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#5359554 - 03/02/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi to all:
I am very interested in individual spirituality. There is an abundance of literature and several different ways to achieve this desired interest of mine. To and for me--it can only be obtained in steps--not all at one time.
This topic of mine seems to be a constant drive in my life. I have found out, it has required a lot of self-dedication and self-discipline on my behalf.
You see, most of my life, I raised like--do it like this or no, this is the correct it's done. As I ponder on all this, I just shake my head and sigh--unbelievable. I discovered, I need to live for myself by doing what makes me happy.
I have since been letting go of my old thinking patterns and the way I was molded--I like the new me better. Simply, because the new me is more in-tune with me, nature and not society. After all, if a person does not live for them-self, what is the point of life. Whose life is or was it?
I've always and still do have trouble dealing with people who do not present themselves in their true forms. To me it's a waste of life to people who have to be fake to think this is the only way they can be liked or accepted by another human. It's absurd!
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Re: individaul spirituality [Re: silver22]
#5359962 - 03/02/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Welcome aboard 
You'll find many like minded individuals here to share and discuss your lessons and thoughts with.
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Re: individaul spirituality [Re: silver22]
#5360298 - 03/03/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It sounds to me like you would find Objectivism a philosophy that fits your mind. It emphasizes individuality, and living for yourself - and in reality. The philosophy of Objectivism facilitates the use of reason, and supports reason as man's absolute means of gaining knowledge [as opposed to mystic endowment or the like]. It is a very absolutist philosophy in a very anti-absolutist society - but as you mentioned yourself, you want a philosophy that is more in-tune with yourself and nature - not society. All the more reason I suggest Objectivism to yourself; it recognizes the metaphysical absolutism of nature, establishes following principles and corollaries in a very complete and integrated system from metaphysics, to epistemology, to politics and even esthetics. It is elegantly reality based and non-contradictory.
I recommend three books for starters: "For The New Intellectual", and the "Virtue of Selfishness", and then "Philosophy: Who Needs It".
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good words. I will check those books out soon!
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Thanks for taking the time to respond and recommending the reads. I often get overwhelmed with the daily living tasks/work, etc. and it just seems like I blow off what I really want to do for myself. I will explore these books you've suggested. Thanks!
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
#5361735 - 03/03/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank-you for welcoming me aboard. I get mentally recharged when I associate myself with like-minded people--it's awesome! I look forward to mingling.
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
#5362135 - 03/03/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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see, i have a middle philosophy, reason is corrupt, all it does is destroy and control. Look at our culture, a culture ruled by reason.. nature is being cut down, we live in boxes disconnected from our true selves and eachother, we have to be robots to fit in with society. To say reason is our only option is to give in to this very same idea.
Me, it started when our culture rejected me, so i said fine, i'll go my own way. So, i basically took a good look at all the things society said is bad/invalid. For instance imagination i have discovered is the subconscious, and our way of talking to it. But society says it is meaningless.. well gee how come i can heal myself and see far away places with it?
in essence, trust yourself and your gut.. your subconscious knows alot more than your rational mind, if you choose to listen.
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humans are social creatures, and our society is a natural extension of us. if you weren't imbedded in this society you wouldn't be what you are right now. all of your opinions and ideas, and by extension your entire sense of self (or ego), are a result of being a part of this system.
"see, i have a middle philosophy, reason is corrupt, all it does is destroy and control. Look at our culture, a culture ruled by reason.. nature is being cut down, we live in boxes disconnected from our true selves and eachother, we have to be robots to fit in with society. To say reason is our only option is to give in to this very same idea. "
i'd say it is because of a lack of reason that these ills of society are manifested.
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: chucksteak]
#5362866 - 03/03/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'd say it is because of a lack of reason that these ills of society are manifested.
Correct. Such philosophical disasters of our society [most of which are in the humanities, rather than the sciences] have their roots in anti-reason; which is to say they stem from anti-reality based philosophy, e.g., mysticism.
Reason is the faculty which percieves, identifies and integrates the perceptual data provided by man's senses. Reason integrates the data by means of conceptions and abstractions, which raises his knowledge from the perceptual level to the conceptual level. Reason is the perception of reality, and rests upon one single axiom: the Law of Identity.
Mysticism is the acceptance of allegations without proof, arbitrary claims with no basis in reality except as arbitrariness, either apart from or against the evidence of man's senses. Mysticism gives rise to faith and force; Reason gives rise to knowledge and freedom.
Contrary to what some think, our society [again, mostly in its humanities] is far from a reasonable one. If the contrary were true, there would be hardly any -if not none at all- 'illnesses' today.
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reason is not corrupt it is just not more incorruptible than anything else. you must work it out for yourself. until the horse is thirsty the stream is an obstacle.
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Re: individaul spirituality [Re: silver22]
#5363959 - 03/04/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You should become a Scientologist.
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I might be off topic but I believe these are very valid points but can you have Mysticism without Reason? One without the other? what would there be to compare and contrast with? How would there be right without wrong? In my opinion its the balance between the Known and the UN-known the truth and the grace that not only forges but determines what we feel and subsequently what we think.
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: DriAno]
#5364421 - 03/04/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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mysticism is reasoning - that is why it runs into the thicket. 'course that is the only way to go.
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i give respect to you in having the courage and power to take ahold of your life,let go of the old, and let in the new. Im sure you have come to find that life is a journey, one of many experiences all playing their own role in the progression of your mind and soul.
i know, and im sure many do, understand what its like to deal with the stresses of "life," when one wishes so much to spend more time opening their innerselves up, and grasping their most powerful essense of spirituality, and working towards the progression of their mind and consciousness.
love is an energy you must find. no life, is a waste of life.
all is meant to be.
everyone is on their own path, experiencing their own personal events adding to their own progression. whether they conscioussly realize it or not. some souls are old and some are new. to judge one by niaveness or lack of understanding, only shows selfishness, for those thoughts do not carry a helping hand of love to that person.
surrounding yourself with judgement through day to day interaction with people, will only take its toll on you.
you must learn to love, and accept all that is. there are no standards to meet when unconditional love is there for the taking, and you must grasp every living thing with it, and live your life by it if you truely wish to live by natures word. all is their for a reason.
within my heart of hearts i give to you my love and energy of thought, to help guide you and help you along your path to truth, and happiness. May you find what you have come to find, may you live how we all should,
and may harmony overcome.
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: ob1kinsmokey]
#5365256 - 03/04/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree.
I like that thought although its hard to give that kind of love when you don't know what its like to love unconditionally. how do you find something when you don't know what to look for?
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: DriAno]
#5365364 - 03/04/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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DriAno said: I like that thought although its hard to give that kind of love when you don't know what its like to love unconditionally.
To love unconditionally is to fully accept and embrace all qualities of the person who you are interacting with in this moment, to eliminate any inner resistance to identifying with that person as a human being, as of being the same as oneself - consciousness.
How does one accomplish the act of loving unconditionally? Determine the path of your conscious mental thoughts, and direct them towards making no objection to, demand or expectation of the experience and the aspects of reality that are being experienced.
Being more conscious and realized within the present tense, the now moment, the only space in which we live, naturally means that one will unconditionally love all aspects of reality,as they are that which they are. 
That is to say, focus on and remain aware of your breathing. 
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Follow your own path, for what other paths are suggested could possibly be your own?
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very well said, the more I read what you wrote the more I see the picture--although I must it's not very appealing--it's rather bland. It seems to me like a waste of human essence (natural state of being.) Although, in my line of work, I get to enjoy some of the few people I meet--true sense of self. That is an awesome gift. Other than that, I see all the robots whom are out to only benefit themselves--which to me is rather disgusting.
Thanks for your insight.
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
#5367189 - 03/05/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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fireworks definetely has it down.
but to put it in other words not so, ascended master like, you could say unconditional love, among other things, is realizing everyone is in their own reality, and living up to their own truth. although it may not agree with your principles, it is what they live by, and what is a part of them.
to unconditionally love one must respect where that person stands and empathize on why they do, as well as remain untainted in negative moments.
also on a more broad spectrum it is truely just riding yourself of judgement.
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: ob1kinsmokey]
#5376105 - 03/07/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hello
I apologize, you're 100% correct, "no life, life is a waste of life." I meant to say, to me it's the way some people choose to live their lives be condemning, criticizing, hurting, competing and not looking out for what really matters in this journey--humanity.
Many of life's circumstances that have occurred in my life have been obstacles that I have overcome have learned a great deal that I could not have learned anywhere else.
My point is, I do not understand why--would any one would ever intentionally stalk and hurt another individual. I do have issues with these types of situations. The only thing that I know that stands true about most of these acts of violence is that they are not prejudice.
They change the victims' lives forever in every way, shape, and form. This is a controversial issue for me; however, I'm forced to live it--thanks to some selfish stranger who could not refrain from his sick selfish act.
My daily interaction with people is great, I learned a lot from them. I just serve them the best that I can and that is all I can do. I've done my part. For example, I was waiting on a client and the next person got tired of waiting and said I can't wait, I'm leaving. I said, okay.
I give you much thanks for your closing paragraph to me, it's very inspiring.
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
#5376960 - 03/08/06 09:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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silver22 said: My point is, I do not understand why--would any one would ever intentionally stalk and hurt another individual. I do have issues with these types of situations. The only thing that I know that stands true about most of these acts of violence is that they are not prejudice.
The infliction of physical suffering is the expression of inner suffering, on a conscious level or not.
One cannot expect another to understand a concept that their experience that has brought them to this point does not provide for them to understand. Unconditional love springs forth from the realization that we are all human beings, and that we are all at different levels of awareness. We are all on paths towards higher levels of awareness.
Once one realizes this, one can begin to promote awareness, and one's interactions with the rest of the world will naturally influence the levels of awareness that are experienced, whether that influence is on a gradual, subtle scale or not.
Our behavior that we engage in in regards to other human beings has been defined by our experience of interaction with human beings (or our lack thereof ). The window of oppurtunity towards positive change is quite definitely through that. 
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: ob1kinsmokey]
#5376964 - 03/08/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ob1kinsmokey said: but to put it in other words not so, ascended master like
Thus, it is implied that I am like an ascended master. 

I know, I rule. 
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I love all these ideas but I don't think any one has come to express them in a equal or peer to peer more like this is how i feel and it's right. I'm not implying closed-mindedness or trying to tell it's wrong but contex is seriously lacking on internet chat boards. But anyway My personal opinion is people try WAY to hard to look for answers that lie deep in your heart. The answers are inside already you do good you do bad in our personal perspective but I think balance is the key they go together cannot have one without the other.I also feel true spiritual acevment is obtained when you fully open your mind to the things you love and the thinks you hate see them for there true forms love them both with light. My problem is being traped inside mutual communication. I find it hard to accuratly descibe the feeling of our human hearts(And my grammar sucks)
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The infliction of physical suffering is the expression of inner suffering, on a conscious level or not.
One cannot expect another to understand a concept that their experience that has brought them to this point does not provide for them to understand. Unconditional love springs forth from the realization that we are all human We are all on paths towards higher levels of awareness. Our behavior that we engage in in regards to other human beings has been defined by our experience of interaction with human beings (or our lack thereof ). The window of opportunity towards positive change is quite definitely through that.
My whole life I've been a people person. I love people--for we are the quilt of humanity. My personal experience involves a new being, as a result of a stranger's act of self-gratification. Unconditional love is the fundamental element it my picture with my son. It has been quite a learning experience. Balance has also been a very important factor in my life. I'm very thankful that I've had the support that I've had. Thanks for you wonderful insight!
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: Purple_spore]
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Purple_spore said: I love all these ideas but I don't think any one has come to express them in a equal or peer to peer more like this is how i feel and it's right.
And what qualities of our replies suggest that it is this way?
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I'm not implying closed-mindedness or trying to tell it's wrong but contex is seriously lacking on internet chat boards.
Naturally, context is lacking. Which is why I wonder how you came to the conclusion that our expressions are merely resulting from the point "this is how I feel and it is right".
I think you might tend to see things that way, as opposed to ourselves actually exhibiting such traits. 
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: Purple_spore]
#5377157 - 03/08/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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My personal opinion is people try WAY to hard to look for answers that lie deep in your heart.
exactally. everything everyone is looking for they already have. but that being said, the desire for external fufillment is what i struggle the most with. its a hard concept to grasp when youve been trained your whole life that it's the other way around (gotta get money, sex, reputation).
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I also feel true spiritual acevment is obtained when you fully open your mind to the things you love and the thinks you hate see them for there true forms love them both with light.
i recently just finished a book on buddhism, and this was one of the main reoccuring concepts the author touched on. love all. ive found it very difficult to apply it to real life, but when i can actually do it, its extremely rewarding. one way i practice when im meditating is to imagine something that is easy to love (dog, parents, donuts, buddha). once i have established the mind-frame of love, i slowly progress outwards. and the furthur i progress, the harder it is, but the more rewarding it becomes. eventually if i can keep it up long enough i can work my way to the people that i 'hate'. once i can love them, loving everyone else is easy.
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I find it hard to accuratly descibe the feeling of our human hearts
language in general does a lousy job in this aspect, it's not just you. i've pretty much given up in trying to describe how i feel at certain times, i just embrace the moment. and usually when i spend time trying to find words to describe my heart, i get caught up in trying to find the right ones, and loose the feeling that i was trying to describe. so instead i just enjoy it for what it is. a feeling.
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: Purple_spore]
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Purple_spore said: I'm not implying closed-mindedness or trying to tell it's wrong but contex is seriously lacking on internet chat boards. But anyway My personal opinion is people try WAY to hard to look for answers that lie deep in your heart. The answers are inside already you do good you do bad in our personal perspective but I think balance is the key they go together cannot have one without the other.I also feel true spiritual acevment is obtained when you fully open your mind to the things you love and the thinks you hate see them for there true forms love them both with light. My problem is being traped inside mutual communication. I find it hard to accuratly descibe the feeling of our human hearts(And my grammar sucks)
Balance, to me is very important, without it--I'm all dysfunctional. I thought you did very well with your response. My philosophy about letting it out--is to let it out, regardless of the outcome. Thanks for opening my mind about where the answers are-within myself. I guess, I'm somewhat like you--I don't want the whole world to know my personal business. However, I have and still do share it with people . and harmony
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
#5379363 - 03/08/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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SkorpivoMusterion said: i'd say it is because of a lack of reason that these ills of society are manifested.
Correct. Such philosophical disasters of our society [most of which are in the humanities, rather than the sciences] have their roots in anti-reason; which is to say they stem from anti-reality based philosophy, e.g., mysticism.
Mysticism is the acceptance of allegations without proof, arbitrary claims with no basis in reality except as arbitrariness, either apart from or against the evidence of man's senses. Mysticism gives rise to faith and force; Reason gives rise to knowledge and freedom.
Contrary to what some think, our society [again, mostly in its humanities] is far from a reasonable one. If the contrary were true, there would be hardly any -if not none at all- 'illnesses' today.
I really don't know that much about mysticism other than everything that ties into the humanities interests me very much. It sounds like you're way deep into a lot knowledge pertaining to the humanities. May I ask, where, why and how do you know what you know? No pun intended. Just to give you a little insight, I am new on this message board and I'm learning how to use it, so please bear with me--thanks!
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
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May I ask, where, why and how do you know what you know?
About what specifically? The fact that such aforementioned illnesses of the humanities are caused by lack of reason, e.g., mysticism? Plainly put: logic, reason and observation. Once you grasp what reason is, in contrast to mysticism, you begin to see the logical causes of such anti-reality based philosophies as well as the effects of it, whether in your local daily life or in historical recordings or elsewhere. The aforementioned books advised by myself will give you much more insight on what I've discussed above.
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SkorpivoMusterion said: May I ask, where, why and how do you know what you know?
About what specifically? The fact that such aforementioned illnesses of the humanities are caused by lack of reason, e.g., mysticism? Plainly put: logic, reason and observation. Once you grasp what reason is, in contrast to mysticism, you begin to see the logical causes of such anti-reality based philosophies as well as the effects of it, whether in your local daily life or in historical recordings or elsewhere. The aforementioned books advised by myself will give you much more insight on what I've discussed above.
Are you self-educated on the topics of spirituality and mysticism? You convey your words very well and well versed on these subject matters.
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
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Are you self-educated on the topics of spirituality and mysticism? You convey your words very well and well versed on these subject matters.
I've never taken any formal classes on philosophy - so yes, I am self-educated. Keep in mind as well, that I've been a regular in this forum for years now. Just as with everybody else you'll ever speak to on here, I too, was once a "noob". Most people who stick around for a long time will improve their debating skills, writing skills, reading comprehension skills, analytical skills and of course, sharpen/deepen/evolve their philosophical views - this was especially so when folks like Swami [RIP] were around. Also, I've been a bookworm ever since I could pick up a book - much of my writing acumen stems from this.
And my familiarity with mysticism does not stem from merely having read books or debated against it - oh no. In fact, I was somewhat of a mystic [or, if you will, a rational reasonist blindly decieved into mysticism], many years ago - and I've battled philosophical disputes from that end many a time as well. The mystic-inclination was purely a result of total philosophical-nescience as a child - I was left only to my own mind in absence of any actual, explicit philosophical guidance. So of course, look what happened. Eventually I just outgrew it, as my intelligence grew with time and experience, and became more intellectually matured and reason-based rather than faith-based. So naturally I gravitated towards Objectivism sooner or later, a philosophy of science and reason which offers an alternative to mysticism and skepticism and appeals to rational people who are looking for answers and have been given short shrift by religion and contemporary cultures.
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