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Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq"
    #5369495 - 03/06/06 01:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Amnesty International has said that thousands of detainees held by the multinational forces in Iraq are still being denied their basic rights.

The group said the lessons of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal appeared to have been ignored and reports of torture continued to "pour out of Iraq".

It said it based its findings on interviews with former inmates.

US and British officials insist that prisoners are treated in accordance with international standards.

The report says the multinational forces and Iraqi authorities must take urgent steps to stop human rights abuses if there is to be any hope of halting Iraq's slide towards increasing violence and sectarianism.

Amnesty says in its 48-page report that thousands of Iraqis are being held without charge or trial.

The report mentions the case of one detainee, Kamal Muhammad, a 43-year-old father of 11 held without charge by US forces for over two years.

"His brother reports that he has received insufficient food and has lost some 20 kilos in weight in prison," Amnesty says.

Other prisoners were released "without explanation or apology or reparation after months in detention".

There has also been increasing evidence of torture of detainees by the Iraqi security forces, despite various scandals and promises of investigation and proper treatment.

Former detainees told Amnesty they had been beaten with plastic cables, given electric shocks and made to stand in a flooded room as an electrical current was passed through the water.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4777214.stm


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: Alex213]
    #5370435 - 03/06/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What constitutes 'torture' is a matter of semantics. If people in the employ of or as 'allies' of the U.S. of G.B. are engaged in certain actions, these action are at the most, 'extreme interrogation techniques.' If the same actions are used against people who are in the employ of the U.S., G.B. or their allies, the same actions may constitute 'torture.'

Let us be clear on this, THE U.S. DOESN'T TORTURE. It is semantically impossible. Hope this clears things up.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: Alex213]
    #5371253 - 03/06/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If they really wanted to torture them, reading your posts would be mandatory.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5371699 - 03/06/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Would giving a man shrooms and making him have a bad trip be considered torture? Cause damn, I have had some HELLISH trips. Shit that made me want to blow my brains out.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: downforpot]
    #5373242 - 03/07/06 01:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Torture Smorture. You cant get all the answers with a cup of tea and a few questions.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: AaronEvil]
    #5374463 - 03/07/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

if they think it's ok to plant ied's next to the road and blow people up indiscriminately, kidnap and murder innocent by-standards and blow up buildings just because they are the same religion but not quite, then it's ok for us to torture the ever living shit out of them.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: iateshaggy]
    #5374634 - 03/07/06 03:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

if they think it's ok to plant ied's next to the road and blow people up indiscriminately, kidnap and murder innocent by-standards and blow up buildings just because they are the same religion but not quite, then it's ok for us to torture the ever living shit out of them.





To put that a little in perspective...I guess it is ok for a country to invade another country that poses no threat to them? Were there were no WMD and which had nothing to do with OBL. White Phosphorous, which was used by the US army, does kill discriminately, doesn't it.

I can not understand how anyone can say that torturing is ok.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: iateshaggy]
    #5374907 - 03/07/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

iateshaggy said:
if they think it's ok to plant ied's next to the road and blow people up indiscriminately, kidnap and murder innocent by-standards and blow up buildings just because they are the same religion but not quite, then it's ok for us to torture the ever living shit out of them.



What if they were innocent civilians at the wrong place at the wrong time and were rounded up by the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan or caught in the crossfire of an Iraqi death squad and captured anyway for bounty? Is the torture still okay or does "shit just happen?"


Edited by bukkake (03/07/06 06:25 PM)


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: bukkake]
    #5375355 - 03/07/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Your rights are an illusion. In reality you have little to none. You cannot exist in society without money and are therefor enslaved by it. You must abide by the fuckin law, made by the "morale" fuckin majority, your right to FREEDOM be damned. Ridiculous obtuse morality, governs all western society. You do not even have the right to start a religion. They will call it a cult. The bible was written by MAN.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: Dmonikal]
    #5375405 - 03/07/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Dmonikal said:The bible was written by MAN.


Christians readily admit it was written by man. Its obious, the writing styles are different, and the authors are different for the different books. They simply think it was influenced by god. Other religions claim their holy book was written by god.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: DieCommie]
    #5375420 - 03/07/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"They simply think it was influenced by god"

Wishful thinking, huge amounts consider it word for word truth. Same with muslims and the Koran. If you will not even question what you are told, you are a slave.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: Dmonikal]
    #5375436 - 03/07/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Why do you think the bibles books have names? Matthew, Mark, Luke, John? Those are the authors. Everyone (most) knows that, except you apparently.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: DieCommie]
    #5375450 - 03/07/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, but who put together the book and who left what out?


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: DieCommie]
    #5375463 - 03/07/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
Why do you think the bibles books have names? Matthew, Mark, Luke, John? Those are the authors.



Not necessarily. The authorship of the Gospel of John is unknown, and has been attributed to John the apostle, though it was almost certainly written too late for that to be the case.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: Silversoul]
    #5375473 - 03/07/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Just the most amusing stories were put in the bible. There is much that was not. Of course the creation of christianity could have been a simple plan to enslave humanity. It sure worked didn't it?


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: Dmonikal]
    #5375476 - 03/07/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Dmonikal said:
Yes, but who put together the book and who left what out?


Some old catholic dude I suppose.  Depends on what version your referencing.

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Paradigm said:
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DieCommie said:
Why do you think the bibles books have names?  Matthew, Mark, Luke, John?  Those are the authors.



Not necessarily.  The authorship of the Gospel of John is unknown, and has been attributed to John the apostle, though it was almost certainly written too late for that to be the case.


  Good to know  :thumbup:

The fact remains that Christians know the books were written by man correct?


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: Dmonikal]
    #5375482 - 03/07/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Dmonikal said:
Just the most amusing stories were put in the bible. There is much that was not. Of course the creation of christianity could have been a simple plan to enslave humanity. It sure worked didn't it?


Considering most people are not christian, Id say no... It didnt work.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: DieCommie]
    #5375498 - 03/07/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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DieCommie said:
The fact remains that Christians know the books were written by man correct?



Sort of. I don't think anyone believes that God actually picked up a pen and wrote it himself, but the more fundamentalist groups believe that God dictated the Bible to the authors who wrote it down, and that it is therefore the infallible word of God.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: bukkake]
    #5376027 - 03/07/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

our military didn't ask to go there and i can promise they don't enjoy being there. i know for the most part no one made them join the military but the military did force them to go to iraq. that said, now they are there and they do need to finish the job. having not been there none of us have the right to say how they should do their job to minimize death. they are fighting in a war, not writing a paper for their college ethics class.


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Re: Amnesty: "reports of torture pour out of Iraq" [Re: iateshaggy]
    #5376956 - 03/08/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Then again you can't just let a bunch of two-bit redneck peckerwoods loose with a gun in civilian areas and let them do whatever they want. They have to have some control.


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