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Failed LSA Extraction
    #5364196 - 03/04/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My friends and I attempted the following extraction posted on the morning glory FAQ on Erowid:

An alternative processing method occured to me since writing the FAQ in light of the apparent current difficulty in obtaining petroleum ether:

1. Proceed with a water extraction from the seed meal: Soak the meal in water and then filter off the water with a coffee filter, discarding the filter and solid matter, keeping the water.

2. Evaporate all the water until only a brown sludge remains. Do this maintaining the lowest possible temperature since lysergic compounds break down at relatively low temperatures. If you have access to a vacuum pump, use it. If you can perform this processing 5-10,000 feet above sea level or higher, do so. Otherwise, try blowing a fan across a flat pan such as a cookie sheet or pizza pan.

3. When only sludge remains, redissolve it in alcohol, perform any shamanic rituals desired with this material, then filter again and drink.

This process will preserve the "instant high" effect of the process described in the FAQ without incurring the "fish-eye" toxic side-effect.

We ground up about 7 grams of seeds for each of us in a coffee grinder, soaked in water for 2 nights, then filtered the water overnight. It took an extremely long time, probably 12 hours in total and we had to set up 3 filters at once, we suspect it's because our coffee filters were cheap and crappy. The next morning we poured the filtered water onto a flat pizza pan, blew a fan across it and let all the water evaporate. Once it did, we scraped the brown stuff leftover and soaked it in Bacardi 151 for half an hour, then strained out the solids and drank the alcohol with some orange juice. We felt pretty buzzed after drinking it, much more so than we should have because we only had a little over 1 oz each of alcohol, and we felt slightly nauseaous so we smoked some pot and felt much more high than usual, but aside from that, nothing at all happened. We think we didn't let the sludge soak in alcohol long enough, but the instructions on Erowid weren't very explicit. Can anyone confirm this or propose an alternate reason why the extraction failed?


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Re: Failed LSA Extraction [Re: DrGeek]
    #5364401 - 03/04/06 11:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hmm, doesnt sound like a very good extraction to me.
i dont see water extracting chemicals from those tough seeds very well.
petroleum ether is easy to find. get some v,m,&p naptha.


oh yeah, how many seeds is seven grams?


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Re: Failed LSA Extraction [Re: A0999]
    #5364574 - 03/04/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

According to Erowid:
250 - 400 seeds = 6 - 10 g

So at least 250 seeds. The seeds were ground up in a coffee grinder first, so the toughness of the seeds shouldn't have anything to do with it. A water extraction was the traditional method for some Native Americans.

In a few hours, my friend is going to eat the discarded brown sludge flakes, we'll see if that does anything, then I'll know if it was just the short amount of alcohol soak time that was the factor.


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Re: Failed LSA Extraction [Re: DrGeek]
    #5364657 - 03/04/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Post back telling us if your friend trips from the discards. I'm wanting to extract LSA from morning glory seeds sometime soon.


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Re: Failed LSA Extraction [Re: Fruitboot]
    #5364701 - 03/04/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'd recomend Hawiian Baby Woodrose myself - need to eat far less seeds. If the seeds are potent, you only need to eat a few of them to trip. With morning glory - you seem to need to eat alot more.


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Re: Failed LSA Extraction [Re: kaniz]
    #5364947 - 03/04/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well my friend just ate the flakes and says his stomach really hurts. Hopefully that is a precursor to tripping. He recovered 2.5 grams of flakes and ate one gram.


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Re: Failed LSA Extraction [Re: DrGeek]
    #5365165 - 03/04/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

*just to make things clear im not giving dosage advice and you shouldnt do anything i say.*

persoanlly
i dont think 250 seeds is anywhere near enough.
250 seeds is hardly enough for one dose.
so you are trying to trip from 125 seeds. well i dont think its going to happen.
it it were me i would eat at least 500 seeds. and thats just for me(one person).


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Re: Failed LSA Extraction [Re: A0999]
    #5366235 - 03/05/06 12:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

My friend ate 1 gram of the retrieved morning glory flakes, felt nothing but stomach sickness, so he smoked a tiny bit of marijuana, no effects besides alleviated nausaea. After 3 hours, he ingested the remaining 1.5 grams of morning glory flakes, he said he felt like he was on the verge of something awesome happening, but nothing ever happened. I think next time we will just grind up the seats and eat them. I did order some HWB seeds though.


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Re: Failed LSA Extraction [Re: DrGeek]
    #5375032 - 03/07/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think I may have discovered one reason the extraction didn't work. We used tap water, and apparently the chlorine in it destroys LSA. Is that true?


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Re: Failed LSA Extraction [Re: DrGeek]
    #5375132 - 03/07/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i believe so, you are going to have to use distilled or purified water.


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