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60 Minutes Tonight
    #5368081 - 03/05/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm just watching it waiting for the Marc Emery part to come on.

Theres a big piece about the torture of detainees in Afghanistan. One of the detainees was chained to the wall and beaten until his legs were pulpified. This from the American Medical Examiner. The ME said his legs were so badly injured that if he had survived, his legs would have been amputated.

Fucking Sick. Those soldiers over there deserve ever bullet, IED and ambush they get.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5368095 - 03/05/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i hope you watch it with an open mind, because thats a pretty harsh thing to say.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: roby000]
    #5368182 - 03/05/06 06:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Very harsh and very broad. Punishing the group for the bad ones. Good thing your oppion dosn't mean squat


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Turn]
    #5368201 - 03/05/06 06:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Good thing for them, sure.

You can continue your "Support the Troops" shit for as long as you want.

Fact is, every person on that show knew what they were doing was wrong and did it anyway. You can only use the "I was only following orders" thing for so long. Theres got to be a limit on how mcuh shit you can pawn off that way.

These guys killed several people, the soldiers I mean. People in chains who were of no threat to them, people they say they KNEW were innocent of ANYTHING.

Fuck if I'm going to waste any tears on them.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5368210 - 03/05/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think he was being sarcastic about the last sentence.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5368219 - 03/05/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Your post reeks of absolute idiocy.

I guarantee you that when some Muslim nutcase blows himself up you are one of the first people to parade out how P.C. you are by saying, "This action doesn't represent the bulk of Muslims...blah blah". But, if an incredibly tiny minority of American soldiers act in an inappropriate manner then you scream for blood.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5368257 - 03/05/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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RandalFlagg said:I guarantee you that when some Muslim nutcase blows himself up you are one of the first people to parade out how P.C. you are by saying, "This action doesn't represent the bulk of Muslims...blah blah".  But, if an incredibly tiny minority of American soldiers act in an inappropriate manner then you scream for blood.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: DieCommie]
    #5368360 - 03/05/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you know the lead singer from tool was in the army? but then if youre not a tool fan i guess this fact is pointless. My argument however is that you are generalizing alot of good people with something some bullies did.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5368391 - 03/05/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Your post reeks of absolute idiocy.

I guarantee you that when some Muslim nutcase blows himself up you are one of the first people to parade out how P.C. you are by saying, "This action doesn't represent the bulk of Muslims...blah blah". But, if an incredibly tiny minority of American soldiers act in an inappropriate manner then you scream for blood.




Have you seen me post that? I wasnt aware we had had any communication together.

Cant you see that your doing the exact same thing I am? It comes down to that you think the troops are in the right for invading a sovieregn country and precipitating a civil war. I feel the inhabitants of the country are right to resist said occupation.

You say its an "Incredibly Tiny" percentage of soldiers beating soldiers and killing people. Of course this is the case as only a small percentage of the soldiers are in Prison Operations. I'm sure if you gave them the chance, more of your soldiers would be happy to kill an innocent taxi-driver.

Do you think the % of muslims who commit suicide attacks is higher? 'm willing to bet it isnt. More soldiers are killers than Muslims are terrorists.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5368442 - 03/05/06 07:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I guarantee you that when some Muslim nutcase blows himself up you are one of the first people to parade out how P.C. you are by saying, "This action doesn't represent the bulk of Muslims...blah blah". But, if an incredibly tiny minority of American soldiers act in an inappropriate manner then you scream for blood.




Have you seen me post that? I wasnt aware we had had any communication together.




I was making an educated guess.

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It comes down to that you think the troops are in the right for invading a sovieregn country and precipitating a civil war.




Huh?!? Where did I ever say that? If you were to look through all of my posts in this forum about the Iraq war you will see that I am vehemently against it....but not for the usual reasons.

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I feel the inhabitants of the country are right to resist said occupation.




When I was talking about Muslims blowing shit up I wasn't really referring to the Iraq situation. I was referring the the very numerous incidents of Muslims extremists around the world killing innocent civilians.

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More soldiers are killers than Muslims are terrorists.




You completely pulled that out of your ass.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5368583 - 03/05/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The part that gave me chills was when the one soldier was asked if he felt any sympathy for the detainees that had been killed in the prison and he said something along the lines of "Yeah I feel a little sympathy....that they weren't born Americans".

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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: TheDude]
    #5368595 - 03/05/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Your also having the exact reaction 60 minuets wanted you to have. Your acting like a puppet


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: TheDude]
    #5368597 - 03/05/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You also had the exact reaction 60 minuets wanted you to have. Your acting like a puppet


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Turn]
    #5368619 - 03/05/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like you need to study some contemporary film/media theory.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5368798 - 03/05/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm just watching it waiting for the Marc Emery part to come on.

Theres a big piece about the torture of detainees in Afghanistan. One of the detainees was chained to the wall and beaten until his legs were pulpified. This from the American Medical Examiner. The ME said his legs were so badly injured that if he had survived, his legs would have been amputated.

Fucking Sick. Those soldiers over there deserve ever bullet, IED and ambush they get.





To me this is just war. People dont understand that war is uncivilized and brutal, There are no rules in it. The terrorists attack civilians and use guerilla bomb attacks on iraqi and coalition forces because its an effective tactic that they have distinctly honed in.

Coalition forces are put into a situation where waging a war of attrition is the only effective tactic in combatting a insurgency such as the taliban and the various groups in Iraq.

To me i see this action no different from any other tactic in war. Deplorable maybe but nothing new.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5369007 - 03/05/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So now do you understand why liberals enjoy hating it so much?


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5369065 - 03/05/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Those soldiers over there deserve ever bullet, IED and ambush they get.



I hope drugs induced this fatuous comment.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: daimyo]
    #5369515 - 03/06/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If a raghead kills my buddy, I'll find the raghead's buddies and torture them. I will give them blood transfusions and fluids and nutrients intravenously. Then I will shock them back to life and torture them some more.

I'd do that as many times as I could just to see their faces change, scream in agony. Then I would kill them and send them to paradise. Shit, they are gonna get 72 virgins anyway. To them death ain't shit, they will still get 72 virgins to fuck for all eternity.

War is Hell. When you are on the sideliness, you have the freedom to see it in disgust. Thankfully most of us will never be put in a situation where everything goes. Everybody is a target, everybody dies. That's human nature for ya'll. Pretty, ain't it?


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5369878 - 03/06/06 05:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

> Those soldiers over there deserve ever bullet, IED and ambush they get

There is a huge difference between the soldier in the field and the asshole politician that put them there. If you cannot see the difference between the two, then my respect for you dropped, a lot.

> You can only use the "I was only following orders" thing for so long.

And yet, the American public re-elected the people that are giving those orders... as part of the American public, you are as guilty, if not more so, than the soldiers that are only following orders. You approved the people that gave those orders. Even if you didn't vote for Bush, Cheney, and Rummy, you have allowed them to remain in office. Shame on you.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Seuss]
    #5369962 - 03/06/06 06:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

He desurves an IUD.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #5370047 - 03/06/06 08:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)
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Here's a torrent file of last night's episode, if anyone wants it or hasn't seen it yet.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: trendal]
    #5370076 - 03/06/06 08:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like the Taliban were some good church going people who could do no wrong.
http://www.hazara.net/taliban/genocide/mazar/mazar.html


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Rogues_Pierre]
    #5370085 - 03/06/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Maulawi Mohammed Hanif - a Taliban commander who announced to a crowd of 300 people summoned to a mosque that the policy of the Taliban was to "exterminate" the Hazaras.





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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Rogues_Pierre]
    #5370728 - 03/06/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Whats an IUD?


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Turn]
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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Seuss]
    #5372142 - 03/06/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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> Those soldiers over there deserve ever bullet, IED and ambush they get

There is a huge difference between the soldier in the field and the asshole politician that put them there. If you cannot see the difference between the two, then my respect for you dropped, a lot.





The politicians may have directed them there. But if they are willing to fight for some lost bullshit cause then their death is no concern to me, just another dead sheep. I hope the other sheep in the meat grinder wake up and tell themselves and others that their life is worth more than nothing and leave their false cause. Every military man and woman deserves for than that, none of them should die for nothing. But if they don't wake up and realize that then all I can say is too bad. I hope the best for everyone over there fighting, and that doesn't mean winning the bullshit war they are over there fighting, I mean for them to realize the bullshit war they are over there fighting and do something about it.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: barfightlard]
    #5372193 - 03/06/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The politicians may have directed them there. But if they are willing to fight for some lost bullshit cause then their death is no concern to me, just another dead sheep. I hope the other sheep in the meat grinder wake up and tell themselves and others that their life is worth more than nothing and leave their false cause. Every military man and woman deserves for than that, none of them should die for nothing. But if they don't wake up and realize that then all I can say is too bad. I hope the best for everyone over there fighting, and that doesn't mean winning the bullshit war they are over there fighting, I mean for them to realize the bullshit war they are over there fighting and do something about it.


And do you feel the same about the Jihadists who were directed there by mullahs?


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: DieCommie]
    #5372234 - 03/06/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well I feel the ones who are fighting the invading force there have more reason to fight the US, UK, ect than we have going over there. Try and put yourself in their mindset. How would you feel if you thought you were being invaded and being told by a more powerdul force that your beleifs and way of life was wrong and had to change right away.

I am not defending their beleifs or anything, I am just defending their right to be who they are. I can understand why they are doing what they are doing. And if "our" cause is true to democracy I can understand why we are doing what we are doing.

What I don't understand is why all of our leaders think their course of action is best. Because it is CLEARY NOT. Change does not come over night, it takes time, and I think in their mind they feel like we are trying to take away their way of life. Which in any human being would cause anger and reaction. It may not be "right" but it is understandable.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: barfightlard]
    #5372451 - 03/06/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't blame soldiers for signing up for the Armed Forces. These days, if you don't go to college, there's really not anything you can do. Many of these people would not be able to afford college if it was not for military pay and loan deferment for those serving.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Redstorm]
    #5372482 - 03/06/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't blame them either. The idea of protecting your country isn't bad at all. But they are being duped into using those belifs for something different.

Are you saying they should throw their life away for no reason because they can't make, afford, or go through college? Or that because they have no "choice" they should throw their life away to support the machine which is holding them down, instead of fighting it, and just submit to get through life the easy way....


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: Redstorm]
    #5372501 - 03/06/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Redstorm said:Many of these people would not be able to afford college if it was not for military pay and loan deferment for those serving.


I dont know about that... Im a high school drop out with no money and I have been able to pay for college. Sometimes I have to skip a semister and work overtime... but it can be done.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: DieCommie]
    #5372510 - 03/06/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Redstorm said:Many of these people would not be able to afford college if it was not for military pay and loan deferment for those serving.


I dont know about that... Im a high school drop out with no money and I have been able to pay for college. Sometimes I have to skip a semister and work overtime... but it can be done.




I know it is not true in every case in every person who has ever and ever will join the military. I'm just pointing out a reason why many people join.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: roby000]
    #5373284 - 03/07/06 03:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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you know the lead singer from tool was in the army? but then if youre not a tool fan i guess this fact is pointless. My argument however is that you are generalizing alot of good people with something some bullies did.




he was in military school, not the army.

as for the topic...who fucking cares? human beings are scum. this evil has been going on since the dawn of man, and it continues today. are you really surprised? nothing will ever change this humanity.

so go kill each other. you'll be doing the rest of us who see the trivial nature of this whole struggle a tiny favor by killing yourselves. that'll buy the rest of us some time to find yet another reason to kill one another, and once we're all dead, there will be peace. that's the only way there will ever be peace and harmony for this world. it's true.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #5373360 - 03/07/06 05:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

liberals spend so much time hating it, because thats all they do.


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Re: 60 Minutes Tonight [Re: kotik]
    #5374894 - 03/07/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yea, they usually hate, they don't solve problems. They just drink their haterade and hate hate hate hate hate.


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