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smoothie
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jiffy mix
#5359728 - 03/02/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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where can i find jiffy mix, i looked on homedepot.com and didnt see it there..??
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mycodetour
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Re: jiffy mix [Re: smoothie]
#5359732 - 03/02/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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go to the store
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ChronicBarry
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Yea, just hit up the store. I found mine at Lowes. I haven't used it yet but I picked up a bag that had perlite in it. I've read in post that this isn't that bad of a thing. I plan on doing a 60/40 mix with some verm. Anyone else done this?
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Jiff mix can be used as is out of the bag..
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Re: jiffy mix [Re: Hotnuts]
#5360462 - 03/03/06 02:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Apparently there are different types of JiffyMix. Some has Perlite, some has Vermiculite.
Some knowledgable board member just clued us all in this afternoon.
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Yeah, it makes a big difference. I fucked up and used the stuff w/ perlite and I'm payin for it now. The perlite has already sucked a lot of moisture out of my casing and its only been 24hrs.
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Re: jiffy mix [Re: jamman]
#5360888 - 03/03/06 08:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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the perlite did not "suck it out", right? it just made shit airy enough to evaporate quickly? i think you will be fine if you just keep it watered.
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i use scotts metro mix 360C. They have a ton of different mixes. i get the 360 with coir. it is peat, coir, fine verm, bark ash, wetting agent, and ph balance. it has too much coir, but not enough verm. so i add chunky verm. more water retention to the mix, makes it more airy and loose, and brings the end coir percentage down a lot. its like 30 or 40% out of the bag. i don't like using that much coir.
its basically like jiffymix, only a little different. oh, and im pretty sure you can use jet dry as a wetting agent.
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Hey jamman, did you mix your Jiffy with any verm or just cased straight up?
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jamman
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I messed up and did it without verm, but I wish i would've noticed before I used it. I'm probably just gonna try and find a new batch with verm in it or switch to peat and verm. The perlite is a bitch
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Re: jiffy mix [Re: jamman]
#5361516 - 03/03/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've used both that contain either the perlite or vermiculite. There's not much of a difference in the 2 really. Both are Peat Moss based. If the casing layer's drying up on you, it's not the products fault.
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Re: jiffy mix [Re: jamman]
#5361544 - 03/03/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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jamman said: Yeah, it makes a big difference. I fucked up and used the stuff w/ perlite and I'm payin for it now. The perlite has already sucked a lot of moisture out of my casing and its only been 24hrs.
I've always used the stuff with perlite and haven't had a problem. Casings lose moisture fairly quickly anyway, that's why you mist and fan daily.
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Re: jiffy mix [Re: smoothie]
#5361547 - 03/03/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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There isn't a big difference as far as the peat goes, but the verm will provide water retention where as the perlite will provide an airy soil and no water retention, right...?
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Re: jiffy mix [Re: jamman]
#5361628 - 03/03/06 01:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Perlite retains water, yet not as well as vermiculite. So, all in all a vermiculite mix would be better on paper. But, not much of a difference on substrates...
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Re: jiffy mix [Re: Hotnuts]
#5361669 - 03/03/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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By the way. I'm not saying to replace vermiculite with perlite if needed in your own casing mixture. Vermiculite indeed is superior to perlite, but not a big deal when locating and using Jiffy Mix...
Edited by hotnutz (03/03/06 02:01 PM)
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Re: jiffy mix [Re: Hotnuts]
#5361680 - 03/03/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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perlite doesnt retain water.. it wicks it into the air which is why its so good at creating humidty
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Right and wrong at the same time. Perlite has been proven to hold 2-4 times it's dry weight per volume. Terrible water retaining strength, yet still holds water.
This is why the material is good to use for humidification along with it's porus texture.
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mycodetour said: perlite doesnt retain water.. it wicks it into the air which is why its so good at creating humidty
Right, but what hotnutz and I are getting at is that the jiffy mix with the perlite in it will work just FINE.
 
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Re: jiffy mix *DELETED* [Re: FooMan]
#5362090 - 03/03/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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What is the difference on the look of the bag for the perlite and the vermlite? Or does it say on the bag somewere?
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Look in the ingredients, it will either say horticultural perlite, or vermiculite.
I went to 5 stores today, it was ALL perlite kind, then i found one random bag of vermiculite left over at Lowes and buoght some Peat 
Vermiculite is damn near impossible to find in my town...
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Re: jiffy mix [Re: AKtoker]
#5362586 - 03/03/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Order the verm from the intarweb, its cheap.
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HippieChick said: It might work just FINE , but just FINE has never been GOOD enough for me , lol .
Let me rephrase that, IT WORKS GREAT! LOL
Seriously though, let me break it down for the noobs so you don't go and get them paranoid about buying the "perlite" Jiffy Mix.

Exhibit A: The evil perlite Jiffy Mix  Notice that the perlite is tiny flakes and not the solid rocks that you buy for your FC
 Exhibit B: One of the small perlite flakes.

Exhibit C: The same flake has been rubbed between my fingers. It's so soft that it easily crumbles into dust. OK boys and girls, as we can see, this evil perlite will hardly wick the water out of your casing, let alone stay in one piece for very long and I think it will actually help give the casing a more airy texture. SO EVERYTHING WILL BE OK!  I'm not saying one is better/worse than another, but don't go to 5 different stores like the dude above just to get the verm mix, it's not neccessary at all. There, I've said my peace
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Re: jiffy mix [Re: FooMan]
#5362673 - 03/03/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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pretty hard to argue with your pix
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mycodetour said: perlite doesnt retain water.. it wicks it into the air which is why its so good at creating humidty
Right, but what hotnutz and I are getting at is that the jiffy mix with the perlite in it will work just FINE.
 
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Re: jiffy mix [Re: Hippie3]
#5362698 - 03/03/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Great shot Fooman! You might want to blur your finger prints if you are paranoid! LMFAO!
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#5362734 - 03/03/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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HippieChick said: While those photos proved the perlite really isn't big enough to wick much moisture , the same can be said about it not being big enough to ABSORB much either .
If it's not wicking much because it's not absorbing much , how can that be Great , lol .
Why would a casing mix that's about 99% peat not absorb water? The remaining perlite (dust) isn't even a factor. Like I stated, I don't believe either one is better or worse, they're just different. Both will still have to be misted regularly and both are pH balanced the same. You will still get a great gourmet meal from either one. 
Are we arguing HC? I don't want that
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