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demon2091tb
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Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip.
#5368664 - 03/05/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm planning on going solo here soon, at most i'll only be eating a 1/16, but its still enough to throw me for a loop. I thought about taking them tonight but i don't feel confident enough, and anxiety about actually doing them keeps getting me, its a feeling that i have, so i decided against doing them tonight.
My last trip was a 1/16, and it got me pretty nausious(did get sick), ALOT of mindfuck, and minor visuals.
Is there anyway to get rid of a bit of the anxiety i'm having or is there anyway to push through the anxiety so that i can take them, and no worry the least bit?
Would i be more at ease if i had a sitter than alone........how do you normally combat anxiety or beforehand nervousness and such, as right now i feel it being the most negative feelings i'm feeling......possibly from not knowing what will or could happen.
Should i take a .5g or 1g and see how i do? I'd really rather wade into the shrooms than jump in the deep end of the experience, but i still wonder if 1g isint going to be too much for me, because 1/16 was a rather intense mindfuck for me.
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: demon2091tb]
#5369151 - 03/05/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I definately get pre-shroom anxiety as well. There are two ways I, personally, have become more confident. One way is that I eat them and force myself to go through nausea and the more often I eat them the more used to them I become. I've actually eaten them a few times a week. I also remember that nausea and vomiting is very common and also can be a healing experience where you can expel the negativity from your body. If you get sick and vomit it's because there's things in you that need to come out... this can be metephorically, spiritually.. yada yada. I'm not too good at explaining. Another way I have learned to have a nice trip without sickness is to eat them slowly. I will eat about two or three shrooms (I was eating cyanescens) and wait about 30-45 minutes and then eat a few more and so on until I was feeling confident enough to eat more. Sometimes it's good to just eat a couple and let them soak in your mouth for as long as you can handle (munch teeny bits until it dissolves). I've also had the privilage to eat them fresh and that is my favorite way to do it. Drink lots of water with it and don't worry much about food. I find food upsets my stomach if I eat during or after I take the shrooms. I do fine if I eat a little bit beforehand. IMHO. ~Nico~
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: demon2091tb]
#5369441 - 03/06/06 12:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You made the right decision. You really shouldn't ever trip until you're fully prepared for a psychedelic experience. That's my short answer.
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: Land_Crab]
#5369502 - 03/06/06 01:22 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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it would be up to you and how comfortable you are with yourself. i personally like to have someone who is not tripping but am thinking of doing it myself here soon cuz i like being alone better because people have fucked with me and i get trust issues.
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: Casualty]
#5369983 - 03/06/06 07:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I find that having a drink or two or smoking some weed can help take off some of the pre-trip anxiety. Dont get ripped or wasted - as that can distract from the trip. But, it can help take a bit of the anxiety away.
Also, to help combat neasuea. Things I find that help.
1. Chew the mushrooms really well before swallowing, or powder them. I find if its already broken down a bit before I swallow, it makes it easier for my stomach to digest and causes less problems.
2. Space out the dose over a period of time. Instead of eating 3g at once, eat 1g at a time spread out over 10-15 mins.
3. Dont eat for a few hours before tripping - but have a light snack (ie: just a small sandwhich) before you eat the mushrooms. I find having a stomach that is /too/ empty, or /too/ full can cause me to feel sick.
4. Smoking a bit of weed can help kill naussea. It can also help kick up the intensity of the trip a bit if its being a bit weak.
5. Ginger - can get this from most health food stores. You can get it pre-capped, as a tea, whatever. Ginger is great for helping stop an upset stomach
or .. simply
6. Throw up.
Especially once you're starting to trip and the mushrooms have kicked in, some times just biting the bullet and throwing up is the best way to stop feeling sick. While you may have a short period of really condensed uncomfort while throwing up. You'll feel /SO/ much better after, and its far better then spending the next 3-4 hours feeling ill and fighting the urge to vomit.
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: demon2091tb]
#5370290 - 03/06/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Never eat fresh mushrooms. Those kill my stomach. I have found if you grind up dried mushrooms to a powder then mix with some juice and drink it real quick it saves alot of stomach pain. If your worried about anxiety, take a xanax or valium, personally I like it. Its like excitment that something crazy is about to happen.
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demon2091tb
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: gratefulgere]
#5372314 - 03/06/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have dried 1/16, have only ever eaten dried, never had the chance for a wet dose.
I was sitting around thinking about this thread and i rememeber that Kaniz, you mentioned going ahead and purging myself to get the sick feeling out of me, how long after ingestion should this be done, if done at all.
I'm still having a pretty hard time getting my nerves up to even eat a .5g, The night after i posted this thread i ended up smoking a little, and i ate a little bit of the shake that i had at the bottom of my shroom bag, i got anxiety from thinking about this as well, as well as more anxiety when i thought i might have been feeling some effects from the shake (Not sure if real effects or just some mental placebo).
I'm really wanting to trip, but i'm not mentally sure if i'll ever be ready again. Whenever i'm about to do it i back out because i feel myself getting very warm in my face, and such, from the anxiety of going through with it.
The first time i had tripped, in which i had no problems eating them i ate them rather quick (should have chewed up alot more) and took a really quick shower, then smoked a bowl with my friend on my come up, to me then it was much easier than now, possibly because then i wasn't sure what was going to happen, and now i do.
Can anyone help me with my anxiety problems, as i never really have any anxiety problems except when it comes to this.
Am i afraid of what i may find in my head?
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: demon2091tb]
#5372365 - 03/06/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"Am i afraid of what i may find in my head?"
I'm thinking that deep down this is why you want to trip! It's just that those kinds of thoughts are keeping you from getting there. Loosing control is scary, but that's the main part of tripping IMO...letting your mind run free and seeing what it does with that freedom. There is nothing realer than those thoughts as you start to come up, I know.
I would recommend doing as little as you feel comfortable doing until you get the hang of how it works solo.
Just getting a feel of how your mind is gonna react is a major hurdle to cross. Get comfortable with that and you're on your way.
As for when to puke or shit or piss or whatever...give yourself the freedom to do these things when you feel like it!
Be nice to yourself and LET GO!!!!
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kaniz
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: VirgilKane]
#5372483 - 03/06/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hrmm, I'm not 100% sure - I'd venture a guess if you are allready feeling/seeing the mushrooms - then it'd be a safe bet that you can vomit and not 'miss out' on what is left in there.
However, seeing as if they are fairly well chewed, and done on a reasonibly empty stomach, you should be peaking within an hour - I'd say try and keep things down for an hour.
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: kaniz]
#5372584 - 03/06/06 10:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I say you spend a good while meditating before you dose and not make such a big deal about the whole situation- from the moment you grab your shrooms to the time you are tripping. look at it as a spiritual experience to finding yourself and the truth within yourself. have an empty stomach, but im not saying dont eat anything all day. I like to eat an orange ( those tangelo oranges) while im eating my shrooms) After you eat them occupy yourself with something you like and let time fly by you, read a book maybe or play an instrument. Have everything youll need prepared for when it starts kicking in.
If you know what youre doing solo trips can be very good for you.
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: knowhereman]
#5372688 - 03/06/06 10:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks all for the replies.
Its so easy to think about letting go ahead of time and all, but another story when it comes time.
Since earlier when i posted my first post today, i've been testing the water slightly, i've taken 2 different amounts about 15mins apart, i dont have a scale on hand or own one, so i've eyed out mabey .25g total i think, and cut them up and ate them.
I didn't feel much at all but at one point i did feel a slight energy in my body, followed by another rush of anxiety. I'm not sure really how much it was, but i do know i felt the slightest of something coming, but i'm somewhat sure its over now.
If i redose what type of timeframe will redosing again still build on the effects, at any dose amount or level?
I hate to be wading in this slow, as it makes me feel rather low, but i'm going to take my time and try to become accustomed to these little gifts of ours and enjoy them.
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: demon2091tb]
#5372743 - 03/06/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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the best way to lessen nausea or prevent it altogether is to make the mushrooms into a tea (discarding the actual mushrooms, only drinking the tea). come on a bit stronger and faster, and ends quicker also. both good things IMO.
tea is the only way to take mushrooms IMO.
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Normally when I trip, I do get pre-trip jitters. However, it is more of an excitment than an anxiety.
I recall my 1st time on LSD - /everyone/ was telling me not to do it. Was at an outdoor 3-day rave, and people were all 'oh, its not a safe spot to do it here, what if something goes wrong?' and being all paranoid.
I was in a good mood, and decided to do it anyways - sure. I was nervous, I was anxious - but it was 99.9% excitment to see what was going to happen next. I had read /so/ much about LSD, I was just downright excited to see what was going to be in store for me.
And well - I still get the same pre-trip jitters, and I've done mushrooms more times then I can recall in the last 2 or so years, and LSD about 10+ times now.
I guess the trick is - learning to channel that anxious energy into excitment instead of fear.
And ^^ true to the above. Make a tea, just be carefull to not over-boil the mushrooms or you can lose some potency. A big part of the stomach discomfort with mushrooms, is your stomach trying to digest the plant material. But, if you drink it in a tea - you wont have any fiber matter to try and digest.
As for re-dosing, can re-dose non-stop if you like. Once you start peaking however, you may need to increase the ammount that you re-dose to get much of a noticable increase in effects. However, I have extended trips out to be like 8-10 hours by constnatly re-dosing over the course of the night.
Generally when I trip, I'll eat my initial dose, and then at around 30 mins, and 60 mins in - I'll re-dose a bit more to up the level a bit. Now and then that initial dose may be enough and i dont want any more. But, quite frequently its always just a bit below where I want to be so I'll up it in small ammounts.
Although, I'm curious to what is making you feel anxious. Is it just a fear of whats comming up? are you paranoid that you are going to get caught? a fear of the unknown?
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: kaniz]
#5373748 - 03/07/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i've had 4 different kinds of shrooms at 4 different times, and i've NEVER even felt the slightest bit like throwing up. i always smoke a bowl on the come up, it really helps with anxiety/sickness.
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: duggan18]
#5374359 - 03/07/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Last night after i made this post i'll honestly say that i felt the amount that i ate, definently no visuals, not much of a drastic perception change that i felt my first time, but i definently felt some mental effects, more of the at first sense of happiness, well being and all, then i'd feel while flipping through the channels on the TV, and i'd stop on something somewhat violent, i'd get a little bit of a feeling over me, somewhat like i felt vibes coming off of the show. I eventually turned the TV off because i realized that there is way too much violent shows on TV, and i just chose not to watch them anymore right then. I found that while i would watch a show, they put a little bit of a fear in me, that i normally never feel. So i definently think i felt them.
I took the first amount around 11:15-11:20pm, i redosed at aruond 12:15, i think the 2nd amount i took i more drastically felt than the first and IIRC it was around 12:40-12:50am that i felt them, i fell asleep at 3am. From around 12:30-1:30/2am, i had a feeling of loosing time, that my internal clock was out of wack.
As far as my overall anxiousness, i really think its a combination of a few differnt things, what could be coming, and fear of the unknown.
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: demon2091tb]
#5374481 - 03/07/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i get nauseous every time i trip. used to throw up every time i tripped. throwing up sucks when you are tripping, but i always just accepted it as part of my trip. but one time when i was tripping, at the first sign of nausea i decided to try taking some pepto. it worked like a charm and i dont trip without it now.
tv usually sucks for me while tripping. if you feel like watching something, try a movie. something funny. most disney cartoons work well. my favorite is alice in wonderland for obvious reasons. ive found that popping in a movie like that and watching it as you come up helps a bit with the anxiety. gives you something to take your mind off the fact that you just took drugs and are waiting for them to kick in.
i usually only make it about half way through the movie before i wander off outside or off to other ventures. some chill music with some headphones is also nice to ease into the trip. anxiety is a problem for a lot of people when tripping, but ive found that its really only an issue early on in the trip while im coming up. once im tripping im into the trip and most anxiety is out the window.
my suggestion it to find something to do that you enjoy while you are coming into your trip. weather it be a movie, some tunes, drawing, writing.....what ever. thats my advice, its what works for me.
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: demon2091tb]
#5374520 - 03/07/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i used to get anxious / nervous / nauseous when i took shrooms, but heres what i do now
1.meditate for a good 20-30min before 2.smoke a very small bowl 3.ingest (usually powedered)
so far this has done me wonders compared to what i used to do. which was sit around getting nervous while staring at this bag of shrooms. the longer i would wait to take them, the worse it would get. now i make sure after they are powdered, i put away all things related to shrooms (coffee grinder, baggies, excess shrooms i'm not going to take), and put the ones im going to take in the fridge. i find that if i don't see em around, it's easier for me to relax and i dont get anxious.
i'd suggest after you end up eating them just lying down in a dark room with some soothing music, and not trying so much to analyze how the shrooms are affecting you. let your mind do its thing .
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: bobjones]
#5374837 - 03/07/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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anxiety is normal man. just sit back and relax for the day before you trip than that night take an amount your comfertable with and just keep in mind man, the worst that can happen is death....i dont mean your gonna die i mean if things were to go as wronge as they possibly can youd die and be in eteral rest and blissfull unawarness. as you come up its normal to feel a little like "what did i do" but just keep busy and relaxed and it will pass, youll have a great time man, i know it.
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: Nirvana7]
#5375395 - 03/07/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some people are just naturally prone to anxiety (like me.) I suggest you find something else that makes you nervous (that you can easily replicate), and practice deep breathing and relaxation exercises. If nothing easily makes you nervous, you can even put the mushrooms out without eating any and pretend you took them, and if you imagine hard enough, you will start to feel anxious. Then, combat this anxiety with deep breathing and relaxation. Once it comes time to actually take the shrooms, you'll be able to combat the anxiety through what you've practiced.
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Re: Pretrip Anxiety, solo trip. [Re: Cykon]
#5383720 - 03/09/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well sorry to bump this back up, but i think i've finally understood a few epiphanies during my little mini .5g trip.
1)There is way too much violence on TV, and in society in general. *As i flipped through the channels for almost an hr i found that every station in some way shape or form, was full of violence, i couldn't stand even watching it anymore after finding this out for myself. 2)I'm spinning out of control with my drug use, and have since my trip, decided to quit smoking pot. 3)I need more social contact, and to hang out with my friends more than just at work. *My cat was in the same room i was while i tripped on my .5g (if you consider it tripping at all), the whole while he wanted to go outside so he consistantly poked the door and all, i found that he wanted out so much, but i felt that if i let him out i'd be lonely, and i feared being lonely at the stage i was in, to me it was a way to tell me i need more social contact, besides coming home from work, sitting in front of the tv, and being a hermit.
Since my trip i've stopped smoking pot completely, and plan to keep it that way for a good while, or at least untill i feel my life is back on track, and i can keep it for special times, so that it dosent loose its powers.
I really think i've gotten something from this trip that has really helped me, and i intend on using them like this from now on.
This was only my 2nd trip, and i'm really happy that i've realized my drug use has gotten out of hand, and putting myself back on track, and i'm very happy that i'm doing this for myself, and for the wellbeing of myself.
You shouldn't use psychadellics if you don't intend on learning something from them right?
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