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Offlinerequiem99
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First grow completed. Now come the questions.
    #5373954 - 03/07/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Stats of my first grow:

12 hp cakes done PFTEK style using BRF/Fine Verm/Water mixture, steam sterilization (twice per jar with 24 hour wait between each time)

6 cakes inoculated with Puerto Rico, 6 with Koh Samui. 4 jars discarded during incubation due to green mold contamination (and one to nasty orange/rust stuff)

All remaining jars birthed to rubbermaid terrarium (with clear plastic on all 4 sides and top, but not bottom) after 3 days of complete mycelium growth and 12-18 hours of cold shock/dunking in purified water in the fridge AND double end cased with the same fine verm.

Humidity and temp was measured at all times in the terrarium and humidity never dropped below 95% (usually stood at 99-100). Temp fluctuated with the outside weather from 72-84.

Total yield from 8 dunked, shocked, and rolled cakes was 10 dry grams. 10 fucking measly grams. After 4 complete flushes, with dunk/rolls between flushes. So here come the questions:

1) What the hell did I do wrong? Why such a small harvest? The shrooms I got were quite potent (but not very visual), but they were always VERY small.

2) Why were the shrooms so small? Rarely did I get a single shroom that was more than 6-8 wet grams, and I only got THREE that were 10g or more (14g was the biggest).

3) Why did the PR and KS strains look and trip identical? I assumed from pictures of growlogs that the strains would be at least a LITTLE different. They were literally IDENTICAL, and neither one looked like pictures I have seen (They looked like Ecquador). I got them from Spores101 about 3 months ago.

4) What is the most visual strain of shrooms? This experiment frustrated me because the harvest I DID get was not what I wanted. I want shrooms with CEVs, and I didn't get any.

5) For my next grow I plan to grow cased trays using some combination of worm castings, coco coir, straw, or perhaps even something else. I haven't decided, but I do want to use worm castings for sure. What is the best way to spawn before transferring to casings? Grain jars?

6) What other tips can you provide someone with a PFTEK grow under their belt that is now moving to casings. General stuff everyone who has done casings knows, but might not appear in a FAQ.

Thanks Shroomery!


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InvisibleLiquidkick
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Re: First grow completed. Now come the questions. [Re: requiem99]
    #5373990 - 03/07/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I dunno what to tell you about why your shrooms were so small and not visual, all you have to do is eat more and the visuals will come.

People have found Puerto Rican shrooms to be extremely visual.

I suggest you skip the worm castings, and use Hpoo, with some WBS. And go for casings. Blue Helix's Spawn bag preparation is really nice, as there is no need to spawn with WBS. You can just inject LC straight into it.

Check out his grow logs, he has pictures of his terrium, and very indepth.

I suggest the Ecudorian growlog.


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Re: First grow completed. Now come the questions. [Re: requiem99]
    #5374022 - 03/07/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yah, from what I hear the hpoo u get more potency and a bigger yeild.


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Re: First grow completed. Now come the questions. [Re: requiem99]
    #5374026 - 03/07/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

your small shrooms could be due to lack of FAE/GE, how many times a day did you fan your terrarium? you should fan atleast 3-5 times aday. a good average yeild that ive read for cakes is 1/8th dry per cake. ive only tried cakes once w/ no luck.. then whent to casings.

you need to find a place were you can get some Horse poo (not from a store) and do up some casings if you want a better yeild and more potent mushrooms. IMO casings are 100 times easier than messing w/ making up cakes. i would say the hardest part of doing casings is just learing what the proper moisture content looks like for your casing layer and your Hpoo.

out of the strains ive grown BPK from ralphsters has been the best visual starin for me so far, but most responces youll get from this question is more than likely that a cube is a cube..


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Re: First grow completed. Now come the questions. [Re: Liquidkick]
    #5374049 - 03/07/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what strain did you grow???
strain has a major effect on what type of buzz you will have.

second, cakes are weak. they have very little surface area so there won't be very many fruits. i beleive biological effeciency is 200% with this species of mushrooms so remember that for next time. 200% means if everything was beyond perfect the most you would get is twice the dry weight of the substrate. most people don't get 200% so don't go freakng out when you don't.

if you want bigger fruits you need more food for them. you can't grow big and straong eating like shit.

3) how can you tell what the trips were like??? if you ate both strains you aren't going to feel a difference.

4)all a matter of opinion.I stick with african transkei & cambodian what the hell are CEV's??????

5)grains are the way to go.

6)just be overly clean.


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Re: First grow completed. Now come the questions. [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5374073 - 03/07/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

CEV is short for Closed Eye Visual(s)


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Re: First grow completed. Now come the questions. [Re: requiem99]
    #5374147 - 03/07/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Alright, so with casings, do you need cakes to complete the casing(breaking them up) or can you do a casing without the proccess of making the cakes? also, how can a cube just be a cube? diffrent mushrooms will give you diffrent visuals/ trips. I can trip on one strain and get heavy visuals, and trip on another and get wavy, color visuals.


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Re: First grow completed. Now come the questions. [Re: SciaticGryphon]
    #5374171 - 03/07/06 12:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

a casing has to have spawn wheather it's cakes or grains.

a cubbie is a cubbie because they all grow on the same substrate and have roughly the same growth speed just all with very slight differences.

IMO a cubbie isn't exactly a cubbie. depends what you are looking for.


Edited by thenewguy05 (03/07/06 01:02 PM)


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Re: First grow completed. Now come the questions. [Re: SciaticGryphon]
    #5374175 - 03/07/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You can make casings out of PF cakes, or you can make them out of colonized grain such as Wild Bird Seed [wbs] or rye.

And the term "a cube is a cube" generally applies to the growth parameters, growth characteristics, and general potency (assuming the different strains are from the same substrate). It's an explanation generally used when newb cultivators ask questions like "what is the easiest, fastest, and most potent strain for a 1st timer to grow?"

:EDIT: yeah, thenewguy beat me to it, but the answer remains relatively the same.


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Re: First grow completed. Now come the questions. *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: requiem99]
    #6323810 - 12/01/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First grow completed. Now come the questions. [Re: Entheoddity]
    #6323859 - 12/01/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

They never grow very big on cakes....If you ever wanted to try your luck with a cake again i'd recommend useing rye flour as the nutrient and useing 500ml jar's with six injection sites 1/2 a cc in each site, they'll colonize just as fast as a 250ml jar but with the trade off of useing more spore solution.

Anywho, crumble and case your cakes.....CAKES! are a worthless use of time, they flush like absolute garbage when whole, by casing your dropping down their enviormental grow condition's by providing it with a water reserv for pin's to mature. You can use butter dishes to case in....

Here's a pic of a bunch of various strains, 500ml, crumbled, cased with 50/50verm/coir sitting ontop of 2inches of perlite in a home made FC with a coolmist pumping in humidity at 80rH%

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they were on their sixth flush, rye flour will produce on average three more flushes then brf, brf sucks, cakes suck, this is what you want to switch to....

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6319880/an/0/page/2

before I forget, the reason your shrooms turned out so small is either a nutrion problem or lack of moisture, shrooms are 92% water.....cakes whole require 92-95rH% for the best results.
or it could be a poor substrain issue, many factors.


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