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Strawlog Dunking
    #5361160 - 03/03/06 10:56 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I for those of you who followed the strawlog tek at mycotopian, found here: http://www.mycotopia.net/discus/messages/5/26705.html?1062098623 , I know there have been some post here as well about it, but it seems that the only problem with this wonder is that is a first flush one flush wonder, i was wondering if anyone had any success with doing a dunk of these logs after the first flush to get decent yeils on additional flushes? The main problem seemed to be moving of the log, that it wasnt ridged enough to transport and could harm the mycelium network by messing with it. I was thinking if you use chickenwire or hardware cloth to make the tube, back the straw in this, and then tiely wrap that with some clear plastic sheeting with holes through out it, this would then be ridged enough to dunk in a bleach dunk for additional flushes. I do believe i will try this none the less, but please if anyone out there has tried this, i would love to hear of your success/duh! stories reguarding the strawlogs. Skipping the casing layer makes this so much easier, but at the same time no casing means limited additional flushes from loss of moisture, If the moisture could easily be replenished this would seem to be the king of bulk. Thanks, Lucid.


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Re: Strawlog Dunking [Re: _Lucid_]
    #5361201 - 03/03/06 11:17 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Lots of people have dunked their logs with success, others with failure. Smaller logs are definitely easier to handle when it comes to dunking. The biggest reason in my opinion for using logs for one massive flush is the increased chance of contamination from straw after a single flush, whether one uses logs or bins. It should be noted that the majority of fruits from straw will always come from the first flush. Thus, the increased chance of contamination and the resulting green spore drop must be weighed against the limited return from a second and succeeding flushes. I'm sure others will pop in with their experiences as well. A lot of it depends on the climate and the contaminant spore load in the area you grow. During the winter, your chances of success with multiple flushes will be substantially greater than during the summer when the trich spore load is much greater. I hope this helps you make an informed decision.
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Re: Strawlog Dunking [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5361235 - 03/03/06 11:29 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Oh i totaly agree with the first flush being the largest for straw, but from past experiences using large rubermaid bins with straw and 50/50 peat/verm casing ive gotten decent 3rd flushes all the way to a 5th flush most of the time, obviously the last usualy being around maybe a 10th or less the amount in wieght as the first, but still, its nice to soak out as much as you possibly can from each batch is how i feel. I hear ya about the size vs dunking though, i guess if one had a bunch of 1-2 foot logs it wouldnt be bad, but a 6 ft log might be a bit combersome to dunk, not to mention where else but your bath tub would you do it? heh. Now contamination, yes, thats a biggy, thats why i was thinking one would need to do a bleach dunk, straight up water definitly would not cut it. Even with that yes, i would imagine it to be problematic at times. Dop you happen to have any links to topics/pictures of people's second flush on strawlogs, with and or without dunks by any chance?


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Re: Strawlog Dunking [Re: _Lucid_]
    #5361351 - 03/03/06 12:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

oh additionaly, if a ridged frame like chickenwire was used, i dont see why you couldnt use 25-50% manure mixed in there as well, this would probably help keep it from getting contaminated too. that i would also like to see some pics of, is a manure/straw log, but unforchunatly after a lot of searching i havnt really been able to find any pictures of this sort of thing.


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Re: Strawlog Dunking [Re: _Lucid_]
    #5361911 - 03/03/06 03:07 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Because more than about 10% manure will screw up a strawlog. I still recommend one flush, then burying in the garden outside. Straw is so cheap, your real estate is better served by making a new log and putting the area to better use with another massive flush, rather than going to all that work for a hit or miss second flush. Of course I should say the above is just my opinion, others are free to disagree.
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Re: Strawlog Dunking [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5362066 - 03/03/06 03:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

lucid-
in our Vaults forum, on mycotopia.net-
under Straw also see Dunking
you can find threads on successfully dunking straw logs.
[right now as i post this 'topia is offline but ck back soon]


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Re: Strawlog Dunking [Re: Hippie3]
    #5362154 - 03/03/06 04:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I did some experimenting with rolling a bubble wand into the center of a straw log.
After pasturizing I would attach an alcohol sterilized piece of fish pump tubing with an inline fuel filter between the pump and the log. I used it for air exchange and adjusting moisture content within the log.
They ran dry with all the extra air so I started injecting distilled water into the tubing and let the pump push it into the center of the log.
One log gave me five (Yes. I said five) flushes before it contaminated.


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Re: Strawlog Dunking [Re: _Lucid_]
    #5362312 - 03/03/06 05:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Roger, trust me, if it wasnt for the fact that i live in an appartement and have no yard, i think my whole back yard would be a big grow plot, haha, besides the fact that this is half a foot of snow everywhere right now of course... But that being said, bringing in bails of staw in and out of my appartment is definitly the sort of thing that grabs my landlords attention, he has nothing else to do all day but stare out the window and watch people. so i tend to just use those little bails of straw you can get a craft stores for $5, which ends up not making it exactly "cheap" but it also helps with keeping the spore load down in my appartement, due to chopping straw up by hand (not to mention the carpel tunnel). So i think you could understand why i would want to get as much out of each piece of staw as possible, not to mention there is a lot of work that goes into preparing and waiting for spawn to colonise, and the cost of rye/millet (ya i know, not a lot, but it all adds up in the end) then the pain in the ass of preparing pasterised straw in the appartment, i almost, well did, clog the drain with some straw the other day, i was able to fix the problem, i just hope next time it doesnt clog somewhere deeper down the plumbing i cant get too, that would then require my landlord to get a plumber to snake it out, that would suck. especialy if they are like, wtf? why in the world is there straw in the plumbing? if it go far enough from me not to be able to fix, it could then be from anyone in the building of course, but its still a something i wouldnt want to deal with. any hoo... thanks for the link hippie, ya i noticed it was down, tried earlier, but now i luckly know where to look. I guess i just feel if you can, why not, its so much less work i feel in the long run to keep something going than to start all over again, thats like fixing a huge meal that would feed 10 people, eating one, and throwing it all out because you can just fix it again tomarrow, well why not keep it in the fridge and microwave it, well before the fridge and microwave, this may have been the only option, but in the same sence, if we have an option to keep it unspoiled and get more out of it, why not? its such a greater use of resources.


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Re: Strawlog Dunking [Re: _Lucid_]
    #5362623 - 03/03/06 07:00 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yea, I see your point. Here's a couple of tips. Get your bale of straw at a feed store and get the huge bale for the same price as the little ones at a craft store. Stop by U-haul and get three of the medium size boxes. You can stop before you get to your apartment and break the bale down into those three U-haul boxes which won't attract attention as you carry them in.

The other thing, when pasteurizing straw indoors, always put the spent water/straw chunks down the toilet, not the sink. The toilet has a 3" diameter drain, the sink only has a 1 1/4" diameter drain.

I didn't check the link at topia, but I'm pretty sure I know what it is. There's some excellent info on dunking straw projects.
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Re: Strawlog Dunking [Re: _Lucid_]
    #5364440 - 03/04/06 12:13 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

wow, so obvious i didnt even think about it, ya the porceline thrown has a smaller opening to dump water down, but ya, your right, bigger drain, damn! wow, thanks for the advice on that one, im kicking myself in the head for not relising that one up to this point, hahaha, thanks. unforchunatly some things have to be done in the tub, like when draining all the soaking straw in a rubermaid container into pillow cases... well i guess i could just get all the big stuff and say fuck it to the leftovers and put them down the pot. well, ill have to see, I was looking at some stuff over at mycotopia, and was wondering, do you two even activly heat your straw when pasterising, or just boil up pots of water with lime and bleach and add with straw into a rubermaid thats been soaking for a couple hours, so that the temps stay elivated enough to help along the lime in killing the uglies? oh ya, and bleach too, do you add that while its soaking before you do the pasterising with lime, or along with the lime at the same time? well, im sure i can find that info myself, its just late, im tired and sort of on automatic mode right now, my fingers keep moving, they have over taken my brain! im not thinking just typing.


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Re: Strawlog Dunking [Re: _Lucid_]
    #5366543 - 03/05/06 05:35 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Strawlog Dunking [Re: _Lucid_] * 1
    #5653616 - 05/20/06 03:09 PM (18 years, 3 days ago)

I love strawlogs.

Made a couple for my first grow, got several strong flushes.

I made a 3 foot and 1 foot.

The 3 foot typically gave me 80-120 gram fruits(wet, of course) this was just so impressive If I did it again I'de make it this size.

But since, I moved on to my ultra lazy tek

Pasteurize straw, throw it in a black garbage bag and mix in spawn, poke holes.

Leave anywhere inconspicuous for 2 weeks until colonized(not pinning).

(dunk here if you want - in my experience large amounts of straw hold enough water from the initial pastuerization to be fine for 3+ flushes without a casing layer, etc)

Get half a cardboard box, put it in woods(paranoia), cut open bag a little, then visit every week until you're satisfied.

Large amounts of straw are easy to do(I even do the cutting by hand, only takes a few hours), I've never had a contam(with bleach + lime pastuerization it's either not possible or highly improbable), and yields are so amazing I don't feel a need to bother with optimal conditions.

I'll experiment, but for bulk I'm a straw-man
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Re: Strawlog Dunking [Re: ravin0ff]
    #5656547 - 05/21/06 02:24 PM (18 years, 2 days ago)

sorry did not feel like reading all those long post and still have yet to do a log but what about rolling the log in like shicken wire to keep it in one piece and might not harm the myc as bed


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    #5656803 - 05/21/06 03:38 PM (18 years, 2 days ago)

lazy bugger, you're in the wrong forum


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