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If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read:
#5366031 - 03/04/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm in a difficult position right now because I'm going to see a pyschiatrist in a couple days, for the first time. I'll most likely be faced with the choice of taking an anti-depressant medication. In the past I've been adamantly against such medications, except for those people who feel they absolutely really need them. Now however, I am reconsidering, because I think it *may* help me. But the idea of taking a pill and feeling happy all the time is absolutely disgusting to me. I enjoy a mixture of feeling. I like to feel sad and depressed some days, and happy and cheerful others. I don't want to take an SSRI if it means I'll feel happy all the time and never feel sad. But my problem isn't that I'm depressed. It's that I don't feel anything at all. I'm just completely numb, neither happy nor depressed.
So I'm just curious if and how these medications really work. If you've taken any SSRIs like Paxil, Effexor, et cetera, or are currently taking one, please take a couple minutes and answer this little questionaire:
1. What medication did you take? 2. How did you feel, emotionally, before medication? 3. How did you feel, emotionally, during medication? 4. If you have since stopped taking the medication, how did you feel, emotionally, a couple weeks after stopping it? 5. Are you satisfied with the results or do you regret taking the medication? 6. Any other general comments on how the medication affected you, either mentally, emotionally, or physically.
I would greatly appreciate any feedback on this...
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: moog]
#5366158 - 03/04/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know where you are man, I've felt the same way.
1)I've tried Effexor, Paxil, and Celexa 2)Before taking the medication I felt completely lost and confused about life, myself, my emotions and everything 3)While taking the meds I felt about the same. 4)I don't think I changed much after stopping taking the meds(I have been on and off them a couple times, just recently started taking Effexor to help with anxiety, little gain) 5)I don't regret taking the meds at all because I was looking for new routes to help better myself, even though I don't think I got too far. 6)My mom told me a few times she noticed change in me, even though I didn't really notice it(not sure if she was just saying it or if she said it to try and help me out? I don't think I got much from the medication, but I'm not saying you won't. I was on Zyprexa for awhile and I noticed it made me gain some weight(that med didn't help me either)
I don't think there is anything wrong with giving those meds a try as long as you don't just use them to help yourself alone and get off them ASAP. In my experience pyschiatrist didn't do much other than give me on meds. The couple I saw just couldn't give me the "talk therapy" that I think would help alot more. So my suggestion is give the meds a try(be very aware of how they make you feel) along with doing some sort of talk therapy.
Best wishes man
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: moog]
#5366239 - 03/05/06 12:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was put on Zoloft, Prozac, and Celexa consecutively when i was 13 or so... I may have "needed it" I was incredibly depressed, and destructive. A real FTW mentality. I had been hospitalized for a suicide attempt (cry for help), and behaved quite badly in the nut house. So they kept me for about a month the first time. The pharmaceutical Reps were more abundant than the doctors. I remember two of them flanking my Dr. the first time i met him. The doc started me out on a beginner dose, and than every few days would raise it. He asked me how much i wanted, and i told him i wanted a Huge dose. My reasoning being more drugs=better. So i got what i wanted. It takes those drugs a long time to kick in, so they didn't even start working until i was out of that place. Before, i was severely depressed+ all kinds of emotional /behavior issues. While i was on it, I became the living dead. Instead of being sad most of the time, with a mixture of regular human emotions, all my emotions were dulled, or deadened. My problems did not improve, My brain was on auto pilot from were i started, sans human emotion. I was told i walked around glassy eyed, and zombified. I quit cold turkey, causing a serious mental train wreck. I don't remember much of anything from that time period. Just the reaction on my Dr.'s face while i spouted god knows what. I believe the drugs not only did not do what were intended, but increased whatever mental problems i had a great deal. I have since worked through that shit on my own. with some serious introspection, spurred by psychedelic mushroom trips.
My dad takes SSRI's for his depression. He walks around nice, and pleasant all the time, until he can't take it, and releases the emotions the pills bottle up. Usually lashing out in violent, angry outburst's.
I live with depression inherited from my father, but i have learned to deal with it, and be happy a lot of the time. I would be dead, or in prison right now, if it weren't for the things mushrooms taught me.
Long story short, Fuck SSRI's
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: Dreamer987]
#5367210 - 03/05/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah i agree, long story shotr, FUCK SSRI's and all depression meds. i was on them since 4th grade through when in was 18
never felt better that when i got off of them.
Also due to a dumbass doctor i was taken off of welbutrin and put on efexor the same day. i shook for 3 days.... and now have a neurological condition called essential tremmor. odds are it was pre existing and the meds brought it out but still....
Fuck the meds.
If i may, lets focus on your life, and why you feel depressed and un happy, and look into why you are feeling this way. Treat the root of the problem and not the symptom
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: Dreamer987]
#5367240 - 03/05/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for your replies.
Dreamer, you said this: "He walks around nice, and pleasant all the time, until he can't take it, and releases the emotions the pills bottle up. Usually lashing out in violent, angry outbursts."
This is how I am without any SSRIs. I live every day without any emotion, but every couple weeks all the bottled up feelings come pouring out in a fit of rage and it often comes out as a result of something really stupid and unimportant. So I have a feeling pills won't change anything for the better.
My problem is that I'm too tense and anxious to express emotions. Maybe a prescription for a benzodiazepine would be better. I have to wait for the doc's diagnosis first, though.
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: moog]
#5367270 - 03/05/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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what kind of diet do you have.. or dont you have one?
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: moog]
#5367328 - 03/05/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I dunno man. I think your looking in the wrong places. Pharmaceutical company's can only offer so much. The human mind is a very complex machine. Science only knows the very basic anatomy of it. How most of it works, and what most of it does is still a mystery. Relying on some random pills for your mental well being can be a dangerous thing.
I have a prescription for benzo's. Alprazolam(xanax) to be exact. I deal with some social anxiety issues that these would be great for, however, i don't take them for anything besides recreational purposes. Things like Xanax would only mask the real issues. And if you took them as prescribed, you would be hooked, and building yourself a massive tolerance in no time. You don't want to be hooked on that shit. It has a high addiction potential, and they say the withdrawal is worse than heroine. The only way your going to make yourself a better person, is to take a long look at yourself. Find out what's causing these behaviors, and fix them. Nobody else can do it for you, but you can get help from other people. Find someone to talk to, Friends, Family... if you don't have a good working relationship with these people, you may want to see a counselor... i don't trust these people personally, but some of them aren't that bad.
Hope this helps, and good luck to you sir!
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: Dreamer987]
#5367481 - 03/05/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!
Not enough is known about these peices of shit medications. They can seriously fuck you up. I don't even know why I took Celexa but it fucked me up beyond belief. I was a zombie. I was going to straight up rip the veins out of my wrists with a pocket knife I was so fucking out of it. I couldn't tell right from wrong, happy from sad, yadda yadda..
Stay the fuck away form these SSRIs. Some people are fine, but some peoples lives get completely obliterated by them. When I stopped taking it, I just shook on my bathroom floor and dry heaved and puked my guts out for like 30 hours. My god, I've heard that it's almost as bad as heroin withdrawal and I was only taking 10mg daily. I'm admittedly sensitive to some drugs like DXM and opiates, I think I'm missing a certain enzyme or something of the sort... but I've read other peoples' testimonials and spoke with friends about this dog shit. Same thing happened to them. I almost want to sue my old doctor or the pharmaceutical companies that produce this dog shit because I was told that I needed it. I was fucking depressed and had no where else to go. Stepped into my doctor's office and he was much to quick to offer me this shit.
Now I know better than to take drugs from strangers. If I see my doctor on the street I might have to tear him a new asshole and shove it full of antidepressants. How do you like seritonin syndrome ya fuckin dick.
Yes, much rage! Stay away from SSRIs. You can get through depression and anxiety without this bullshit. The only thing I'm thankful for is the lesson it taught me. I was always one to learn from my most worst experiences. And this shit definitely turned my life around. My judgement at the time was clearly distorted, but I wonder if that shit almost killed me. I couldn't even cry for help when everyone was in the house and sleeping. They had left for work and school and I lay there for dead. Ah well, at least my life did a complete 180 turn for the better. I'd highly recommend that you seek other ways of straightening out your problems.
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: browndustin]
#5367901 - 03/05/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didn't mean to make it sound like i'm going into the doctor's office just for some drugs. The drugs will be a last resort, believe me. I used to self-medicate with cannabis and DXM. However a bad trip on DXM fucked me up for about 10 months and i won't touch that again, and due to my current living situation i can't use cannabis.
I've tried working this shit out on my own but my life is just like a broken record. Same shit every day. It's hard to change your thinking when your stuck in a bullshit 9-5 work routine. It also doesn't help that the people i'm living with do nothing but reinforce my bad habits too. I swear they're like energy-sucking vampire zombies.
Anyway I'm hoping i can get cognitive therapy or something. At this point i'm pretty desperate for a change. I just want to be social and be able to relate to other people like most human beings can.
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: moog]
#5368168 - 03/05/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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many go thru the path of trying out the chemical solutions at hand, at best the meds can ease the pain while your working your way out to clearer waters in life and at worst they can fill your mind with cold and unnatural edges everywhere giving birth to hellish states of minds.
ive tried some meds, few screwd me up badly, some barely i could feel.. benzos worked too good and addiction was a bitch to kick .
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: moog]
#5369018 - 03/05/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Moog,
It sounds like you would be better off seeing a psychologist first and then if need be having him refer you to a psychiatrist after.
As per your questions,
1. I've taken Effexor, Wellbutrin, Seroquel, klonopin, and Zyprexa
2. Before the medication my mood would was very erratic going from ten to zero all the time very typical of manic depression but on a more condensed time frame. The downs definatly outweighed the highs though and I began to withdraw from everything. Also over the last while I started to develop a very paranoid train of thought that at times would manifest into psychotic episodes (my illicit drug use was next to none during this time). It was mental burden trying to decipher to versions of reality and I was at the point of suicide because I couldn't tell what is real.
3. Effexor - I was prescribed this a year earlier to the worst part and my intake schedule was very erratic so I did not recieve the optimal effects from it. I would often miss several days between doses. Effexor seemed to slow everything down for me but also leave me in an indifferent and dull mindset.
Wellbutrin - This pharm has helped me immensely. It returned my energy, improved short term memory as well as balancing out my mood without robbing me of feeling. It was been extremely helpfull to me. For the first week I was light headed after initial consumption but my body has since adapted and it is no longer a problem.
Seroquel - I was prescribed this to deal with my psychotic episodes. I took it at night and it would knock me out for 12 hours at least. During the day mentally I felt engulfed in a fog and my cognitive abilities were diminished.
Klonopin - I was prescribed klonopin to deal anxiety that would acompany any paranoid dillusions. I use it on a as needed basis. It has definatly helped in social situations where before I would get lost in my own mind. Don't abuse.
Zyprexa - I have just recently started taking this as a replacement for seroquel. I take it at night at it I use fall asleep shortly after. It does not leave the same mind fog of seroquel. It appears to be helping quel the more out there thought patterns.
4. On personal request I only take minimal levels of said pharms so withdrawl symptoms have been next to none. If you take any pharm that builds up levels in your plasma for an extended period of time and you want to quit you should contact your doctor to work out a schedule. If you don't ween yourself off some of these drugs you will end having an experience similar to browndustins. I no longer take seroquel and effexor, my klonopin hasn't been used in a month.
5. I regret not asking for help earlier. The Wellbutrin has been fantastic. The Seroquel left me in to much of a haze so I sought an alternative in Zyprexa. I do not like taking Zyprexa but I realize I must. I hope to at some point within this year to be off the medication.
Other Points
I had many sessions with a psychologist before meeting with a psychiatrist and it helped alot. He helped deal with several issues before I sought out to stabalize my body's chemistry. I think a psychologist would be very beneficial for your situation.
I increased my physical activity and started eating healthier, I cut out alot of the crap. I also began taking several vitamins and supplements (5HTP, Tyrosine, Fish Oils, Choline, Multi Vit, Amino Acids 1000, Ginseng, and Gingko).
The meds can help some people, don't let bias affect seeking a treatment solution.
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: moog]
#5370103 - 03/06/06 08:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have recently been put on Wellbutrin. Before i began taking the meds i was always low and depressed. This depression went on as long as i can remember. After starting the meds i leveled out emotionally. Meds don't make you happy, they are a tool used to even out the production of emotional related chemicals within the brain, such as seratonin. When the seratonin or other chemicals reach the desired lever impulses are able to pass through the space between nerves, synapse, more easily. So, you don't have any false sensations of extreme mania or happiness, you level off. Once you are leveled you can more easily fluxuate your emotions. If you have days where you're really depressed and others where you're really up beat, happy or manic you should look into meds used in helping bipolar disorder, if not look into the more popular name brand medications. Wellbutrin helps not only with the depression, but also with addiction. I had smoked for years and within a few days of taking the meds i had no desire to smoke and i just up and quit. Anti-depressants can be a very useful tool, at least that is my opinion.
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: lucas86]
#5370260 - 03/06/06 09:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have something like a manic-depressive cycle but it's very short-term and erratic, and depends purely on other people's reactions to me, rather than my internal mood. For example, if i'm in a social situation at the center of attention and it seems like everybody likes me, i'll get really excited and happy. As soon as i'm in a social situation where i'm not the center of a attention and people aren't interested in me, i'll get depressed and withdraw from the crowd to be alone. But i can go from one of these feelings to the other literally within less than a minute.
I forgot to mention my diet. For about a year now i've been on a low-fat, high-protein diet. I try to avoid eating any sugar. And i lift weights 4 days per week, which is a decent amount of exercise.
By the way i thought pyschologists and pyschiatrists were basically the same thing? I thought they were both the type that sat down with people and talked about issues. Anyway, i have an appointment this afternoon with a doctor so i'll see what he says.
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: lucas86]
#5371069 - 03/06/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yea but are they a permanent solution? or do you go back to your old unbalanced self once you stop taking them? who knows what the long term effects are from these things when you take them year after year...that is what scares me
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: moog]
#5371235 - 03/06/06 03:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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please do not take them, you will forever alter your chemistry in a PERMANENT way based upon impermanent problems.
1. What medication did you take? zoloft and later effexor 2. How did you feel, emotionally, before medication? great, my parents forced me into counseling because they thought i was depressed somehow, and for a few years i took zoloft never really noticing any effects. 3. How did you feel, emotionally, during medication? good until i started taking high doses because i got severely depressed over girl issues. Then..... well they tripled my effexor dosage over a months time, I saw a blue aura around the TV, had bad muscle tremors, and felt loopy. They at first made me love my life then the positive effects quickly died after about 3 days. 4. If you have since stopped taking the medication, how did you feel, emotionally, a couple weeks after stopping it? Oh my god. Like a heroin addict. Constant nightmares of the most vivid unbearable kind. Crying every day at school. Very low temperature. Feeling on the perpetual verge of passing out for an enitre month. 5. Are you satisfied with the results or do you regret taking the medication? I'm satisfied having quit. 6. Any other general comments on how the medication affected you, either mentally, emotionally, or physically. My comments, fuck medication.
I recently experimented with 5-htp, I found that it made me more "up" (let's say up 5%) but it decreased my capacity to feel emotions quite a bit. I quit taking it after a month and got rather depressed......
I have a semi-schizophrenic friend who hates his anti-depressants because he isn't able to cry, ever.........
That sums them up perfectly. You hurt inside but it's so dulled down and impersonal that you can never cry and let it out, no matter how much you want to.
I mean..... even just taking a moderate break from weed and being out in the sun, I feel so much better with my natural mind than anti-depressants ever could make me.
If you smoke, cut it down. Do it once a week at that, let yourself be sober. Go in the sun. Bask in it if possible. Eat kind of healthy. Exercise a bit.
Work on your issues through meditation, dreaming, therapy, psychedelics, anything.....
Don't put medication anywhere in that equation though. The only proper medication is natures medication.................... but....
it's to be used cautiously, I don't advocate or disadvocate it as I do not have enough experience with psychedelics. But I say if you want on drugs, do the occasional trip and stay away from a pill you have to take every day for the rest of your life.
We don't know shit about these new drugs in comparison to the cacti and fungi and herbs that have been helping humnans for multiple thousands of years.
Sure the results show they work. And they do work. And guess what, people think they are happy listening to Christina Aguilera on their new fancy ipods while wearing high heels. "It's no measure of health to be well adjusted to an insane society."
whatever is depressing you........ leaving you down.. work on that through therapy but DO NOT medicate it.
If you are imbalanced diet exercise, reduciton of marijuana intake and sunlight will help fix that.... and therapy will fix the other half.
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: leery11]
#5371487 - 03/06/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Everyone reacts to the medications differently. Some people, like myself, can take the meds and have no negative side effects. Others respond with side effects that are for-warned when the prescription is filled. Research the meds that the doctor mentions to you and ask your doctor what they feel would be the best way of tackling the issues. You will be required to take some sort of evaluation, such as the 567 question MMPI-II, before a diagnosis can be accurately made. Depression and mania aren't just caused by biological traits, sociological and environmental causes also take play. Look at the people you choose as your primary group, also look at cultural forces that may be causing you to feel a certain way. If you use a lot of street drugs, other than shrooms of course, they too may cause your ups and downs. I was using all sorts of drugs a while back, anything that i could get my hands on i used. Almost immediately after quiting i felt less depressed and more filled emotionally. I continue to use mushrooms and they do not seem to have any post-use side effects, again, for me. Mental illness is a serious thing, 20% of American have some sort of mental disorder. I have been studying psychology for a while and i am by no means any sort of expert, but i do recommend that if you are serious about changing the way that you feel and respond to situations as you say you do that you try out some anti-depressants. If they don't seem to work try something else or quit. Do what you feel is right for you, no one can just make things go away, you have to want things to change and you have to put forth the effort. I hope things work out well for you friend. That is all i have to say.
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: lucas86]
#5371549 - 03/06/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i forgot one thing...
MEDS DO NOT MAKE YOUR PERSONALITY LOWER IN EMOTION!!! THEY LEVEL OUT THE CHEMICALS WITHIN THE BRAIN!!! WOULD HUNDREDS OF HIGHLY TRAINED, HIGHLY EDUCATED, AND HIGHLY RESPECTED DOCTORS PRESCRIBE MEDS THAT ARE DANGEROUS TO THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE TAKING THEM? I THINK NOT!!! STUDY WHAT YOU FEEL IS RIGHT FOR YOU AND GO THAT PATH, NOT EVERYONE IS COMPATIBLE WITH MEDS, HOWEVER, THOUSANDS ARE AND BENEFIT FROM THEM ON A DAILY BASIS. I AM ONE OF THEM AND I DO NOT LACK EMOTION OR THE ABILITY TO RELEASE STRESS, SADNESS, OR ANY OTHER EMOTION. DO NOT ACCUSE THESE MEDS OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT PROVED OR BACKED BY EVIDENCE. THEY ARE NOT A SOLUTION TO PROBLEMS, THEY ARE A TOOL TO FIX THE BIOLOGICAL PORTION OF THINGS. THE REST IS UP TO THE PERSON WHO IS HAVING THE ISSUES!!! NO ONE CAN FIX THINGS IF YOU AREN'T WILLING TO FIX YOURSELF!!!
sorry Moog, i am not directing this towards you. this is for the people who are telling you falsities. do what you feel is right, that is the best thing to do. therapy and personal healing can mend things just as well as meds, but all three can be more effective than that. there is never a guarantee that meds will work, but why not see what happens, maybe they will be very beneficial. there are side effects to every drug no matter what they are, but the percentages of people who actually have them is quite low and you have the choice to stop taking meds whenever you feel. no one will be there shoving them down your throat. hope that is was helpful
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: lucas86]
#5371685 - 03/06/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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well let me say then they made me feel flattened emotion. http://www.zoloft.com/zoloft/zoloft.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=common_questions What is the FDA warning all about? Depression is a serious medical condition, which can lead to suicidal thoughts and behavior. A combined analysis of 9 antidepressants has prompted the FDA to place a warning on all materials related to antidepressants. This analysis showed an increased risk of suicidal thoughts and behavior from 2% to 4% in people under 18. This risk must be balanced with the medical need. Those starting medication should be watched closely for suicidal thoughts, worsening of depression, or unusual changes in behavior. Does the warning apply to all antidepressants? Yes Is Zoloft recommended for children and teenagers? Zoloft is only approved for the treatment of obsessive-compulsive disorder in children between the ages of 6 to 17. Zoloft is not approved or promoted for the treatment of depression in children or adolescents. wtf... that's what they put me on it for.
These things regulate your mood and feelings, I'm not the only one I know who feels more flattened while on them. Is it clinically established? I don't know. The term 'zombie' is often used by those subjected to unscrupulous doses.
And I'm studying psychology too. I know that meds can be succesful, but given that causes are rarely ONLY biological the use of them seems a cop out to me. A coverup of real issues.
Now if you're freaking out and have bad bad bad problems okay. If you're some 16 year old that is having girl problems you don't need to be on them. (my case back in the day) and if you're just some average guy that's feeling a little down, figure out a better way.
These things need to be used, when they need to be used. They are not candy and doctors should not give them out after having talked to you for 15 whole minutes, knowing next to nothing about you and certainly having no basis to assume that you have a biological problem which constitutes the need to regulate your serotonin levels on a daily basis.
You're fucking tinkering with things that by and by aren't broken. It's sick and absurd.
I.e. the whole "My girlfriend left me... I'm thinking of going on anti-depression medicine."
You know..... sure they have their uses. But given the way they are misprescribed they certainly have tons of misuses.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (03/06/06 05:19 PM)
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lucas86
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: leery11]
#5373540 - 03/07/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i agree totally with the statement that they can lead to issues and may not be the answer to fixing personal issues, but they can be a useful tool in helping with that. as i said before they focus on the biological portion of mental disorders, the rest is up the the individual to address through therapy and personal reflection. i apologize for getting angry, i just don't like it when people rule out something that may help another when the only person who can determine whether or not the tool is doing its job is the individual using them.
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xTooL
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: lucas86]
#5375519 - 03/07/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Truely you can figure out why you are so depressed and make yourself a happier person without meds.
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#5376032 - 03/07/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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SSRIs work in biological psychology. This is fairly well documented. However, SSRIs can severly mess with someone who does not have a chemical imbalance and it is completely ignorant and arrogant to believe that ALL depression is caused by a chemical imbalance...although, that is what the FDA would like you to believe.
Also, you must remember that because these doctors are highly trained does not necessarily mean that they aren't trained in a bias manner. Take psychedelics for instance. psychedelics present a very strong potential for research in the area of psychology, and yet the movement towards legalization for research purposes is almost entirely non-existant.
Regardless...very rarely are psychological problems due to biological factors, however, our highly-trained doctors and psychiatrists like to believe they are in the face of great defiance, and that is why I would be EXTREMELY cautious when being prescribed SSRIs or any other anti-depressant.
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: xTooL]
#5376173 - 03/07/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well i'm going to try to avoid medication until as a last resort.
I saw the shrink yesterday for the first time, he just asked me some general stuff. He's not even sure what's wrong yet. He says i may be dysthymic, which means being depressed for so long that you no longer realize you're depressed and accept as a normal state of being. I think he may be right.
The funny thing is, i know EXACTLY WHY i'm depressed, but i just can't bring myself to fix the problem that's causing it. If i can fix the root problem, i know the depression will go away on its on.
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: moog]
#5378164 - 03/08/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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what ive learned is if you believe a word that a shrink is saying means you are digging your own grave. shrink = his function is to make you behave a good and content worker citizen so u are working part of the system system = anti-life, pro-insanity ?nuff said
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: budsicle]
#5378420 - 03/08/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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not enough said.
"shrinks" are there to help you work out your problems, they are not supposed to influence you to do any particular thing or acecpt any particular world view.
you just go to talk to them and fix issues that you have, not to be brainwashed into joining the "machine"
now lets say you do lots of shamanistic work and are convinced that you have access to the spirit world, now maybe that's not something you should bring up to them....
but for people with "normal" issues, etc, having someone to talk to can be a great help.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: moog]
#19598013 - 02/21/14 03:03 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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1. What medication did you take? 2. How did you feel, emotionally, before medication? 3. How did you feel, emotionally, during medication? 4. If you have since stopped taking the medication, how did you feel, emotionally, a couple weeks after stopping it? 5. Are you satisfied with the results or do you regret taking the medication? 6. Any other general comments on how the medication affected you, either mentally, emotionally, or physically.
1. Started off on Amitriptyline, then was moved to Mirtazapine. A few years later, Citalopram was added 2. Depressed, suicidal tendencies with one attempt already made and failed. 3. Confused, dazed, groggy still had same thoughts and feelings although not as easy to focus my thoughts upon them - or anything else! Both meds taken before bed time. 4. The above two drugs had to be halted as I developed nerve damage following a car accident (they ran into the back of my car, I didn't cause the accident). I needed to be put on a drug called Pregabalin to calm the effects of the nerve damage. This reacts badly with Mirtazapine and / or Citalopram, so after coming of those drugs after 4 or 5 years of use I was put on the current one, Sertraline. Since starting this medication, I can honestly say that it has done nothing for me. Previous issues not only returned, but they had "gained weight" during their holiday from my consciousness. Such that it is / was. Having gotten sick of taking these for no benefit, I am now in the process of weaning myself off them and am trying hard to focus on the "feeling good" at getting them out of my daily diet. 5. I am NOT in anyway satisfied with the results, but do NOT regret taking the medication because without the attempts at removing the way I felt from my life, then I doubt I could / would have made it this far. 6. As stated, the Mirtazapine and Citalopram made me feel groggy as hell the next day, for quite a while. But as this eased, looking back, I would have to say that they helped a lot. They didn't kill the problems off, but they certainly crippled the intensity of them. This gave me the time to realise a few things abut myself and my life. I effected certain changes which people outside of the few I hold close, understand / comprehend. Some view my changes as eccentric, others thing I have gone over the edge and have flipped. But I am much happier in my life, compared to where I was. The changes to my life that I initiated have left me feeling much more comfortable on a day to day basis and so long as I hide myself away from the world then I am managing and coping with things much better - on the whole. Please note though, that like most people, I have ups and downs and can be affected by certain "triggers" which will spark off what feel like even worse states of mind. However, it eventually dawns upon me that although they felt intense and worse than ever at the time, so far things haven't been so in reality. Different meds will work for different people, but remember that when it comes to the mind, YOU will have to heal yourself!! A shrink and your GP can only help you getting there, they can't do it for you I'm sorry to say.
Best advise I can offer is to evaluate for yourself what is wrong in your life. This is quite often hard as you have to be 100% honest with yourself and more often than not, the truth hurts. Once you have worked out what is wrong, it will be time to begin trying to effect changes in your life to rectify them. Don't try to sort the worst problems out. Pick the more minor ones as they will most likely be the easiest to rectify. Sort enough of the smaller problems out and the large ones wont seem quite as big as they did. I personally believe that this can be compared to physical injuries. IE - you get a large wound on your leg. It hurts a lot, but you can just about cope with it. Later that week, you accidentally catch the wound and not only cut it open, but you scrape up all the skin around it, leaving a graze as well as the wound. The next day, someone knocks you off balance and you land awkwardly. Bruising your leg quite badly where the wound is and opening up the stitches in it. All these extra problems of a small cut and a graze or a bad bruise are minor things, yet when added to the original problem they become crippling. And so I believe it is with the mind too! So by sorting out the easier, less troubling problems, you have reduced the pain of the more major ones. Something else to remember - although it's bloody hard to do so when it matters - is that stressing over things you can do nothing about only serves to hurt you. It makes no difference to the problem itself whatsoever! So, try to let such things just work their own way through your life and concentrate on the things you can actually do something about. Even if it is only in a small way. Leave the stuff you cannot do anything about for someone else to be dragged down worrying about it.
I hope that at least some of this is of some help to you mate, I truly do!
All the best and good luck with it all.
ps - drug names are those used within the UK, where I live, and may be different in the USA and other countries.
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: barfightlard]
#27958001 - 09/19/22 07:45 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I've been taking ssri's and other antidepressants for more years than I care to think about. I wish I NEVER had started any. I used to write good songs and music. I used to paint pictures, draw and sculpt. After starting these meds, everything left me. I lost all will to do the things I once enjoyed. You feel no super lows. You feel no super highs. The pain in my heart that let me write all those great songs was gone. The joy that let me feel love was gone. You just "exist." But every time I try to wean myself off of one or another med, I find myself just crawling under another rock. I am trapped in this world created by money-hungry pharmaceutical companies and doctors who could care less about how much they are poisoning people. I'd give just about anything to feel my heart ache for someone, or feel an explosion of joy to see an old, dear friend. I really don't care about what doctors are saying about psilocybins and anti-depressants. Got some GT pinning now (noob) and will experiment carefully. (This post is about MY experiences with anti-depressants. I am in no way speaking of others and their triumphs/tribulations with these meds) GIVE ME LIFE, my precious little fungi!
Edited by Tigswashroom (09/19/22 08:38 PM)
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paperbackwriter
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Re: If you have taken or are currently taking anti-depressants, please read: [Re: Tigswashroom]
#27967532 - 09/25/22 01:00 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I was given venlafaxine without informed consent. The shit has a super short half-life and can send you into SSRI withdrawal with a single missed dose.
I'm currently taking Prozac because it has a long half-life. My goal is to get off these medications.
Ayahuasca and Syrian Rue plus DMT or Psilocybin I found more life-changing/affirming and you can't take either Ayahuasca or Syrian Rue while on an SSRI.
I've been on them for about 7 years now. Did a prison stint on Venlafaxine. Went into withdrawal multiple times when guards refused to give me my medication. Because they're lazy asses and don't understand that SSRI withdrawal can be fatal (hello, I was put on this medication because of suicidal ideation). Suddenly going off of it got me another felony (while locked up) and nearly ended my life.
So yeah, I like drugs. But SSRIs, especially the ones with short half-lives, are fucking evil.
-------------------- Why should we strive with cynic frown To knock their fairy castles down? ~ Eliza Cook It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley
Edited by paperbackwriter (09/25/22 01:01 PM)
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