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silver22
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: ob1kinsmokey]
#5376105 - 03/07/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hello
I apologize, you're 100% correct, "no life, life is a waste of life." I meant to say, to me it's the way some people choose to live their lives be condemning, criticizing, hurting, competing and not looking out for what really matters in this journey--humanity.
Many of life's circumstances that have occurred in my life have been obstacles that I have overcome have learned a great deal that I could not have learned anywhere else.
My point is, I do not understand why--would any one would ever intentionally stalk and hurt another individual. I do have issues with these types of situations. The only thing that I know that stands true about most of these acts of violence is that they are not prejudice.
They change the victims' lives forever in every way, shape, and form. This is a controversial issue for me; however, I'm forced to live it--thanks to some selfish stranger who could not refrain from his sick selfish act.
My daily interaction with people is great, I learned a lot from them. I just serve them the best that I can and that is all I can do. I've done my part. For example, I was waiting on a client and the next person got tired of waiting and said I can't wait, I'm leaving. I said, okay.
I give you much thanks for your closing paragraph to me, it's very inspiring.
peace out
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
#5376960 - 03/08/06 09:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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silver22 said: My point is, I do not understand why--would any one would ever intentionally stalk and hurt another individual. I do have issues with these types of situations. The only thing that I know that stands true about most of these acts of violence is that they are not prejudice.
The infliction of physical suffering is the expression of inner suffering, on a conscious level or not.
One cannot expect another to understand a concept that their experience that has brought them to this point does not provide for them to understand. Unconditional love springs forth from the realization that we are all human beings, and that we are all at different levels of awareness. We are all on paths towards higher levels of awareness.
Once one realizes this, one can begin to promote awareness, and one's interactions with the rest of the world will naturally influence the levels of awareness that are experienced, whether that influence is on a gradual, subtle scale or not.
Our behavior that we engage in in regards to other human beings has been defined by our experience of interaction with human beings (or our lack thereof ). The window of oppurtunity towards positive change is quite definitely through that. 
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: ob1kinsmokey]
#5376964 - 03/08/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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ob1kinsmokey said: but to put it in other words not so, ascended master like
Thus, it is implied that I am like an ascended master. 

I know, I rule. 
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I love all these ideas but I don't think any one has come to express them in a equal or peer to peer more like this is how i feel and it's right. I'm not implying closed-mindedness or trying to tell it's wrong but contex is seriously lacking on internet chat boards. But anyway My personal opinion is people try WAY to hard to look for answers that lie deep in your heart. The answers are inside already you do good you do bad in our personal perspective but I think balance is the key they go together cannot have one without the other.I also feel true spiritual acevment is obtained when you fully open your mind to the things you love and the thinks you hate see them for there true forms love them both with light. My problem is being traped inside mutual communication. I find it hard to accuratly descibe the feeling of our human hearts(And my grammar sucks)
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The infliction of physical suffering is the expression of inner suffering, on a conscious level or not.
One cannot expect another to understand a concept that their experience that has brought them to this point does not provide for them to understand. Unconditional love springs forth from the realization that we are all human We are all on paths towards higher levels of awareness. Our behavior that we engage in in regards to other human beings has been defined by our experience of interaction with human beings (or our lack thereof ). The window of opportunity towards positive change is quite definitely through that.
My whole life I've been a people person. I love people--for we are the quilt of humanity. My personal experience involves a new being, as a result of a stranger's act of self-gratification. Unconditional love is the fundamental element it my picture with my son. It has been quite a learning experience. Balance has also been a very important factor in my life. I'm very thankful that I've had the support that I've had. Thanks for you wonderful insight!
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: Purple_spore]
#5377137 - 03/08/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Purple_spore said: I love all these ideas but I don't think any one has come to express them in a equal or peer to peer more like this is how i feel and it's right.
And what qualities of our replies suggest that it is this way?
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I'm not implying closed-mindedness or trying to tell it's wrong but contex is seriously lacking on internet chat boards.
Naturally, context is lacking. Which is why I wonder how you came to the conclusion that our expressions are merely resulting from the point "this is how I feel and it is right".
I think you might tend to see things that way, as opposed to ourselves actually exhibiting such traits. 
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: Purple_spore]
#5377157 - 03/08/06 10:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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My personal opinion is people try WAY to hard to look for answers that lie deep in your heart.
exactally. everything everyone is looking for they already have. but that being said, the desire for external fufillment is what i struggle the most with. its a hard concept to grasp when youve been trained your whole life that it's the other way around (gotta get money, sex, reputation).
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I also feel true spiritual acevment is obtained when you fully open your mind to the things you love and the thinks you hate see them for there true forms love them both with light.
i recently just finished a book on buddhism, and this was one of the main reoccuring concepts the author touched on. love all. ive found it very difficult to apply it to real life, but when i can actually do it, its extremely rewarding. one way i practice when im meditating is to imagine something that is easy to love (dog, parents, donuts, buddha). once i have established the mind-frame of love, i slowly progress outwards. and the furthur i progress, the harder it is, but the more rewarding it becomes. eventually if i can keep it up long enough i can work my way to the people that i 'hate'. once i can love them, loving everyone else is easy.
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I find it hard to accuratly descibe the feeling of our human hearts
language in general does a lousy job in this aspect, it's not just you. i've pretty much given up in trying to describe how i feel at certain times, i just embrace the moment. and usually when i spend time trying to find words to describe my heart, i get caught up in trying to find the right ones, and loose the feeling that i was trying to describe. so instead i just enjoy it for what it is. a feeling.
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: Purple_spore]
#5377172 - 03/08/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Purple_spore said: I'm not implying closed-mindedness or trying to tell it's wrong but contex is seriously lacking on internet chat boards. But anyway My personal opinion is people try WAY to hard to look for answers that lie deep in your heart. The answers are inside already you do good you do bad in our personal perspective but I think balance is the key they go together cannot have one without the other.I also feel true spiritual acevment is obtained when you fully open your mind to the things you love and the thinks you hate see them for there true forms love them both with light. My problem is being traped inside mutual communication. I find it hard to accuratly descibe the feeling of our human hearts(And my grammar sucks)
Balance, to me is very important, without it--I'm all dysfunctional. I thought you did very well with your response. My philosophy about letting it out--is to let it out, regardless of the outcome. Thanks for opening my mind about where the answers are-within myself. I guess, I'm somewhat like you--I don't want the whole world to know my personal business. However, I have and still do share it with people . and harmony
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
#5379363 - 03/08/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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SkorpivoMusterion said: i'd say it is because of a lack of reason that these ills of society are manifested.
Correct. Such philosophical disasters of our society [most of which are in the humanities, rather than the sciences] have their roots in anti-reason; which is to say they stem from anti-reality based philosophy, e.g., mysticism.
Mysticism is the acceptance of allegations without proof, arbitrary claims with no basis in reality except as arbitrariness, either apart from or against the evidence of man's senses. Mysticism gives rise to faith and force; Reason gives rise to knowledge and freedom.
Contrary to what some think, our society [again, mostly in its humanities] is far from a reasonable one. If the contrary were true, there would be hardly any -if not none at all- 'illnesses' today.
I really don't know that much about mysticism other than everything that ties into the humanities interests me very much. It sounds like you're way deep into a lot knowledge pertaining to the humanities. May I ask, where, why and how do you know what you know? No pun intended. Just to give you a little insight, I am new on this message board and I'm learning how to use it, so please bear with me--thanks!
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
#5379611 - 03/08/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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May I ask, where, why and how do you know what you know?
About what specifically? The fact that such aforementioned illnesses of the humanities are caused by lack of reason, e.g., mysticism? Plainly put: logic, reason and observation. Once you grasp what reason is, in contrast to mysticism, you begin to see the logical causes of such anti-reality based philosophies as well as the effects of it, whether in your local daily life or in historical recordings or elsewhere. The aforementioned books advised by myself will give you much more insight on what I've discussed above.
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SkorpivoMusterion said: May I ask, where, why and how do you know what you know?
About what specifically? The fact that such aforementioned illnesses of the humanities are caused by lack of reason, e.g., mysticism? Plainly put: logic, reason and observation. Once you grasp what reason is, in contrast to mysticism, you begin to see the logical causes of such anti-reality based philosophies as well as the effects of it, whether in your local daily life or in historical recordings or elsewhere. The aforementioned books advised by myself will give you much more insight on what I've discussed above.
Are you self-educated on the topics of spirituality and mysticism? You convey your words very well and well versed on these subject matters.
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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
#5379880 - 03/09/06 12:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you self-educated on the topics of spirituality and mysticism? You convey your words very well and well versed on these subject matters.
I've never taken any formal classes on philosophy - so yes, I am self-educated. Keep in mind as well, that I've been a regular in this forum for years now. Just as with everybody else you'll ever speak to on here, I too, was once a "noob". Most people who stick around for a long time will improve their debating skills, writing skills, reading comprehension skills, analytical skills and of course, sharpen/deepen/evolve their philosophical views - this was especially so when folks like Swami [RIP] were around. Also, I've been a bookworm ever since I could pick up a book - much of my writing acumen stems from this.
And my familiarity with mysticism does not stem from merely having read books or debated against it - oh no. In fact, I was somewhat of a mystic [or, if you will, a rational reasonist blindly decieved into mysticism], many years ago - and I've battled philosophical disputes from that end many a time as well. The mystic-inclination was purely a result of total philosophical-nescience as a child - I was left only to my own mind in absence of any actual, explicit philosophical guidance. So of course, look what happened. Eventually I just outgrew it, as my intelligence grew with time and experience, and became more intellectually matured and reason-based rather than faith-based. So naturally I gravitated towards Objectivism sooner or later, a philosophy of science and reason which offers an alternative to mysticism and skepticism and appeals to rational people who are looking for answers and have been given short shrift by religion and contemporary cultures.
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