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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
#5375336 - 03/07/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd have to say, according to the iTunes 'calculator', I have about 7.5 days of music. 50 percent of it is purchased albums from over the years, 45 percent shows downloaded from Furthernet and archive.org, and 5 percent from limewire.
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Penguarky Tunguin
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Freeker]
#5375459 - 03/07/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Over 60, not including my lectures/speeches/standup comedy folders. I also have a bunch of .pdfs of books, so I guess I could be accused of stealing books too. Even though my book collection is about to start its 3rd 4 shelf bookcase. 
I download a bunch of music, and if I'm impressed with the music, I'll buy it. So, in actuality I've spent more money on CDs since I began file sharing than I did before. Kinda weird how local and underground bands love file sharing, but then once they hit big and they're making lots of money, all of a sudden it aint cool anymore. 
I look at it this way too, in the long run, what's more important? That you got paid 15 cents for every cd of yours that was sold, or the fact that millions of people are listening to your creation? What will make you happier on your death bed...
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Noetical
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5375466 - 03/07/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whats your bands name?
I have slightly under 2,000 tracks. I've bought 5 CD's in the last 4 years. If I had to pay for it I wouldn't listen to it. I make sure to go to shows and buy some merch when artists on my ipod are in town.
DL is legal in Canada
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SneezingPenis
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right, in theory, it works much like the VCR did. Many people had all these apprehensions about how people could record any movie or program they wanted, but in the end it helped. That is not how it seems to be panning out for music.
i download music, but only of bands that I have bought the CD and lost, or had girlfriends take. if someone reccomends me a band, I will DL an album and check it out, but due to sound quality issues, I buy the CD. If I dont like the music or the band, I delete the album, I dont want that taking up my hard drive space.
If there is a single I like, I pay 89 cents, and get it off rhapsody.
DLing isnt evil, but I think it is being highly abused, and could be used to support both parties agendas....
years ago, frank zappa wrote about this happening, and dreamed of a world where all music was stored digitally and tapes and CD's were abolished. Maybe I can find his writing of his vision and post it, because it is a perfect compromise between the two.
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5375515 - 03/07/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Would i steal art digitally if i could to hang on the wall.
Yes i would, i "steal" mass dvds and movies, i also smoke herb.
fucking send me to jail.
I'm not selling it so well, i really don't care. Its just my personal enjoyment. Its either A) i dont buy it B) i download it and watch it once. Same with most video games and stuff.
*edit
sorry im kind of drunk and feeling down today if that came across shitty
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
#5375523 - 03/07/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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625 MB
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Silversoul]
#5376347 - 03/07/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I download music as a personal protest to the record labels' greed, and their pathetic business practices.
Case and point?
Digital downloads don't follow supply and demand. After one song is produced, all the record labels have to do is copy it over and over again as needed.There is always an unlimited supply. The only factors they can charge for is the original cost to produce the track and the bandwith needed for distribution. Neither of which can justify the prices they continue to charge.
Compare this to the cost of cds that are currently out in stores. Add the cd case, album art, the cost of each cd that is produced. The difference in price between that cd and a digital download of the album is highway robbery.
Don't even get me started on the record labels' licensing bullshit. If I buy music, I should be able to play it where ever, and on whatever I damn well please.
The fact of the matter is, if more people download music and stop buying music from the labels, it will send a clear message to the bands that their fans(not customers) are sick of the bullshit being delt to them by the record labels and would entice them to pursue other avenues of distribution.
Bands/Artists do not need record labels anymore. The internet makes it possible for bands to cut out the middleman(record labels) and distribute THEIR music the way THEY want. It would also allow the bands themselves to keep ownership of their work and not sign their creative lifeblood away to the labels.
The sooner bands realize this, the faster the record labels will go the way of the dinosaur... as they should as their business model is obsolete in the digital age.
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SneezingPenis
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Therapy]
#5378658 - 03/08/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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what if everyone had that logic of "personal protest"?
Im not a car theif, I am personally protesting against the extortion of companies like GM and rebelling against the capitalist, materialistic driven economy.
I know what you are doing is selfish. You know what you are doing is selfish. stealing intellectual property is not a political platform to spew a justification disguised as a philosophy.
Your "protest" isnt even grounded in logic or fact. Making an album costs a good bit of money. Usually you have session musicians, engineers, studio rental, equipment rental, cartage, mastering and talent transportation to pay for.
you have no idea how much post-production goes into an album either.
What about albums that took years to make? any idea how much of a budget, or even artistic effort was put into that? and for you to want it for pennies above manufacturing cost is sane.... right?
Do you know how much money is spent with regards to PR work that is done on albums? think about the millions of posters, flyers, tv spots, stickers, magazine ads, bus stop bench ads, billboard ads etc.
I watched Drowning Pool go from bars to MTV.... they each got thousands of dollars (from the label) to be spent solely on image: tattoo's, peircings, wardrobe, dental work.
Before a band has even stepped into the studio, a few million have already been spent.
labels are the givers of fame. As long as americans are fame whores, the labels will weild supreme, and no amount of "personal protest" will change that.
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DieCommie

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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5378707 - 03/08/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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psilocyberin said:i download music, but only of bands that I have bought the CD and lost, or had girlfriends take.
by that rational if you get your cdplayer stolen, your entitled to a new one for free from the company.
you=hypocrite
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5378760 - 03/08/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Like I said before, I know it's selfish, and it doesn't bother me. I get music for free because I want it and I have the ability to take it. It's not a matter of morality to be, but convenience. I have no qualms about downloading music, so I do it
Until prices stop being artificially inflated, I will continue to download music.
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SneezingPenis
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: DieCommie]
#5378793 - 03/08/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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psilocyberin said:i download music, but only of bands that I have bought the CD and lost, or had girlfriends take.
by that rational if you get your cdplayer stolen, your entitled to a new one for free from the company.
you=hypocrite
Actaully once you have purchased something which is in the realm of intellectual property, it is legal to have backup copies. If it ever came down to a legal battle I could show them all the CD diamonds I still have from all those albums. I can show proof of purchase.
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
#5378795 - 03/08/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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7-8 hard drives (between 80-200gig each) full of recorded improv music from the last 4-5 years of being in various bands/jamming alone, or with other various people....
Ironically, I have very few MP3s - just of music from bands/people I know....
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5378806 - 03/08/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
psilocyberin said:
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DieCommie said:
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psilocyberin said:i download music, but only of bands that I have bought the CD and lost, or had girlfriends take.
by that rational if you get your cdplayer stolen, your entitled to a new one for free from the company.
you=hypocrite
Actaully once you have purchased something which is in the realm of intellectual property, it is legal to have backup copies. If it ever came down to a legal battle I could show them all the CD diamonds I still have from all those albums. I can show proof of purchase.
Actually, the RIAA continues to argue that making backups or ripping cds you have bought to a hard drive is still an infringement of copyright laws.
Just recently, they have also issued a statement that ripping cds you have purchased to mp3 players is also an infringement.
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
#5378819 - 03/08/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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About 200 or so records.
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PhanTomCat
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Redstorm]
#5378830 - 03/08/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Does ANYONE ever enforce those infringement laws on anyone in the private sector/ for ones own personal use...?
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SneezingPenis
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: Redstorm]
#5378837 - 03/08/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Of course they dont want people making back ups. I can think of about 3 different CD's which I have bought about 4 times. However, it has been ruled on a thousand times that by purchasing a mass produced peice of art, you own rights to the intellectual property.
Im on the legal side any way you look at it.
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DieCommie

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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5378843 - 03/08/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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RIAA said: The [submitted arguments in favor of granting exemptions to the DMCA] provide no arguments or legal authority that making back up copies of CDs is a noninfringing use. In addition, the submissions provide no evidence that access controls are currently preventing them from making back up copies of CDs or that they are likely to do so in the future. Myriad online downloading services are available and offer varying types of digital rights management alternatives. For example, the Apple FairPlay technology allows users to make a limited number of copies for personal use. Presumably, consumers concerned with the ability to make back up copies would choose to purchase music from a service that allowed such copying. Even if CDs do become damaged, replacements are readily available at affordable prices. Similar to the motion picture industry, the recording industry has faced, in online piracy, a direct attack on its ability to enjoy its copyrights.
This is contrary to previous notions, but its what is expected now. If you lose or damage your CD, you are expected to buy a new one, not download it. Making backup copies is no longer "fair use"
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: DieCommie]
#5378847 - 03/08/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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DieCommie said:
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psilocyberin said:i download music, but only of bands that I have bought the CD and lost, or had girlfriends take.
by that rational if you get your cdplayer stolen, your entitled to a new one for free from the company.
you=hypocrite
weeell, technically he's not buying a 'cd player' which is a produced good, in purchasing an album, other than the 'produced good' of the physical cd/art/etc. you are actaully securing personal use of _intellectual property_. which is how computer software works as well, most companies are happy to replace a physically damaged install cd (provided you send it in) for a free download (no physical production fee) or a replacement disc for 5 dollars.
the only reason i know an or care is that it is my job. recording engineer/label whore.
in THEORY (and i believe it did stand up in court) if you downloaded mp3s of material that you physically purchased in the past, and could prove it by producing each scratched cd, you are not stealing. now, most of the kiddies with filesharing are in turn providing those files to other, which is then piracy and generally frowned upon by the blessed mother the Label.
labels that care have been known to provide replacement discs for cost , but most labels of any stature couldn't be bothered to care.
all this came up a few decades ago with the cassette tape, while is was technically illegal to make a copy of a tape for a friend, if it was an album said friend previously purchased, it was a trasfer of intellectual content who's personal use rights were secure by both parties...
again, this is by the book, and usually it doesn't work this way. and to all the yahoo's who say 'mp3s are the same things as tapes in the 80's and it'll be ok' its not. come on, it took a MINIMUM of 1 man/hour to make a 1 hour tape. not even including having to flip it, flip the LP you were copying etc. that you can *click* a mouse, with about 30 milliseconds of labor, and distribute said album to limitless millions is a whole lot easier to do, in another league.
but being in this industry, labels of any size do need to change pu there game. while they do still have oodles of money, in the 70's and 80's they had so much they didn't know what to do with themselves. (which is a nice feeling i'm sure, if you think about it).
moral: intellectual and physical goods have entirely separate ssytems of regulation.
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: danlennon3]
#5378864 - 03/08/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think ~600MBs of PCM audio X 600 or so for the number of cd...
does no one actaully LOVE music anymore?
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Re: how much music do you have? [Re: outerwave]
#5378886 - 03/08/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I love music. That's why I can't afford to listen to all the music that I'd like to.
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