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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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God alone knows God
    #5370157 - 03/06/06 08:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Whenever you think about God, the thinking itself is a form made of awareness or mind, even though you claim that you are thinking about formless God. You can never think any thing, which is formless because your thinking itself is a form. The form may have some specific boundaries like a statue. The form may not have specific boundaries like air or water. But the air or water also has some regular or irregular boundaries since the air or water has certain limits. You call the space as formless object. But the space has some limitations somewhere and you do not perceive those limits. Such limits may not be perceived but certainly exist. Therefore, the concept of your formless object has some boundaries, which are either irregular or not perceived. When you think God as awareness (Chit), the awareness is mind, which is nervous energy. Energy is in the form of waves and thus cannot be formless. According to the special theory of relativity of Einstein, the space is also a form of energy because space exhibits the property of bending. In that case, the space also cannot be formless. Even if you consider the space as infinite vacuum, you are aware of the space. Such awareness itself means that space has become a form of awareness or mental energy. Therefore, strictly speaking there is no formless object in the creation. You are calling the object, which has either irregular or infinite boundaries, which are imagined, as formless. Since, such formless object also is a form in strict sense. Formless concept is impossible.

Therefore, whether you say that God created the space or God created the energy in the beginning, both statements mean the same because space is also a form of energy only. Veda said that Para Brahman created the space in the beginning (Atmana Akasah..). The Veda says again that Para Brahman created energy in the beginning (Tat Tejo..). Both the Vedic statements mean the same in terms of the latest concept of Science. However, let such space or energy be called as formless God in your language. Even to think such formless God, it becomes very very difficult for any ordinary human being. Even a scholar cannot maintain such concept in his mind for a long time. Even if you maintain such concept, such God is not the absolute God because absolute God is completely unimaginable as per Veda and Gita (Yasyaa matam?., Mamtu Veda Na?). God imagined as space or awareness (mental energy) is not the absolute the God, who is beyond space and awareness. Veda says that God created space. Veda says that God is beyond awareness. The creator is always beyond the creation. Even in the absence of the creation, the creator must exist. According to Brahma Sutras, God is the cause of this Universe as creator and is the material cause also. The pot maker is the creator of the pot. The mud is the material cause of the pot. Even in the absence of pot, the pot maker and the mud exist. Therefore, God existed even before the creation of the Universe.

The pot maker and mud exists even after the destruction of the pot. Similarly, after the destruction of the world also God must exist. Similarly God must exist before the creation of the space and after the dissolution of the space. You can never imagine the situation, which is before the creation or after dissolution of space. Your intelligence cannot cross the special dimensions and therefore cannot cross the concept of space. That means you can never imagine the God. Veda says that God alone knows God (Brahma vit Brahmaiva?).

Therefore, when you imagine God as the all-pervading space, such imagination itself is an item of creation only. Such imagination is only the incarnation of the God. When you imagine Him as space, God has entered the space and God is in the space. Similarly, if you imagine God as all pervading energy, you have imagined the energy only in which God is present. Therefore, you perceive God as space or inert energy or mental energy (awareness) and such form of God is only the incarnation of God in the form of space or inert energy or awareness. This means you can perceive only the incarnation of God and never the absolute God.

At Thy Lotus Feet

Anil Antony

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Universal Spirituality for World Peace
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InvisibleEgo Death
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Re: God alone knows God [Re: dattaswami]
    #5371531 - 03/06/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

>>>God alone knows God

If God alone knows God then how do you know that God alone knows God
? :confused:


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Re: God alone knows God [Re: Ego Death]
    #5371994 - 03/06/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Good point. :grin:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


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Re: God alone knows God [Re: Ego Death]
    #5372113 - 03/06/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

danoEoboy said:
>>>God alone knows God

If God alone knows God then how do you know that God alone knows God
? :confused:




Because I AM God.


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Re: God alone knows God [Re: MystikMushroom]
    #5373767 - 03/07/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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MystikMushroom said:
Because I AM God.




Then how does he know it? :lol:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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Re: God alone knows God [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5373779 - 03/07/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They're buddies. :grin:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


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InvisibleMystikMushroom
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Re: God alone knows God [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5375424 - 03/07/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Because, I have realized my own divinity. I may not every fully understand it...but I've had a glimpse here and there of it :wink:


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Re: God alone knows God [Re: MystikMushroom]
    #5375442 - 03/07/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes but there's more about it, of course God is in all of us, and that every each of us have got to a different level in feeling Him, but we still have more to go. Because every time you understand more, you also become more and more aware of how much is out there. At least, every time I do that, I also see I have still SOO much to learn.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:


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InvisibleMystikMushroom
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Re: God alone knows God [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5379290 - 03/08/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
Yes but there's more about it, of course God is in all of us, and that every each of us have got to a different level in feeling Him, but we still have more to go. Because every time you understand more, you also become more and more aware of how much is out there. At least, every time I do that, I also see I have still SOO much to learn.




Indeed brother! INDEED! Every door you discover and traverse, you discover more doors, and more after that...it is a never-ending infinite ammount of information and knowledge.

Existance in and of itself is a paradox--plain and simple. Enlightened folks have the ability to adjust their consciousness to a diffrent, over-arching viewpoint that enables the paradox to be understood.

The same thing happends when a person respectfully and carefully uses a power-plant for shamanic education  :thumbup:


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