store, ship, market the damn thing, selling it to the cd store for $10, who has to store it and hopefully sell it for $14.

seeing as a few thousand cd's is a lot for a medium sized indie label, and 1000 for a small one. that is $4000 for the small label. this has to pay for recording, which was prolly $10000, the band, which needs to eat and pay rent while working on the album, $1500, pay the folks who work for the label to make it all happen for $5/hour, 40hrs/week, for three people $2400. oh right, then that kid who designed the whole things only charged $200, but then there was the filing of a Doing Buisness As for the band and copywrites, another $400.

so, you make a grand total of NEGETIVE $10500. and you need to steal from these guys why?

"sure" you say, "i mean the digital model were you don't make cd's, but try to sell songs for $.99 (which ends of the same price) or if your really into loosing money, you'll sell mp3 albums for $5." more on this later, but it still takes money to make the tshirt, pay for the gas in the van to play the shows, pay the venue for the show because they always get their cut, regardless of if you sell any tickets or not. and more, starting the whole damn process anyway, leading to:

two last point, and there good ones:

even in the digital buiness model, making a record and and fancy webpage is great and not all that expensive in the scheme of things. BUT the ARTIST needs to rely on more than word of mouth to get people to bother to listen to, let alone purchase, their music in order to pay their rent and feed their tummies. and punks pirating their music anyway, i mean, it's already an mp3, so it's gonna get shared if you like it or not. promotion is stupid expensive. and all this money needs to come from somewhere, which is were the evil Label enters the picture to get the ball rolling. and labels loose money on 18/20 bands they sign. they can't hack it, and are fired. one of those 20 did alright for themselves, trying to make music that waasn't a pop copycat, or so you'd think (read below, best part). MAYBE the last arist does ok, makes a few bucks, maybe one in 50 ends up on mtv.

AWESOMEST POINT EVER THAT EVERYONE OVERLOOKS TILL YOUR IN IT:

you are not stealing from the label, but THE FUCKING BAND! remember that signing bonus, THE ARTIST HAS TO PAY BACK THE LABEL FOR EVERYTHING. Labels are like banks giving out loans. and none of this works in the bands favor unless you are on TRL.

Advance: $ 250,000
Manager's cut: $ 37,500
Legal fees: $ 10,000

Recording Budget: $ 155,500
Producer's advance: $ 50,000
Studio fee: $ 52,500
Drum, Amp, Mic and Phase "Doctors": $ 3,000
Recording tape: $ 8,000
Equipment rental: $ 5,000
Cartage and Transportation: $ 5,000
Lodging while in studio: $ 10,000
Catering: $ 3,000
Mastering: $ 10,000
Tape copies, reference CDs, shipping tapes, misc. expenses: $ 2,000
Album Artwork: $ 5,000
Promotional photo shoot and duplication: $ 2,000

Video budget: $ 31,000
Cameras: $ 8,000
Crew: $ 5,000
Processing and transfers: $ 3,000
Off-line: $ 2,000
On-line editing: $ 3,000
Catering: $ 1,000
Stage and construction: $ 3,000
Copies, couriers, transportation: $ 2,000
Director's fee: $ 4,000

Band fund: $ 15,000
New fancy professional drum kit: $ 5,000
New fancy professional guitars [2]: $ 3,000
New fancy professional guitar amp rigs [2]: $ 4,000
New fancy potato-shaped bass guitar: $ 1,000
New fancy bass amp: $ 1,000
Rehearsal space rental: $ 500
Big blowout party for their friends: $ 500

Tour expense [5 weeks]: $ 50,875
Bus: $ 25,000
Crew [3]: $ 7,500
Food and per diems: $ 7,875
Fuel: $ 3,000
Consumable supplies: $ 3,500
Wardrobe: $ 1,000
Promotion: $ 3,000

Tour gross income: $ 50,000
Booking Agent's cut: $ 7,500
Manager's cut: $ 7,500

Merchandising advance: $ 20,000
Manager's cut: $ 3,000
Lawyer's fee: $ 1,000

Publishing advance: $ 20,000
Manager's cut: $ 3,000
Lawyer's fee: $ 1,000

Record sales: 250,000 @ $12: $ 3,000,000
Gross retail revenue Royalty [13% of 90% of retail]: 250,000 @ $12: $ 351,000
Less advance: $ 250,000
Producer's points [3% less $50,000 advance]: $ 40,000
Promotional budget: $ 25,000
Recoupable buyout from previous label: $ 50,000
Net royalty: $ -14,000


Now, on the other hand, let's look at the Record company income:

Record wholesale price $6.50 x 250,000 $ 1,625,000 gross income
Artist Royalties: $ 351,000
Deficit from royalties: $ 14,000
Costs of manufacturing, packaging and distribution @ $2.20 per record: $ 550,000
Label's gross profit: $ 7l0,000


The Balance Sheet: This is how much each player got paid at the end of the game:

Record company: $ 710,000
Producer: $ 90,000
Manager: $ 51,000
Studio: $ 52,500
Previous label: $ 50,000
Booking Agent: $ 7,500
Lawyer: $ 12,000
Band member net income each: $ 781.25


MORAL: you are not 'sending' a message to a band that you are a fan of. you fuck the label, the label fucks the band and fires them. sympathy or not. now this band YOU were a fan of and trying SEND A MESSAGE to, goes home with a million in debt, has to file bankrupy, looses his wife, who takes the kids, and ends up painting houses forever and sluming it in an apartment since his credit is shit and he can't get a real house.

THEY ABOVE BALANCE SHEETS are for 250000 units sold. this is EXTREMELY small to a big label. that band you are a fan of on a Big Label, prolly got a million dollar signing bonus, spent $750k in the studio, made 2-3 videos for 2million a pop. and still has to work with the income above.

thank you and good day.

PS, i am not an anti-mp3 nazi, i love em, have found some of my all time favor tunes using the old napster. but these bands are not big, and i understand the impact of my choice. hell yea i make every effort to support them, go to the show if i can, buy the cd at a show (band gets more money that way).

i really REALLY care about this because this is what i do. i am not only a music fan, but it and the shitty buisness around it are my job, my life, and those involved in the nightmare are my friends. would they do it again after being fucked? prolly, its that highroller rock'n'roll lifestyle that gives you something to tell you grand kids, but it is a rough rough life to deal with the fame once, then have it yanked away.

there is a statistic, even bands that had number one video and charttopping songs in the decade(s) past, when bands made more money anyway, are sorry, sorry individuals when you look at they were left with after greatness. other than people with 10+ staying power like clapton, kiss, new order, still can pay their bills, mostly because they still work. bands get money, they by cars (or in a friends case, a $50000 snakeskin suit in Rio, with money from the advance). meaning he had to pay it back , and doesn't have the dough.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: outerwave]
    #5379117 - 03/08/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

:shocked: those poor starving artists.  we should donate money to help them pay the bills.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5379120 - 03/08/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Never heard of K-Tel records before.  :shrug:


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: DieCommie]
    #5379123 - 03/08/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
If you lose or damage your CD, you are expected to buy a new one, not download it. Making backup copies is no longer "fair use"




no problem. i'm not trying to flame either.

the above quote is confusing the issue.

i take offense to the RIAA expecting me to buy new replacements for damaged CDs as opposed to using a self-made backup copy..

OTOH, I am inclined to agree that myself or any other p2p file sharer does not have the distribution rights to the music. there's the old adage that downloading isn't illegal but uploading sure is.

IOW, it may be my fair use right to create a backup copy of my CD but it is not within your fair use rights to distribute that backup copy to me.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: debianlinux]
    #5379130 - 03/08/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

debianlinux said:
Yes, I know the RIAA is attacking the basics of "fair use"
In a perfect world only people who own a legit copy of music would download a backup; Much as I do with LPs I wish not to open.




you are correct sir (and i'm sure you know that).

copying or 'backing up' IS fair use. got the big city lawyer to back me up. but when you get into making things into mp3s, which again is FARI USE for your portable mp3 player. the ease at which those small files are intentionally, unintentionally, or even KNOWINGLY distributed is what RIAA is after. will they hammer you about it either way, sure, it is more about sending a message to people. can they make bullshit stick, hell yea, this is the justice system were talking about, more money=winning cases. there is law or precident for everything going both ways, fancier suited guy tends gets to pick which one applies, and that he golfs with the judges brother doesn't hurt.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: debianlinux]
    #5379134 - 03/08/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

fair enough.  it certainly is murkey water, and Im not gonna try to wade through it.  :smile:


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: DieCommie]
    #5379156 - 03/08/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
:shocked: those poor starving artists.  we should donate money to help them pay the bills.




are you being fucking serious?!?

that i or any begining artist could move a QUARTER MILLION copies is brilliant!  that they even broke even is AWESOME.  cept i don't think thats the kind of band the guy who is 'rebelling and sending messages' was referring to.  he should PM an example band and i'll let you know how much money they make/loose.

i am kinda riled up from posting all that, but i'm currently pretty offended/pissed that you said that.  burn bright and live short, good time, it can be a wonderful thing to fill your life with memories, or your better off with a long walk/short bridge scenario after you do.

added:

i'm still trying to make sense of this.  i mean, big bands on big labels, they should forced to pay charity for living out their wishes and being in luxery for it.  but these cats tend to be the commercial pocket pussies of the Label, and everyone is happy.

i don't work with people that big, but guys struggling to leave the indelible mark on human conciousness.  and make sumptin' pertty while they're at it.  these guys ARE more than struggling, its a loosing battle trying to pay your way.  but they do it to give YOU/US that little 5 minute something that makes you bob your head and feel something in your chest.  that or it was all the mushies you just ate.


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outerwave


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #5379158 - 03/08/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

PLUR, LOL said:
Never heard of K-Tel records before.  :shrug:




They did the crappy compilaton albums back in the late 70s - early 80s.....    :shiftyeyes:


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #5379310 - 03/08/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

About 20 gigs. From torrents, Kazaa, and my dad's classic rock cd's. Had to buy a bigger ipod cause I filled it up, and it broke...


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: outerwave]
    #5379448 - 03/08/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

outerwave said:
Quote:

debianlinux said:
Yes, I know the RIAA is attacking the basics of "fair use"
In a perfect world only people who own a legit copy of music would download a backup; Much as I do with LPs I wish not to open.




you are correct sir (and i'm sure you know that).

copying or 'backing up' IS fair use. got the big city lawyer to back me up. but when you get into making things into mp3s, which again is FARI USE for your portable mp3 player. the ease at which those small files are intentionally, unintentionally, or even KNOWINGLY distributed is what RIAA is after. will they hammer you about it either way, sure, it is more about sending a message to people.




That is not true. That RIAA has stated time and time again that it is not "fair use" to make backups of your own cds or to rip cds you purchased onto your own mp3 player. They have made press release after press release stating this opinion on the matter.

Until the record industry realizes they are part of the same capitalist system that consumers are part of, people will continue to download music at growing rates. This will not stop until prices are dropped.


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5379486 - 03/08/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

nearly 2.5 gigs...

I can't really see how someone could actually manage and use over 4 gigs of music regularly...


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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: AKSE]
    #5379675 - 03/08/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

18.8 gigs
you get lots of music by exploring all your artists, and downloading all their music :evil:
i dont see how you couldnt get over 4 gigs once you discover more than ~5 artists


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