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kaniz
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"Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics?
#5371183 - 03/06/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The other day, me and my boyfriend got talking about something which I find to be kind of interesting.
My boyfriend - does not like weed. There are /very/ few times in which he is able to smoke weed and enjoy it. I think out of the year+ that we have been together, he's 'enjoyed' it maybe 3 times. He very rarely smokes - as most times he gets a 'bad trip' from it for lack of a better word.
What he was saying - is every time he smokes weed, he'll just end up becomming very internalized and self-critical. Right now, he's not happy where he is with his job and desperatly wants to find a new one. He'll start to focus on all his little faults, and errors, and all the mistakes he's made in his life. He'll just start to dwell on these, focus on them, and eventually he'll end up passing out / sleeping.
However - he really enjoys mushrooms and LSD - and as long as he's been tripping with me, has never really had a 'bad trip'. He finds them fun, interesting, and rather insightful. He's had the odd trip where things have ended up being more intense then expected, or didnt 'enjoy' the trip for a various reason (ie: he found the last batch of LSD to feel 'dirty, edgy and too chemical' - and didnt enjoy it for that reason, but not a "bad trip").
I just find this interesting - as one would assume that if Weed gives him such a negative/bad expierence where he gets drawn into his own very self-critical world, that stronger substances like LSD or Mushrooms would just be 10x worse - however, thats not the case.
Just curious if anyone else is in a similar boat?
Edited by kaniz (03/06/06 03:13 PM)
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A0999
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: kaniz]
#5371231 - 03/06/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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kaniz said: What he was saying - is every time he smokes weed, he'll just end up becomming very internalized and self-critical.
i can completely understand what he is experiencing, Ive had very similar experiences.
pot makes me way fucking paranoid. especially when I'm around people that don't need to know I'm high.
honestly i can say that i hate pot. well, i hate smoking it. but i LOVE growing it.
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: A0999]
#5371324 - 03/06/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lose the boyfriend.
Get a man who can handle his weed!
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InTheFlesh714
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: Herbus]
#5371364 - 03/06/06 03:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Pot smoking with your signifigant other rules! LOSE HIM! im jk, but it is fun
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leery11
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: InTheFlesh714]
#5371376 - 03/06/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah dump him and go out with me!
No that's ludicrous, pot is overabused these days.... sounds like your BF is using it properly, but he just hasn't figured it out yet.
I TRIP sometimes.... trip trip trippity triple trip. So I've decided that for the most part weed is no longer a recreational drug. as for the bad sides, I can kind of relate. Weed can be quite a negative experience for me too.......... I had a terrible nightmare of a trip to hell where the TV created every single, literally every single, thought that was in my head for an entire 3 hour period once, at a party where I couldn't talk to anyone or do anything but just sit there and take it til I came down some.
So...............
why? Because LSD and mushrooms are serotogenic (and serotonin has a tendency to make you happy) whereas pot is... something else. Perhaps involving dopamine. Me franklly I've never been that giddy or happy on weed, except that night at that party, before I got way way way way too high I felt really goofy and neat.
So................
He shouldn't use it in a way that is not RECREATIONAL like ahhh shit lets light up a bowl and watch tv and eat food..... but rather he should sit alone in his room, smoke up to where it feels right, and lie down and see where the drug takes him.
He should also try eaitng low amounts, I don't get any thoughts at all really........ it's a neat way to consume.
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Edited by leery11 (03/06/06 04:03 PM)
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kaniz
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: InTheFlesh714]
#5371377 - 03/06/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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lol - I'd rather have a boyfriend who does LSD, Mushrooms, is open to trying new substances when I try them ie: he took part in the first time I did HBWR, and is curious to try new substances I bring around. Than someone who only smoked weed and didnt touch the rest.
Toss in the fact he'll also do MDMA, Ecstasy, GHB with me also 
And, he's 100% cool with my weed use and doesnt expect/want me to stop.
So, considering how many times in The Pub I've seen posts that are all "I met a girl, but she hates weed and wants me to stop, what should I do?" - I consider myself pretty damn lucky 
Sure, he doesnt smoke weed - but he doesnt mind if I do. Toss in the fact he'll do just about any other substance with me, I'd say I got it pretty good 
and then, theres also all of the non-drug related reasons
Edited by kaniz (03/06/06 04:03 PM)
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Muppet69_420
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: kaniz]
#5371410 - 03/06/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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kaniz said: The other day, me and my boyfriend got talking about something which I find to be kind of interesting.
My boyfriend - does not like weed. There are /very/ few times in which he is able to smoke weed and enjoy it. I think out of the year+ that we have been together, he's 'enjoyed' it maybe 3 times. He very rarely smokes - as most times he gets a 'bad trip' from it for lack of a better word.
What he was saying - is every time he smokes weed, he'll just end up becomming very internalized and self-critical. Right now, he's not happy where he is with his job and desperatly wants to find a new one. He'll start to focus on all his little faults, and errors, and all the mistakes he's made in his life. He'll just start to dwell on these, focus on them, and eventually he'll end up passing out / sleeping.
However - he really enjoys mushrooms and LSD - and as long as he's been tripping with me, has never really had a 'bad trip'. He finds them fun, interesting, and rather insightful. He's had the odd trip where things have ended up being more intense then expected, or didnt 'enjoy' the trip for a various reason (ie: he found the last batch of LSD to feel 'dirty, edgy and too chemical' - and didnt enjoy it for that reason, but not a "bad trip").
I just find this interesting - as one would assume that if Weed gives him such a negative/bad expierence where he gets drawn into his own very self-critical world, that stronger substances like LSD or Mushrooms would just be 10x worse - however, thats not the case.
Just curious if anyone else is in a similar boat?
Same here Im aware though that the paranoia isnt really "fatal" during it so I know nothing bad will happen but I cant change the mood im always paranoid but for reasons unknown I still smoke daily, for example I get wierd ideas about my heart rate or my kidneys are huring and if I dont stop shaking they'll blow, I found out later it wasnt the thought it was just the effects weed was giving me and I cant seem to ever get back to having mood-lifting high times, im not sure its because of mental issues but I do have a lot but im also care free to a very rough point. I love weed all to much and even though the trip is down right terrifying I feel that its just the way it is and wait till the high isnt as intense to start moving, or speak in crowds or to people I dont know. The bad thing is though every high is the same because of this, I never get mood-lifts or appreciations just confusion and a different perspective on life and a nice aftermath that finally gives the munchies and a feeling that my mind is being slow cooked , I do remember at one time having loads of fun and euphoria its a shame I dont care enough to change it even if I could since I still somehow love the high and its beyond me so theres no way i can explain something I dont know.
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: Muppet69_420]
#5371444 - 03/06/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Weed makes me more grandly paranoid than any other psychedelic I've used.
Instead of being worried about the neighbors and the cops, all of a sudden I become convinced the game show I'm watching is a government rigged lottery to control the lower class...only weed does that to me.
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VirgilKane
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: Kaleidoscope]
#5372320 - 03/06/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Same here. I'm not a regular smoker these days by any means, but when I do smoke it mostly gives me an internal turmoil that I really hate. Rarely it will give me a "high", but mostly just negative, introspective thoughts.
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fazdazzle
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: Kaleidoscope]
#5372859 - 03/06/06 11:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kaleidoscope said: Instead of being worried about the neighbors and the cops, all of a sudden I become convinced the game show I'm watching is a government rigged lottery to control the lower class...
I don't get paranoid about this, but I seem to instantly see through all the bullshit on tv and all the stereotypes and everything. It is kind of nice if I'm looking for an intelectual inquisitive high, but it's reeaal annoying if I'm just looking to have a good time with some buddies.
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: fazdazzle]
#5373097 - 03/07/06 12:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hence why i don't smoke weed and watch TV with buddies...haha
normally we just chill and talk...sometimes if we get some weed that gives us a bit of energy there's video games...or outside if it's nice
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: Kaleidoscope]
#5373140 - 03/07/06 12:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I used to love weed and id smoke about 2 grams everyday for almost a year, but after i tried mushrooms for the first time i started seeing smoking weed as a negative habit, especially since i have problems with my lungs now and they ache and feel..flattened out after a good smoke (bud, not a cig smoker) and a skin test came positive for tuberculosis so i want to get rid of that and im sure weed smoke doesnt help.
Now when i smoke weed i guess you can say i start out having unpleasant feelings.. my heart rate goes up, which never used to happen (at least not high enough to be a problem) and i get a slight feeling like im coming down from an uncomfortable mushroom trip. then i get very lazy for like a week.
this past weekend i smoked a few bowls on saturday morning and the middle of the day was kind of hazy and that night i ate my last 2 grams of shrooms. I had a very pleasant, nsightful trip and i literally felt like i found myslef..like the past two weeks i had been somewhat lost and wasnt quite the guy i used to/love to be. i felt that exact second when a switch in my head just got turned on and i became a different guy, the guy i really am and that was the start of an amazing mushroom experience. and im still radiating that glow of LIFE. WEED DOES NOT GIVE ME THAT. it seems like it sucks the life out of me more or less. anyone else feel like this?
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Edited by knowhereman (03/07/06 12:50 AM)
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nunciate
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: kaniz]
#5373172 - 03/07/06 01:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I can definately relate to this. And, in my experience, I'd have to say it all has to do with tolerance and social climate.
I used to smoke more or less constantly for years. Like, seven of them. Loved it. Then after a while I just sorta forgot to buy more one day. Wasn't that much of a priority. Didn't smoke for months. Then next time I did smoke turned into some psychedelic freak out.
It was not fun. I got very paranoid in an introspective way. I even had some dizziness and cold sweats. It was an "I need to lay down" sort of thing. People were worried. Not cool. So I stayed away from it, mostly, after that.
The times I tried it again were the same turn out except for once or twice, home alone with something to focus on (game, movie, whatever) and being by myself. Those times were acceptable, but still, the first 5 - 10min were a little unpleasant. And, in retrospect, it was always the first 5min or so that were rough, after that I was just stoned.
After talking it over with some friends, they convinced me to keep trying. Like, multiple times in one day. The first couple hits were the same, then after I got over it the high was pleasant once more. So, I bought a bag and the week or two that lasted me were just like old times.
Then I stopped again. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Skipping to the end: I can smoke occassionally and be fine now, but if it's good weed in a "busy" situation with a lot of people around, I get the Fear. But alone with something to focus on, I'm usually alright. For the most part, now I only use cannibus in conjuction with other drugs to either "kick them in" or "bring them back" i.e. mdma, shrooms and to a lesser extent, opiates.
Also, in comparison to a trip: I think a lot of the anxiety has to do with the rate at which it takes affect. A trip can be like wandering around and making your way to the edge of a cliff. Taking a big bong rip after being "clean" for 6mo can be like just flat out falling off a cliff you didn't even know was there.
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: kaniz]
#5373296 - 03/07/06 03:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ive had that for awhile, i used it as a tool, and kept getting high, the weed brings the subconcious into the concious for you to deal with [make sure you write stuff down, and do it alone at first] Once your able to deal with it when high, when your not high it will be much easier when its not as close to the frontline. Now i just get High as a motherfucker again, and nothing bothers me.
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Shimen
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Re: "Bad Trips" from Weed, but not other psychedelics? [Re: fresh313]
#5373391 - 03/07/06 06:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here is something really fucked up for ya. When i was like 15 (I was a huge pot head :0) well anyway, i got ahold of a joint that i latter found out was laced with heroin. Well to make a long story short i had a terribly bad experiance and ever since then when i do smoke weed i cannot smoke alot because i will start feeling the same feelings that i felt with the Heroin joint. Intense Burning Sensations all over my skin and i was like As white as white can get even my lips had no color in them. very scary i thought i was going to die. It literally felt like that. but Hey i still smoke weed I like the shit. But i don't smoke as much as i used to
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