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Offlinekbarn
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First Grow - critique me
    #5367226 - 03/05/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have just recently gotten into this wonderfully intoxicating hobby and want to show off my first attempt (far from perfect...but that's why i'm here). Here is what I have gotten myself into:

I used just rye. Let sit in tap water for 24 hours. Boiled it until some rye started to pop open (about 15 minutes). Put into quart jars(2) with postal envelope as a filter over hole in jars and PC for 1 hour 30 min. Next day innoc. with Z and waited. After colonized I cased by just breaking up the rye and combining in a foil container and putting verm. about 1/2" thick on top. Back in incubator at 86 degrees until it looked like this:

Then I put it in my FC on Feb. 27:
Here are some dated pictures: March 1 Here are some more dated pictures: March 5

I made some newbie mistakes. I thought my system was totally automated so I did not take top off and fan or mist until after pinning (when I found out my errors). Since then I have misted a few times per day and fanned 4-5 times a day. Any comments/critiques/ideas are more than welcome.


Edited by kbarn (03/05/06 12:56 PM)


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: kbarn]
    #5367253 - 03/05/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

looks good, especially for a beginner. You'll be happy when it's done fruiting. Becareful misting after pinning, water droplets can cause aborts and blackrot on the caps.


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: Nashbar]
    #5367280 - 03/05/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Don't forget to take prints for future grows
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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: musher_420]
    #5367298 - 03/05/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

very nice setup

i like that ghetto ass tin foil tray thingy u got going


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: RandomHero]
    #5367310 - 03/05/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Should I be adding ingredients to my vermiculite for my next casing? Should I stop misting and just fan 4-5 times a day? What could have caused the very uneven pins?

I am just trying some different things with casings before I try to bulk grow on some straw. Thanks for the encouragement and advice.


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: kbarn]
    #5367364 - 03/05/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you're casing technique is fine, you got uneven pinset because of the thickness of casing or airexchange differences or moisture differences. Some places were happy to fruit, some places weren't under the right conditions.

I don't know what other people do, but I only mist the casing itself once, then only mist the walls before pinning. Then, after I notice pins and knots starting, I let it go without misting, but still maintaining the same fanning. Air exchange is extremely important during fruit, humidity doesn't need to be 100%.


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: kbarn]
    #5371048 - 03/06/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

First flush - Now I just leave the casing right?


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: kbarn]
    #5371085 - 03/06/06 02:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wow nice yeild for a first time !! I start mine soon, hopefully I'm that successful...mouth waters, pupils thicken and the world starts transforming :-D


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: kbarn]
    #5371095 - 03/06/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Before you continue, pick off all of the aborts. They can rot causing nasty stuff to get into your casing.

I would also suggest a cold dunk to get everything rehydrated and ready for another flush.

Just a fyi... during the fruiting stage, casings dont need as much humitity as in other stages. I would suggest taking your lava rocks out during fruiting, to get the humitity closer to 85%. If you need more moisture, just mist.


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: Argo]
    #5371241 - 03/06/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

u,mmmm 25.1 fresh grams isnt that good bro..not to pick on your grow and everything but thats only 2.5 dry grams about if that...make sure you do much as possible to get even pinset nexxt time...


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: bongtoke]
    #5371418 - 03/06/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well...I thought it was pretty :wink:


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: Serani]
    #5371599 - 03/06/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The picture looks way more than 25gs fresh. Maybe the scale is off or those shrooms are fucking small and light as hell.


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: Atheist]
    #5371827 - 03/06/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If they're uh..maybe Amazon ( I don't recall which strand ) but the strands could be hollow.


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: Atheist]
    #5371842 - 03/06/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes...sadly I agree with you folks and I was not exactly thrilled with the yeilds.  I was just glad I had no contams but that was about it.  Yes they are very thin and small.  The weight is right on.

bongtoke - how would i get a more even pinset?  is that mostly dependant on my substrate/verm layers being even?  my conditions inside my chamber need improvements such as a timer for light so i get a perfect 12/12 and also the temp inside my FC is only like 70. should i wrap it in blankets to warm it?

argo - thanks for the advice.  i did pick off the aborts (are they edible BTW?) but i did not dunk it in anything.  is there anything special I have to worry about while dunking?  thanks a million for the advice on the rocks.  i was waiting for some help with my setup.  is there a gauge i could buy to read the humidity that you suggest getting?  is there any time when the rocks are needed?  i would assume no since i only use that chamber as a FC...?  should i just have a clean, dry, warm bin to set pans in?

serani - thanks for the encouragement!  good luck to ya!

thanks for all your help guys!  feel free to say anything.  i am open to all criticism.  it helps a ton.  i'll get it right with your help!  :smile:  i know it will take time to master.


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: Serani]
    #5371868 - 03/06/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

looks like your substrate layer is too thin.
I make mine thick as hell and get mad pins everytime.


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: rezin8r]
    #5371889 - 03/06/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Most aborts are edible, but be careful and make sure to look for strange coloring or discoloration and futhurmore if there is black on the inside of the stems, I heard that isn't good either, but I'm a newb too :-D


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: rezin8r]
    #5371900 - 03/06/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

rezin8r - this could also be part of the problem. you are right, my layer of verm is less than one inch thick...


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: kbarn]
    #5372051 - 03/06/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

kbarn,
you said you had 1/2" verm casing layer? that's more than enough...rezin8r was talking about your substrate layer, which, if too thin, will give you thin light mushies at least (like you got), and maybe a shitty pinset too.
as if it needs mentioning, refer to hyphae's pinning strategy if you haven't already done so. also, straight verm is a less than ideal casing substance.


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: Hypercube]
    #5372098 - 03/06/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Oh my bad...my substrate layer is roughly 3-4". Is this too small?

BTW - hyphae's strategy is a big help too.


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: kbarn]
    #5372156 - 03/06/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

First an most obvious is you have way too much water in your hydroton. I'll be back!


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: hyphae]
    #5372182 - 03/06/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What is the temperature in your fruiting chamber? That incandescant bulb you have going on there might cause too much heat in the FC. You want at least a 10 deg temperature drop to initiate pinning. I would be stoked though, you are one of the few who at least got SOME shrooms on their first attempt. Im currently incubating some WBS and have some tennstudd manure for a bulk grow. My first grow was BRF in pint jars cased to 50/50+. Had quite a few pints of substrate and ended up yielding about 6 ounces.


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: kmIL]
    #5372643 - 03/06/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My fruiting chamber is around 70F. should i try adding layers or a heater around it to boost temp a few degrees? i am dunking my sub in water in fridge right now. how long should i leave it in there?

i am still looking for something that reads humidity...


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Re: First Grow - critique me [Re: kbarn]
    #5372655 - 03/06/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

nevermind about the gauge...i got one  :thumbup:


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