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Psilocybe cubensis "Puerto Ricans" on rye/compost
    #536536 - 01/31/02 01:26 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a new PR start. Check out the mycelium poking through the holes in the top of the next two pics. I got this from Azurepower. He can't remember if there was a verm layer or not. In the next pic you'll see nothing but mycelium in the top of the jar. He says the strain has only been cultivated once since being picked from the wild. I will be posting updates periodically.







The last pic shows the breaking up of the cake. I then covered the tray w/ foil. I will let the mycelium grow back together and then case w/ coir.

Joshua

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #536672 - 01/31/02 07:17 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Joshua.. try using a blender on those cakes, then "pour" your substrate layer into the pan...
#1 you'll be totally amazed at the recovery, and strength of the mycelium
#2 when you use the blender, and pour, you don't have to ever touch the substrate.

use a flat bladed blender with blades of differing heights....

Trust me on this one.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Hammerloaf]
    #536722 - 01/31/02 09:00 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Also, you could try breaking up the cake in a ziplock bag and let it sit in there for 24-48 hours to recover.

I have some PR jars colonizing but they ran into some trouble.

Just another brick wall in my face I guess.


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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: phrozendata]
    #536753 - 01/31/02 09:44 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

I just scooped them out of the jars with a spoon dipped in h2o2.

as far as pouring a blended substrate...are you saying add some water to it???or water +h2o2???

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #536812 - 01/31/02 10:58 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

You are so great a documenting your work! I really enjoy your posts! Thanks!


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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Majortrippz]
    #536822 - 01/31/02 11:06 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Major.. no, the blended substrate doesn't require additives... perhaps a misting of H2O2 lightly before and after poured.. but thats about it.. the substrate you pour in will form a soild and I mean SOILD ASS block of mycelium within a couple of days.  Go mycelium go! :smile:

oh.. but do not blend whole grains.. only flour based cakes.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Hammerloaf]
    #537919 - 02/01/02 03:20 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

A blender ?? Are you kidding ??
How about just slicing the cakes neatly, then taking 1 cake to crumble it up and fill in the empty spaces.

You really should try and make your substrate layer more even next time


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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Ryche Hawk]
    #538009 - 02/01/02 05:25 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Is there something wrong with using a blender?

I thought its best to crumble the cake as much as possible?

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #538103 - 02/01/02 07:36 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

The Puerto Rican has by far the most aggressive mycelium I have ever seen. Nothing else even comes close. It?s like a fungal Pit Bull. I can?t see contams standing a chance with this stuff... it just colonizes too fast. I have seen it completely colonize the DRY verm barrier at the top of a jar, AND stick out of the inoculation holes, just as your pic shows.

Not only that, but it is insanely rhizomorphic. Big broad bands of mycelium everywhere. No tomentose growth at all. My jars looked like I had filled them with chopped up dental tape.

You should use a much deeper casing layer than you normally would because it will run through an inch-thick casing layer in no time... overlay is a real problem with Puerto Rican. As well, it can form some really gnarly looking fruits... they look sort of like amorphous blobs, or even mini-sclerotia. This is probably because it is still a pretty wild strain and not yet well-domesticated.

Potent as hell, though.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Phred]
    #538134 - 02/01/02 09:00 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

What?s your advice on pinning/fruiting? I?ve heard this strain can be hard to fruit.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Hammerloaf]
    #538139 - 02/01/02 09:04 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Blend it or break it up in a zip-lock baggie - either way works fine - as long as its even and broken up it all good...


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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #538264 - 02/02/02 12:41 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

This is two days later. I love the look of this, I hope y?all do too.






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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #538266 - 02/02/02 12:42 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

my advise on PR casings is to not even let them incubate for a day, expose to light and start the fruiting phase right away.. or else they?ll overlay and start rotting for sure. this strain is super hard to pin, so start right away. it usually takes 10 days- 2 weeks to pin. sometimes you hit it and sometimes it?s harder, this strain is a total crapshoot, you never know what it wants to do.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #538311 - 02/02/02 02:01 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

As you probably noticed, PR?s are very fast colonizers. Compared to KS, they take a little longer to pin. However, isolattes form massive pins-the most I?ve ever seen. Pinning won?t occur until the mycelium has drastically slowed down in vegetative growth. Cold shock is recommended when you start seeing rhizomorphs sticking out of the casing layer.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #538396 - 02/02/02 05:18 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Very nice Josh !

What kind of casing are you going to use?


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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #538415 - 02/02/02 07:37 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

You should case this as soon as possible.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Anno]
    #538590 - 02/02/02 12:35 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Mr. Hawke... if you?ve never used a blender on cakes... do it.. you?ll be amazed.. I swear. But remember, no whole grains, only flour based substrate, or something that was blended to begin with, like millet ground in a coffee grinder to make the cakes.

It works so damn good I?ll never go back.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Hammerloaf]
    #538647 - 02/02/02 02:27 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Honestly I don?t see why you all say these are so hard to fruit???

I?m on my fouth flush with 4 trays and 2nd with 2 and have gotten a total of 4 ounces(dry) so far form 6 pint cakes... when they slow down I just scatch the casing and drown the it with a 1-20 dilution of h2o2... let it sit for 1 day. then a new flush begins... pour of the excess water and presto the next great flush...I haven?t had a single contamination case.... I?m looking forward to say 6 flushes or so...oh yeah I?m talking 2 gram dry weight per fruit.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Roadkill]
    #539099 - 02/03/02 04:57 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

The casing will be applied very soon. I will apply a mix of:

%40 verm
%60 coir
and lime to taste.







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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Anno]
    #539105 - 02/03/02 05:42 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Case solved---------|/

The casing mix is an officially Annonized mix.



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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #539106 - 02/03/02 05:53 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

nice job, but maybe i missed something. Why did you leave the crumbled cakes alone like that uncased? Aren?t you supposed to case them then let them incubate for about a week or until you see about 30-40% colonization? Doesn?t a stong mycelium network form during that week?


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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #539233 - 02/03/02 11:56 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I follow this method due to a theory of mine. By letting the substrate sit after I break it I am allowing the mycelium to form back into one network. I case it after I see plenty of contact between chunks. I have dug up old casings in which I did not follow this method and have found islands of mycelium. On these casings I recieved lower than average yeilds. I think the loss of yeild was do to the seperation of substrate islands and a weak network. By connecting the chunks I am creating one large network rather than several small ones.

I may be FOS, but I?ve found it seems to work for me

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #539708 - 02/03/02 09:54 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

These "islands" of inconsistent growth are probably a result of a lack of moisture in the colonized substrate. If the mycelium fuzzes up within a day or two, that indicates that there is plenty of moisture. When it fuzzes up, all of the mycelium is already connected, and this allows neighboring chunks to transfer nutrients from "island to island." Therefore, under those conditions, growth is uniform. Allowing the mycelium to sit like that for a while just slows the fruiting process down.
If you do not see fuzzing up uniformly, then it is wise to let it happen before casing as you pointed out. But this can always be prevented by being clean when breaking the cakes up and having the correct moisture in the cakes.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #539754 - 02/03/02 10:50 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

makes sense. If it works I don?t see a reason not to. I just figured that if you made the substrate level even enough that it would make one big mycellium network during that week of incubation.


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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #540020 - 02/04/02 05:49 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

heheh.. once again.. blending causes the mycelium network to regenerate violently into one huge block which is very strong.. but I digress.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Hammerloaf]
    #540525 - 02/04/02 05:56 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

These pics are getting me very, VERY psyched! I have 6 jars of PR?s in BRF substrate growing right now, and I just added a heating pad to them today to speed things up. Unfortunately, 1 of the jars didn?t do anything at all, but none of the jars got contaminated (knock on wood). Since it is my first time ever growing shrooms, I was planning on just growing them right off the cakes, but after seeing these pictures, I think I might attempt to case them due to the lucrative fruits that casing has to offer. Any suggestions for my first time?

Anyway, keep up the great work Josh...I can?t wait to see the fruits off of that casing! BTW, how many cakes did you use for that substrate layer?

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: anon13579]
    #540814 - 02/04/02 11:42 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

1 cake was used in the casing.

Hammerloaf, you have convinced me to try your method, look forward to seeing blended substrates in casings soon.

I will post pics as soon as mycelium pokes through.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #543222 - 02/07/02 01:04 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I removed part of the original casing layer after two days w/o seeing any casing penetration. That was yesterday. I now see growth penetrating the casing. I will place the casing in the fruiting chamber soon. Look forward to seeing fruits soon.





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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #543226 - 02/07/02 01:08 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

that looks good. You?re a pretty good cultivator.


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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #543245 - 02/07/02 01:28 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Aww shucks...Thanks.

I?m still learning and have a long way to go before I match the feats and quality of some of my fellow cultivators.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #543251 - 02/07/02 01:31 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I hope you?re birthing that bitch Joshua

The puertos are a pain in the ass sometimes and tend to stall.

SERIOUSLY watch for overlay.

The Puertos take a while to grow sometimes.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: jokerGD]
    #543256 - 02/07/02 01:36 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I am planning on starting the fruiting in 12 hours. Should I start it now?

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #543268 - 02/07/02 01:57 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

looks very rhizmorphic im happy:)

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #543449 - 02/07/02 08:14 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

certainly looks like you could start it now..

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Hammerloaf]
    #543496 - 02/07/02 09:32 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I think I will. Pic?s to follow shortly.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #545531 - 02/09/02 01:54 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Annihilation

Here are pics of my PR annihilating my casing layer. I have knocked it back twice with water. I figure the water will serve two purposes. I will slow the mycelium down and it will ensure a moist casing layer. I am placing ice packs underneath it to hopefuly shock it into fruiting. If overlay occurs I will be sure to scratch it.






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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #545647 - 02/09/02 08:58 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

That casing is getting raped! Almost as bad as my Maz?s are. Too bad my digicam is broken. *cries*


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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #546007 - 02/09/02 05:53 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Josh,

Very healthy looking bro.

I hope it doesn?t overlay on you.

Good luck !!!


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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #546815 - 02/10/02 05:27 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

It looks like I messed it up. To remedy my problem I will be adding additional casing. As soon as I see casing penetration I will place the casing in the refridgerator for 24hrs. That should halt further casing colonisation and initiate pinning.

Any better ideas?





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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #546833 - 02/10/02 05:47 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

>Any better ideas?

No. What you described should work.

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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #547446 - 02/11/02 02:41 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

This is my remedy for my pending overlay problem. I know you all warned me. Even with the warnings I was caught off guard.

I started by scratching the visible mycelium lightly. After scratching, I added another layer of casing. I packed the casing lightly to make it a little more compact.

Notice the immediate blueing of the mycelium.





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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: Joshua]
    #547588 - 02/11/02 07:08 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

question ... how deep are those pans and how deep are you making your substrate layers?


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Re: Puerto Rican Start [Re: SumGuy]
    #547834 - 02/11/02 11:46 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Substrate is 3/4-1 in., casing is 3/4 in.

This casing to substrate ratio is a higher than should generally be followed. The PR strain grows very rhizomorphically and overtakes casing layers very fast as you can tell by the previous pics.

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Puerto Rican casing depth [Re: Joshua]
    #547955 - 02/11/02 01:50 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Puerto Rican mycelium is INSANELY aggressive. I know a guy (not me -- this really is a different guy, honest) who routinely uses 2 inches of coco coir as a casing layer, and he STILL sometimes gets overlay. The good thing is, Puerto Rican mycelium colonizes so quickly and thoroughly that contams don?t stand a chance.

But, this guy (who REALLY is not me, honest) says that the potency of Puerto Ricans makes it all worthwhile.

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Re: Puerto Rican casing depth [Re: Phred]
    #548197 - 02/11/02 05:13 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

that?s what this person at the bus stop was saying about PESA?s


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Puerto Rican Fridge [Re: Joshua]
    #550663 - 02/13/02 10:49 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I am getting casing colonisation again. This time I covered the tray with foil and put it in the fridge, I think I?ll leave it there for at least 12 hours. Any suggestions on how long to leave it?

Here is the pic:


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Re: Puerto Rican Fridge [Re: Joshua]
    #550669 - 02/13/02 10:56 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I?de just birth it now.


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Re: Puerto Rican Fridge [Re: phrozendata]
    #550675 - 02/13/02 11:06 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

It?s been in the fruiting chamber since I re-cased it. By puting it in the fridge I hope to slow colonisation and initiate hyphal knot formation.

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Re: Puerto Rican Fridge [Re: Joshua]
    #550808 - 02/14/02 01:45 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)



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    #550821 - 02/14/02 02:11 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks! How?d you know I had a thing for Asians?

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Re: Puerto Rican Fridge [Re: Joshua]
    #550825 - 02/14/02 02:15 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Don?t we all?


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    #550831 - 02/14/02 02:30 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

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    #550833 - 02/14/02 02:34 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

my avatar worked and i drew it myself yaehowow!

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    #550871 - 02/14/02 04:15 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i think everyone has a thing for asians

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    #550890 - 02/14/02 04:38 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

damn joshua.... I want my own cheerleaders!!!!

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    #551148 - 02/14/02 11:04 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Geez man, that is some gnarly ass mycelium growth...

I?ve heard the PESA?s are like that too...and to tell you the truth my jars of PESA?s colonized 90% within 7 days..!!!

I just made a straw tray yesterday, and Im already seeing the mycelium starting to colonize it. Should I pack on a deep casing layer? The straw/substrate mix is only about 4 inches compacted. How much casing you think? The PESA?s seem to be out of control...AHHHHHHHHhhhhhhh!!!

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Re: Puerto Rican Fridge [Re: angryshroom]
    #551363 - 02/14/02 02:13 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I?m no expert, but I?d say 1.5-2 inches of casing should do the trick. Do not pack the casing layer on. Just lay it down and gently pat down.To initiate a good pin set you may want to cold shock, this will slow down casing colonisation and help to induce fruiting.

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    #551386 - 02/14/02 02:35 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

As a general rule, the casing layer should be 1/4 substrate depth.

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    #551500 - 02/14/02 03:45 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I was thinkin around 1.5 to 2 inches myself. Im just going to case with coir, then incubate for 2 days and then throw it in the fridge for a few (12) hours and then in the chamber it goes...

Im personally not even going to wait until I see mycelium on top. Maybe just a fuzz or something to make me tthink its close

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    #552581 - 02/15/02 12:57 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Damn this shit is unstopable. I just turned off my heat in my fruiting chamber. If I get overlay I am just going to let it go and see what happens.


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    #553529 - 02/16/02 12:05 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Let um go, them bad boys wanna sprout!

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    #553546 - 02/16/02 12:26 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I agree LeGrouper. Joshua you are quite amazing. I think you posted before that you have 9 months experience? Damn man youre kickin some fuckin ass. I look forward in walking step by step in the Azures project as well.


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Re: Puerto Rican Fridge [Re: LeGrouper]
    #553673 - 02/16/02 02:39 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I am flattered by your appreciation. In honor of your compliments I will innoculate agar plates w/ azure spores tonight. Let the pictures begin!!

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    #554975 - 02/18/02 12:57 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Just when you thought it couldn't get any thicker...





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    #554985 - 02/18/02 01:13 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Let it be, Joshua, let it grow, don?t try to stop it from overgrowing the casing layer.
In this case treat is as a giant cake. Cakes are overlayed all over (since they don?t have a casing layer) and still fruit. Just make sure to keep the humidity very high, just like for cakes.

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    #555048 - 02/18/02 03:54 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

This thread beats daytime soaps, this is amazing stuff, I cant wait to see what happens next.


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    #555230 - 02/18/02 09:47 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

That casing is looking amazing! My PR jars are 2-3 days away from birthing, and after seeing how your tray is coming along, I?m definitely going to case one of my jars. Best of luck, Josh!

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    #555815 - 02/18/02 11:01 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Wow

That looks really fukin cool !!!

Hope that bad boy pumps out some shrooms.

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    #557166 - 02/20/02 05:55 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I'm looking forward to this :smile:

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    #558165 - 02/21/02 02:45 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Josh,

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    #558401 - 02/21/02 10:12 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

This is the best overlay I have ever grown. These pics were taken on 2/21. I have 3 mushroom pins and several hyphal knot pins showing. In some parts of the overlay it looks like the mycelium is seeping water. My friend gave me his PR casing as he was having troubles also. I personally do not recomend this strain to beginners. I have heard that the fruits are very potent.







I will call this new casing "casing B" the old one will be "casing A".






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    #558608 - 02/21/02 01:45 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

im sorry if you already posted this in the begining of your thread Josh, but what are you keeping your humidity levels at? and does anyone know what is the cause for inconsitant fruit sizes? my friend has cased, and gotten like 1 or 2 huge fruits, and then the rest are pretty decent size, but no where as huge as the first. what is the explanation for this?

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    #558713 - 02/21/02 03:54 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks For Telling Me Now About The Difficulty! I?m growing PR?s for my first ever grow, and after reading about your difficulties I think I?m only going to grow off the cakes. I just pulled a cake today, and it is now sitting happily upon a pile of moist Vermiculite. 3 Other Jars Are Finishing Up soon, but one has a slight spot of cob-web mold. I?m going to sterilize a knife and cut off the infected spot, and keep that cake seperate from the other 3. I am still interested in seeing how this casing turns up. Keep up the good work, Josh!

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Re: Puerto Rican [Re: MickyFinn]
    #559073 - 02/21/02 10:19 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

It's hard to say what you problem is, it could be one or a combo of several problems.

Humidity should be kept at %95 for primordia formation and lowered to 85-92% for pinhead development and fruiting.

I suggest you either buy or check out "The Mushroom Cultivator", it has very good info regarding cultivation.

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Re: Puerto Rican [Re: Joshua]
    #559213 - 02/22/02 01:01 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Damn Josh,

That is some serious overlay bro.

I just started some Puerto's too....think i will listen to Anno....and case them after 2 days in the incubator.

RoBsTaMaCk.....you should try using a  Hydrogen Peroxide and water mix on that cob web mold before you tear the cake apart. 10 parts water.....1 part Hydrogen Peroxide.

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    #559240 - 02/22/02 01:29 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Tonight is a happy night!!:)!! I am seeing very decent pinning for overlay. We shall see how things progress.





This is the "B" casing


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    #561271 - 02/24/02 03:39 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

This is my largest fruit yet off of this casing. It is also my first fruit of off this casing. I'm too tired to ramble any further...here you go :cool:.











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    #561343 - 02/24/02 06:56 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Damn, Josh...look at your hand. You really need to find a girlfriend.


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    #561824 - 02/24/02 06:37 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

He has a wedding ring on ass....


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    #561856 - 02/24/02 07:19 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

That's not a wedding ring you retard.


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    #561928 - 02/24/02 08:41 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I looked at my hand and don't see how it would reflect the need for a girlfriend, even if I didn't have a wedding ring on it.


Here are some more pics to update my PR casings:












Here are some fatty pins I look forward to watching grow:)!





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    #561937 - 02/24/02 08:54 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

It looks all wrinkley and soft...You must use a lot of hand lotion.


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    #561949 - 02/24/02 09:06 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

It looks all wrinkley and soft...
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Sounds like a comment a virgin who sees a penis for the first time would make:).

Regular use of lotion would actually lessen the wrinkles on my hands. Yes they are generally soft. I am a student and work in retail. The use of my hands as labor instruments is very little. It's hard to work up calouses when you are typing on a keyboard all day. Here in the states I believe it is customary to wear your wedding ring on your left ring finger as shown in the pic. I am looking for a girlfriend on the side though. Do you have a sister who is of age and not half as ugly as you?

Just kidding:). I'm sure if you had a sister she would kick my ass because she probably is a burly Canadian hockey player who chews tobacco:).

Let's keep the name calling to a minimum in my threads.

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    #561980 - 02/24/02 09:48 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm, mysterious.


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    #562016 - 02/24/02 10:48 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

lol.lol..Nice pins josh my pr's werent that big.....looks like a carpet of cotton....overlay city.looks very promising..

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    #562031 - 02/24/02 11:15 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Jeez Josh, anyone who can make Nighted respond with "hmmmm... mysterious" must be really good at confrontations.  That has got to be a first :wink:


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    #562043 - 02/24/02 11:33 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

dude try scratching again after you pick the flush, now that you got them to pin they should pin again without stalling, scratching after this flush will increase your flush by a LOT this next time.

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    #563244 - 02/26/02 12:37 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I am really likin' these PR's. They have huge caps in proportion to thier bodies. I am getting very good pinning even with overlay. I like 'em alot:).




That's my middle finger to show size. I have pretty big hands. These three are the largest pins I've seen. Bigger than any of my Koh Samui.


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    #563292 - 02/26/02 01:18 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Call me tomarro josh, damn i want to eat som of those when they mature! Those are like my EQ pins! there gonna be huge.

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    #563294 - 02/26/02 01:21 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

azurepower are those the eq's I sent you? I had a few huge shrooms from that crop, they should get real big. your mazatecs are getting overlayed pretty heavily, I scratched today so I should see pinheads in a few days I hope.

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    #563302 - 02/26/02 01:28 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

hi...Josh

Those are looking good !!!!
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    #563362 - 02/26/02 03:04 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

That virgin comment was pretty good. No sense trying to top that! Touch?!


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    #563701 - 02/26/02 11:01 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Josh you gotta tell how the high is with those dudes.

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    #565328 - 02/27/02 11:22 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Growing these PR's is like riding a roller coaster. They seem to be stalling now. I lowered my temps a couple of days ago to 76-78.......FUUUUUUCK!!!!!

I just went to go take a closer look at my cake...what do I see...fucking contams. I threw out the casing my friend gave me a couple of days ago because it had a spot of green on it. Looks like the green transferred to my good casing. I sterilised the area with a torch lighter and sprayed it w/ lysol. Now I know what was going on. It seems as if the mycelium network responded to the contam invasion and put off fruiting. I will wait and see what happens. Here are the pics for now. So far I think I could be the Contam King. It seems as if all of my cool projects go this way. I can look back and see where my trouble started, so at least I have a lesson. I was really looking forward to watching those huge pins mature. I will cross my fingers and hope they still do.








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    #565383 - 02/28/02 12:20 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I noticed that I got some fat little aborts from them. Aside from that they produced ok. I had no overlay problems because I heavily watered down the casings. I'm just now seeing pins from the second flush.


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    #565482 - 02/28/02 03:36 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Even if your casing had contaminants, would you eat what you produced if you picked it right away? I've done that and the trip is the same. No problems.


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    #566431 - 02/28/02 11:51 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Depends on the contam. It is generally unsafe to take any risks by eating shrooms off of contamed substrates.

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    #566807 - 03/01/02 11:24 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

The PR casing is dead

The contam came back strong. I looked down the side of the pan and saw the contam all over. I had to throw it out. Sorry to end things like this folks.

I have PR growing on rye right now. If all goes well you should be seeing a new PR post w/i the next couple of weeks. I think things will go much better this next time around.

Thanks for tuning in an learning all about mistakes with me.

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    #566904 - 03/01/02 12:31 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo!

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Re: Puerto Rican [Re: Joshua]
    #566915 - 03/01/02 12:50 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I also have a casing of PR going right now, also overlaying strong, on the other hand producing many, many pins:


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    #566919 - 03/01/02 12:59 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Sure...rub it in Anno:).

I guess it's only appropriate that we show the right way (Anno) and the wrong way (Joshua) to grow these.

Make sure to post some more pics as they fruit.

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Re: Puerto Rican [Re: Joshua]
    #566938 - 03/01/02 01:32 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

joshua dont put yourself down like that; wtf?
i sure hope my PR?s come out like yours; you did good on the casing it was just unfortunate that it got infected. i still got a week or so on my jars though; and im going to try preventing the overlay.... somehow.....
anno?s is nice also but; no disrespect; most of those pins will abort. i was shocked to see that pic anno; ive only heard PR?s to be a very good strain about fruiting; not many aborts. although if they all did grow up tall wow!!
anno- is that straight rye or did you spawn something? mine are on rye too; well see how it goes.


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Re: Puerto Rican [Re: Joshua]
    #566992 - 03/01/02 02:32 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry Josh, that wasn?t ment this way.

From my experience also many, many of those pins abort.

I?ll definitely show more pictures once the fruits get bigger.

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    #567011 - 03/01/02 02:49 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I know you didn?t mean it that way, I was just giving you a hard time.

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Re: Puerto Ricans [Re: Joshua]
    #567321 - 03/01/02 10:10 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry to see the casing end like that, but I must say that the potential was huge! At least you did get some fruits off of it (btw, what was the dry weight of all the harvested mushrooms?)

On another note, I have PR cakes in the fruiting cycle now, and those things are still producing mycelium (they are starting to get fluffy on the top!) It's my first time growing, but I hope for these to be verrrrry potent!

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Re: Puerto Ricans [Re: anon13579]
    #567403 - 03/01/02 11:28 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Josh why on earth do you have so many problems with contams? Is it the climate you live in? maybe your house has somthing in it.. i'd try to re-evaluate and see if you can find the source of the problem.. cuz I never get contams, (well rarely ever, I have got them in the past though) and my room isn't even that clean.

if you keep getting so many contam problems then trying to grow shrooms seems pointless. Azurepower lives in the same area, does he get the same thing? doesn't seem like it..

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    #567537 - 03/02/02 04:35 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Good luck with PR guys, I gave up on them, I noticed all those pins that turn into abhorts lead so much possibility to exposure to contaminants. The fact that I am not good with sterility, I just said, forget those PRs. My treasure coast had a better primordia maturing rate. Anno...do you know how to a way to make it so that there aren't that many pins / abhorts on the PR?


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Re: Puerto Ricans [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #567704 - 03/02/02 12:05 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

The contam issue is bad luck and lack of sterility on my part. It's ironic that you mention Azurepower. The casing that caused my current outbreak was one that I got from him. I have had a bad ant problem lately. They get into everything and track contams all over. My hay tray went to contams from opening it up too much, and opening it on the floor. I've learned from all of these problems and hopefully will have them under control in the future.

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Re: Puerto Ricans [Re: mrdasani]
    #568078 - 03/02/02 09:40 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with you 100%, I did the same thing, no more pr's for me.. way to much of a pain in the ass. Equador is the nicest strain to grow, by far.

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    #569390 - 03/04/02 07:55 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Evolving....


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Re: Puerto Ricans [Re: Anno]
    #569594 - 03/04/02 12:29 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Very nice Anno !!!

Thats a hell of alot of pins.....wondering how many will abort.


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    #569785 - 03/04/02 05:06 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Many, many.....

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Re: Puerto Ricans [Re: Anno]
    #569801 - 03/04/02 05:33 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

WOWEY!!!!! If those all mature that would be the most compact flush i have ever seen, this strain is so wierd huh.........I am Currently spawning horse dung in spawn bags with PR rye inoculation, seeing that its such rhizmorphic nature hopefully it will colonize the dung fast.

Has anyone tried to grow PR's on dung yet?

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    #572981 - 03/07/02 10:06 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I thought I'd re activate this thread.  Very nice job Josh.  Don't cut yourself down!! I seem to have a bad problem with contams too.  Damn Anno those PR's are looking great.  You need to post an update. :smile: 

Josh where do you get your spores from?  I seem to be reading a lot of your threads lately and all seem to have great success.  I just ordered some from spore works and I'm hoping they'll be good ones (I have yet to recieve them).  I had a bad contam problem in my last batch, but I believe it was due to lack of experience.  Anyways, good luck in future batches.  And Anno, post an update. :smile:

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    #573139 - 03/08/02 12:56 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for the positive words:peace:.

I obtained most of my spores through trading. I now have enough spores to keep me busy for a long while. As I grow these various strains out I will be offering their prints for trade, offering them for free w/ a SASE, or giving them away in contests.

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    #573164 - 03/08/02 01:39 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Holy fuck balls Anno! I've never seen so many pins, my god, please keep us updated on the progress! :smile:

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Re: Puerto Ricans [Re: Anno]
    #573169 - 03/08/02 01:49 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I had to check this out once I saw that "Holy fuck balls!" comment. That is a grip of pins. It looks like a lot will abort, but a lot will mature. You have to keep us updated. That would be insane if you got them all to mature. Is there anything you can do in a case like that to try and get more to mature and not abort? My guess would be serveral mistings a day from far away as not to damage the pins, but to give them the water they need. Am i completely off?


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Re: Puerto Ricans [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #573257 - 03/08/02 07:22 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I always put a syringe of sterile water down into my bottom layer of verm evey other day during heavy growth. This sponge layer supplies the most of the water so all those pins will have plenty,, and very few aborts are a result..Misting the top is not enough water to supply that many growing shrooms...Remember there 90% water......


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Re: Puerto Ricans [Re: Thor]
    #574992 - 03/10/02 12:34 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

The first is the casing with the many, many pins, further down 2 other puerto rican casings cased at the same time.




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Re: Puerto Ricans [Re: Anno]
    #575012 - 03/10/02 12:53 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

christ on a bicycle! i seriously never would have thought that casing would perform so well with all those pins and that overlay problem!

looks great - abhorts or no.

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    #575066 - 03/10/02 02:05 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

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    #577061 - 03/12/02 03:41 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

what's the envrionment there Anno?
Antonius?

If so, how do you (and how much do you) air exchange, and what are the humidity levels at each stage?

btw, awesome work!  :wink:

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    #577104 - 03/12/02 04:37 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Antonius, yes.
I hooked up a cool mist humidifier to the shelf, which is on for 10 minutes every 2 hours.
The humidity at the top is about 95% and in the middle about 90%.

I let the casings pin at the top and then move them to the middle of the setup for fruiting.

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    #577259 - 03/12/02 06:52 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

that is godlike, I cant wait until I'm a little more financially able to influence my setups.


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    #577625 - 03/13/02 04:57 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Anno you are to shroomin what Joe Montana was to NFL football in America. Keep on giving us all the advice and wisdom man.


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Re: Puerto Ricans [Re: SouthernGent]
    #582948 - 03/19/02 01:08 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Another casing:



This casing was recased, now the mycelium is overlaying again, nothing one can do against, it?s just in the nature of the Puerto Rican strain if grown on grains.


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Re: Puerto Ricans [Re: Anno]
    #582989 - 03/19/02 02:10 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Josh just finish reading your post sorry for your loss. ANNO your are the BOSS those look great....Baby Bear has some PR's colonizing Rye Grass Seed right now....hope they turn out just as nice as yours..

Keep on Shroomin....  :wink: 

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    #584914 - 03/21/02 02:48 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

If at first you don't succeed....:).

I justed spawned Dr. Bluethumbs compost with rye. I made up two foil baking trays. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

In vitro pinning (sorry about the quality)


More invitro pinning


Broken up colonised rye


After mixing compost and rye


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Re: Puerto Rican [Re: Joshua]
    #585301 - 03/21/02 01:27 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

i worked with puertos for about 3 months and had different results. i tried cakes, casings with coir and 50/50 , hongus tek and a flatcake[image] this is the best results and easiest from what i found. it is a flatcake. it seems that most of my casings were sparse but did have a ton of pins but most of the pins didn't mature. http://shroomery.org/wwwthreads/files/22205-puert2.jpg
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Re: Puerto Ricans [Re: Joshua]
    #585363 - 03/21/02 02:23 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

please; joshua...
i love your pics and logs; i enjoy reading them and seeing what you have to show.
but PLEASE for the love of god and for everyone with a 5x86 processor with onboard video....
START A NEW THREAD!
i really want to view your logs; especially pr's but damn theres 13 pages in this old contaminated thread as it is. start a new thread for a new grow log man; not all of os have athlons!!! :wink:
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    #585420 - 03/21/02 03:09 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Point well taken.

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