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OfflineLiveByFreedom
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monkeys have smoked DMT
    #5374244 - 03/07/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Here's a passage i found in Heavenly Highs: Ayahuasca, Kava Kava, DMT & Other Plants of the Gods by Peter Stafford, just thought i'd share:

"Monkeys Get High

Medicinal properties notwithstanding, there are other ideas to explain why people take psychedelics. Siegel found that he could persuade monkeys to voluntarily smoke the hallucinogen DMT when they were in a situation of severe sensory deprivation. He had already trained three rhesus monkeys to smoke for a reward, to study the effects of nicotene. When he laced their smoking tubes with DMT, they briefly tried it, then avoided it. But after several days in the darkness, with no stimulation, the monkeys began to smoke DMT voluntarily. They ended up grasping at and chasing non-existent objects and hiding from invisible dangers. "This was the first demonstration of a non-human primate voluntarily taking a hallucinogen drug," Siegel says. "We share the same motivation to light up our lives with chemical glimpses of another world." Boredom it seems, will drive animals to experiment, even when the experience is not altogether pleasurable."

I was astonished when i read this! I'd LOVE to be friends with a monkey who enjoys smoking DMT voluntarily.


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Re: monkeys have smoked DMT [Re: LiveByFreedom]
    #5374271 - 03/07/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wow... that's quite interesting. Where can i get this book? Do you know if this experiment has been repeated anywhere?


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Re: monkeys have smoked DMT [Re: Hrethic]
    #5374285 - 03/07/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I actually found it at Borders (i've found a few really good books there), before i found better bookstores. It's a neat book, but doesn't go too in-depth. Very interesting info on Virola, and other dmt-containing plants. I'm looking to trade this book for seeds, a spore syringe, a filled spawn bag or possibly something else. Interested at all?


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Re: monkeys have smoked DMT [Re: LiveByFreedom]
    #5375086 - 03/07/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I dont think they were smoking it for fun but smoking it for sanity. Locked in the dark for three days would drive anyone to do anything to make the time anything but dark.


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Re: monkeys have smoked DMT [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5375214 - 03/07/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, i understand that, and am totally not for putting monkeys in the dark for 3 days, that's just not right. But it's just so amazing that these primates have smoked Di-Methyl-Tryptamine, ya know, and have possibly seen the chrysanthemum pattern thereselves. I'm looking for more info on this now.


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Re: monkeys have smoked DMT [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5375228 - 03/07/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I dont think they were smoking it for fun but smoking it for sanity. Locked in the dark for three days would drive anyone to do anything to make the time anything but dark.




Nah, i don't think so. If you could only get the light turned on if you cut off a finger off, i know i wouldn't be doing it. Maybe a monkey though.. But i do know what you mean, the real test would be if they perferred that over a cig, in normal conditions.


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Re: monkeys have smoked DMT [Re: LiveByFreedom]
    #5375240 - 03/07/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Its interesting yes, but i myself find it not out of the ordinary. We arnt that far away from any onther life form. We just have the power to create scenerios and create art and verbal language.

All other aspects of us are very much animal.

Bears get drunk yad yada yada just did a search check out this book

http://www.forteantimes.com/review/animalpsych.shtml

"Bruce Bagemihl?s groundbreaking Biological Exhuberance ? which details homosexual and autosexual behaviour in hundreds of species of animals ? comprehensively demolishes the first argument, and is heavy enough to be useful in battering the message home if needs be. Samorini?s slender tome may not be much use in a fight, but in the right hands the information it contains has the potential to spark a revolution.

The bottom line: animals like to get high ? hundreds of animal species, from the ant to the elephant, actively seek out hallucinogenic plants. Samorini is careful to distinguish between accidental intoxication ? nature?s equivalent of being spiked ? and the deliberate, methodical, at times even aggressive search for psychedelic satisfaction. This somewhat startling fact raises vital questions, not least that of animal consciousness.

If even an ant can tell the difference between being straight and high, in this instance by sucking secretions from the abdomen of a lomechusa beetle, what does this tell us about the consciousness of something like a mandrill, which munches the intensely potent iboga root, then waits up to two hours for the effects to kick in before engaging in territorial battle with another mandrill? Equally fascinating is the fact that many animals appear to use psychedelics recreationally ? and that not all individuals of a particular species will indulge, just as some humans are more partial to tripping out than others. One in the eye for the stark behaviourists, it would seem.

All of Samorini?s evidence comes from first-hand observation by himself and others, though it is of the ?we gave an elephant 300 tabs of LSD, it keeled over and died? school of science. But he does take great delight in describing the orderly queues formed by his neighbourhood cats as they take hits on his catnip plant; or of being butted out of the way by an Alpine goat who thought he was going to munch a clump of tasty psilocybin mushrooms before it did.

Too careful to speculate at any length on why animals take drugs, here Samorini concedes to Ronald K Siegel (from whose Intoxication much of the observational material is also drawn) and Edward de Bono. Siegel suggests that intoxication is an evolutionary force, while de Bono talks of the value of depatterning in evolutionary development ? forcing the mind to break with established routines and habits, and so discover new approaches to important matters of survival.

Unquestionably, certain psychedelic plants also improve perception and sharpen the senses, giving the psychedelicised predator, or prey, a distinct evolutionary advantage. But if Samorini won?t speculate, we certainly can. If animals use psychedelic drugs, and we know that Stone Age humans did, and presumably their ancestors, might we not wonder ? in Terence McKenna mode ? what kind of role they played in the evolution of human consciousness?"


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Re: monkeys have smoked DMT [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5375276 - 03/07/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the read, very interesting. Ummmmmmmm Deja Vu?!?!


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Re: monkeys have smoked DMT [Re: LiveByFreedom]
    #5375315 - 03/07/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hmmm a day where monkeys smoke dmt before me


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Re: monkeys have smoked DMT [Re: LiveByFreedom]
    #5384266 - 03/10/06 02:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Medicinal properties notwithstanding, there are other ideas to explain why people take psychedelics. Siegel found that he could persuade monkeys to voluntarily smoke the hallucinogen DMT when they were in a situation of severe sensory deprivation. He had already trained three rhesus monkeys to smoke for a reward, to study the effects of nicotene. When he laced their smoking tubes with DMT, they briefly tried it, then avoided it. But after several days in the darkness, with no stimulation, the monkeys began to smoke DMT voluntarily. They ended up grasping at and chasing non-existent objects and hiding from invisible dangers. "This was the first demonstration of a non-human primate voluntarily taking a hallucinogen drug," Siegel says. "We share the same motivation to light up our lives with chemical glimpses of another world." Boredom it seems, will drive animals to experiment, even when the experience is not altogether pleasurable."




alright the only problem i see with it is that he trained the monkeys to smoke to get a dopamine rush from a highly addictive substance.  then after they were addicted to smoking to obtain nicotine he introduced dmt laced ciggarettes.  they didnt like the effects cuz they were overwhelming and unknown, but then when the nicotine withdrawal started setting in, they went back to smoking anything they could, regardless of if it was DMT or PCP.. etc... case in point, they just wanted the nicotine.  :syringe:


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Re: monkeys have smoked DMT [Re: fresh313]
    #5384282 - 03/10/06 02:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That monkey suit was my best investment ever :smile:


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Re: monkeys have smoked DMT [Re: blackout]
    #5384334 - 03/10/06 03:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Blackout - hehe hehe he.

I think it was harsh to my monkey brothers to force the whole thing on them, why not take it yourself while near them, then offer it to them when you come back to our shared dimension ? ? ?

They would see you suck the pipe and trip tha fuckout and then they;'d associate the pipe and the fuk'd behaviour and if they wanted a go themselves they could freely choose . Wheres the problem ?
Well ok other than the potential existence of a difference in their mind that would make it a lame experience or worse, and like other 'possible' shit, but still .

What do you think ?


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Re: monkeys have smoked DMT [Re: Mirth]
    #5384336 - 03/10/06 03:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think it was a pretty harsh experiment, definitely stupid behaviour on the scientists part.

They did indeed smoke it voluntarily though after being in the dark for 3 days. Maybe it was the nicotene addiction, i don't know.


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