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InvisibleSam1912
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Re: My theory on getting over bad trips that just keep coming back. Need your opinions please. [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #6122926 - 10/01/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

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CaptainCrunch said:
First to say this is an anxiety problem is wrong, this sort of problem comes with the territory, BTW we obviously already have some sort of problems to have to escape reality in such a way.




almost sounds like a propaganda slogan. "people have problems, so they use drugs."

No, I disagree. I'm willing to bet close to 2 decades of experience and observation that nearly all of people trip because they want have fun experiencing something more than sober night can provide, NOT because they have a problem and need to escape it. Get that straight through your head before you try to give advice or correct other people. This is an enhancement not replacement and we all know it.

If you use mushrooms or LSD to escape your problems, I highly suggest you stop. Problems will still be here when drug wears off.


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Edited by Sam1912 (10/01/06 10:27 PM)


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Re: My theory on getting over bad trips that just keep coming back. Need your opinions please. [Re: Sam1912]
    #6122945 - 10/01/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 3 months ago)

dead on sam1912

The captain was not making much sense there.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.


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Re: My theory on getting over bad trips that just keep coming back. Need your opinions please. [Re: yageman]
    #6123482 - 10/02/06 05:17 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

if anyone has read alice in wonderland or alice through the looking glass, you can see that it is laid out pretty plainly.
metaphorically. but the priciples are plain.
naturally each person sees something else.

our mental contents differ, but our mental mechanism is the same.
underneath personality, the mind operates associatively, and it build memories associatively.

in the dream (or on a trip) when something comes up that you do or don't like, by reacting to it, you add associations.
all very well for what you do like but very frustrating for what you don't like.

in the external world you can walk away form a mess, and you can approach beauty.
in the dream world (or looking glass world) walking away is the same as approaching.
either reaction adds associations, and associations make the mental form more likely to reccur whenever what it is associated with is present.

if you are horrified by something, just being worried about becoming horrified will begin the associative process that invokes the mind form that you are horrified about.

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so, the first few times you trip you can experience things like a child without associations, they are new things. Then you integrate your experiences over time and build associations by integrating them, and you assimilate the magical reactive psychedelic process.

tripping after that can get rocky since the slate is no longer blank, your experiences in the looking glass world make you more familiar and less childlike.

To avoid the clenching of the mind, you need to relax, almost constantly, and you need to be aware of the ongoing associative matrix process that overrides movement which is possible in the external world. Relaxed and detatched is the direction to move, relaxed and detatched is the thing to build associations with.

In that way when you are medicined-up (as a peyote church leader friend that I know calls it); when you are medicined up you can also heal.


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InvisibleLordSenate
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Re: My theory on getting over bad trips that just keep coming back. Need your opinions please. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #6123784 - 10/02/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

well to be perfectly honest i only had a few "bad" trips when i was younger, not knowing what was going to happen. i dont think me getting older has anything to do with me not having any trips that were negative for almost eight years now..

I think it all has to do with my mindset. I look at everything in a positive manner, even if its something i dislike, i try and find some good in it. Make the best of every situation, this is something i put in my everyday life. Expect the worst, but hope for the best, so your not suprised if something doesnt work out how you want.

This helps me keep a positive mind set. When i go into a trip, i dont think about how its going to change how i feel. I dont think about, or worry about the trip not going according to "plan", or going negatively. I just trip, i dont think about useless things. In letting go of alot of these things, i get rid of alot of the anxiety in everyday life, as well as tripping..

This is how I personally do not have negative trips.

I AM THE MAN, DRUGS WILL NOT BREAK ME.
MY EGO WILL NOT BE BROKEN, AS MY EGO IS UNBREAKABLE.
I AM ME, I AM COMFORTABLE WITH MYSELF AND WHO I AM.
NO DRUG OR HALLUCENOGENIC WILL EVER CHANGE THAT!


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Re: My theory on getting over bad trips that just keep coming back. Need your opinions please. [Re: LordSenate]
    #6123800 - 10/02/06 09:20 AM (17 years, 3 months ago)

Also, I forgot to mention...

This attitude by all means, DOES NOT mean that I do not take anything I learn in a trip OR in real life, and build off of it. If I see anything that I dislike about how I am or, or what I am doing, I simply change that which bothers me. Its that easy for me. I constantly build on myself and my attitude as well as my outlook on life, and I honestly believe that it makes me a better person in the end. But I will not be broken, I will take everything in stride, and take whatever things I learn, as just that something new.


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Re: My theory on getting over bad trips that just keep coming back. Need your opinions please. [Re: MOTH]
    #10122820 - 04/07/09 11:51 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

i have been smoking marihuana 1 year and a half, for the last year and a half, I've had the most amazing experiences, marihuana change my life, my way of thinking, seeing, hearing, interpreting things.But the last 2 months when I smoke I've been gettin anxious, negative thoughts, when I say negative thoughts it means that people dislike me, afraid of being myself beacuase of what they think of me, afraid of being ridiculous, afraid people don't like me for who I am, so when I'm with people I got very quite, I barely talk. I feel very insecure of my self, what can i do to improve ?..I really LOVE to smoke weed and can someone please give me your advice ? I really need it, help one of your peers to get along with weed again..

I've had like 4 bad trips, thinking that I couldn´t breathe, feeling that nothing is real. I'm telling you all what I feel so you can help me =)..How can I discover the "roots" of all these ? How can I change this experiences to a better ones ? I want to understand what, why,  how, when..I want know what is wrong and how can I change it.!

heeelllpp !!


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Re: My theory on getting over bad trips that just keep coming back. Need your opinions please. [Re: real thang]
    #10123654 - 04/07/09 02:35 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Well, bud.( pun intended )

First off, you replied to a post that is 3 yrs old.

Woulda been better to just make your own thread.

As far as the weed smoke goes.

I had the reverse... When I first started smoking, I would be really anxious and paranoid, after smoking multiple times daily for many years, It went away.

I am not sure what to tell you, Good advice would be to stop smoking for a month or two, then toke up again, see if it is different.

Have you ever tried any psychedelics?


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[quote]sploogepanz55 said:
^^^ haha what a bummer, shad0w. All this talk about dying. :smile:
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[quote]psychoanomaly said:
And so, I feel your intolerance and phobia towards rectal administration of psychedelics is a violation of the music of the spheres :rolleyes:[/quote]

[quote]shroom_sandwich said:
I could have sworn I seen a thread about a guy saying his dog killed the neighbors chickens earlier....[/quote]


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Re: My theory on getting over bad trips that just keep coming back. Need your opinions please. [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #10132483 - 04/08/09 07:29 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Yea this exact thing happened to me and I overcame it by just constantly thinking about good trips and how I want the trip to go until it eventually becomes a good trip. Once you realize you have this ability its real hard to get stuck in bad trips because just knowing you can direct yourself right out of it tends prevent them from happening in the first place. It took a good few trips though not just 3 or 4 I think it was on my 7th trip. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger a few bad trips never hurt anyone.


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Re: My theory on getting over bad trips that just keep coming back. Need your opinions please. [Re: Sam1912]
    #15006130 - 08/31/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

You may see this post in more than one thread but I'm trying to spread the world about I myself find most helpful for a bad trip:

I haven't read through all of this thread but I have found 3 things that are great to pull you out of a bad trip ( because they can happen even if ur in a great mind set and an experienced tripper )

1)  the song here comes the sun by the beatles on your ipod. im not a beatles fan but this song does wonders for the head

2)  nature and changing scenes. If ur inside and not feelin it go outside and vice versa. A nice park on a nice puffy cloud day is great. Nature is not only great for a trip but it can help a bad one

3)  ICE !!!! I've pulled my friends out of bad trips with it and myself.  Run an ice cube all over your face. This refreshment and shock of it just seems to snap your brain out of a bad place. Out of the 3 I just mentioned I think ice works the best :smile:

Enjoy. Be safe.


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