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individaul spirituality
    #5359554 - 03/02/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hi to all:

I am very interested in individual spirituality. There is an abundance of literature and several different ways to achieve this desired interest of mine. To and for me--it can only be obtained in steps--not all at one time.

This topic of mine seems to be a constant drive in my life. I have found out, it has required a lot of self-dedication and self-discipline on my behalf.

You see, most of my life, I raised like--do it like this or no, this is the correct it's done. As I ponder on all this, I just shake my head and sigh--unbelievable. I discovered, I need to live for myself by doing what makes me happy.

I have since been letting go of my old thinking patterns and the way I was molded--I like the new me better. Simply, because the new me is more in-tune with me, nature and not society. After all, if a person does not live for them-self, what is the point of life. Whose life is or was it?

I've always and still do have trouble dealing with people who do not present themselves in their true forms. To me it's a waste of life to people who have to be fake to think this is the only way they can be liked or accepted by another human. It's absurd!


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Re: individaul spirituality [Re: silver22]
    #5359962 - 03/02/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Welcome aboard :laugh:

You'll find many like minded individuals here to share and discuss your lessons and thoughts with. :heart:


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Re: individaul spirituality [Re: silver22]
    #5360298 - 03/03/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It sounds to me like you would find Objectivism a philosophy that fits your mind. It emphasizes individuality, and living for yourself - and in reality. The philosophy of Objectivism facilitates the use of reason, and supports reason as man's absolute means of gaining knowledge [as opposed to mystic endowment or the like]. It is a very absolutist philosophy in a very anti-absolutist society - but as you mentioned yourself, you want a philosophy that is more in-tune with yourself and nature - not society. All the more reason I suggest Objectivism to yourself; it recognizes the metaphysical absolutism of nature, establishes following principles and corollaries in a very complete and integrated system from metaphysics, to epistemology, to politics and even esthetics. It is elegantly reality based and non-contradictory.

I recommend three books for starters: "For The New Intellectual", and the "Virtue of Selfishness", and then "Philosophy: Who Needs It".



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Re: individaul spirituality [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5360323 - 03/03/06 01:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

good words. I will check those books out soon!


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Re: individaul spirituality [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5360969 - 03/03/06 09:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for taking the time to respond and recommending the reads. I often get overwhelmed with the daily living tasks/work, etc. and it just seems like I blow off what I really want to do for myself. I will explore these books you've suggested. Thanks!

peace


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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
    #5361735 - 03/03/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thank-you for welcoming me aboard.  I get mentally recharged when I associate myself with like-minded people--it's awesome!  I look forward to mingling.

Much  :heart:


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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
    #5362135 - 03/03/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

we are not islands
but we are islands
insular and modular

traditions help the modules dance together
but private effort makes personal progress


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Re: individual spirituality [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5362522 - 03/03/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

see, i have a middle philosophy, reason is corrupt, all it does is destroy and control. Look at our culture, a culture ruled by reason.. nature is being cut down, we live in boxes disconnected from our true selves and eachother, we have to be robots to fit in with society. To say reason is our only option is to give in to this very same idea.

Me, it started when our culture rejected me, so i said fine, i'll go my own way. So, i basically took a good look at all the things society said is bad/invalid. For instance imagination i have discovered is the subconscious, and our way of talking to it. But society says it is meaningless.. well gee how come i can heal myself and see far away places with it?

in essence, trust yourself and your gut.. your subconscious knows alot more than your rational mind, if you choose to listen.


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the principle of authority" was the "eminently theological, metaphysical and political idea that the masses, always incapable of governing themselves, must submit at all times to the benevolent yoke of a wisdom and a justice, which in one way or another, is imposed from above."
"no one should be entrusted with power, inasmuch as anyone invested with authority must . . . became an oppressor and exploiter of society."


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Re: individual spirituality [Re: secretmachine]
    #5362614 - 03/03/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

humans are social creatures, and our society is a natural extension of us. if you weren't imbedded in this society you wouldn't be what you are right now. all of your opinions and ideas, and by extension your entire sense of self (or ego), are a result of being a part of this system.

"see, i have a middle philosophy, reason is corrupt, all it does is destroy and control. Look at our culture, a culture ruled by reason.. nature is being cut down, we live in boxes disconnected from our true selves and eachother, we have to be robots to fit in with society. To say reason is our only option is to give in to this very same idea. "

i'd say it is because of a lack of reason that these ills of society are manifested.


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Re: individual spirituality [Re: chucksteak]
    #5362866 - 03/03/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i'd say it is because of a lack of reason that these ills of society are manifested.

Correct. Such philosophical disasters of our society [most of which are in the humanities, rather than the sciences] have their roots in anti-reason; which is to say they stem from anti-reality based philosophy, e.g., mysticism.

Reason is the faculty which percieves, identifies and integrates the perceptual data provided by man's senses. Reason integrates the data by means of conceptions and abstractions, which raises his knowledge from the perceptual level to the conceptual level. Reason is the perception of reality, and rests upon one single axiom: the Law of Identity.

Mysticism is the acceptance of allegations without proof, arbitrary claims with no basis in reality except as arbitrariness, either apart from or against the evidence of man's senses. Mysticism gives rise to faith and force; Reason gives rise to knowledge and freedom.

Contrary to what some think, our society [again, mostly in its humanities] is far from a reasonable one. If the contrary were true, there would be hardly any -if not none at all- 'illnesses' today.






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Re: individual spirituality [Re: secretmachine]
    #5363945 - 03/04/06 08:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

reason is not corrupt it is just not more incorruptible than anything else.
you must work it out for yourself.
until the horse is thirsty the stream is an obstacle.


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Re: individaul spirituality [Re: silver22]
    #5363959 - 03/04/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You should become a Scientologist.


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Re: individual spirituality [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5364221 - 03/04/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I might be off topic but
I believe these are very valid points but can you have Mysticism without Reason? One without the other? what would there be to compare and contrast with? How would there be right without wrong?
In my opinion its the balance between the Known and the UN-known the truth and the grace that not only forges but determines what we feel and subsequently what we think.


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Re: individual spirituality [Re: DriAno]
    #5364421 - 03/04/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

mysticism is reasoning - that is why it runs into the thicket.
'course that is the only way to go.


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Re: individual spirituality [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5364694 - 03/04/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i give respect to you in having the courage and power to take ahold of your life,let go of the old, and let in the new. Im sure you have come to find that life is a journey, one of many experiences all playing their own role in the progression of your mind and soul.

i know, and im sure many do, understand what its like to deal with the stresses of "life," when one wishes so much to spend more time opening their innerselves up, and grasping their most powerful essense of spirituality, and working towards the progression of their mind and consciousness.

love is an energy you must find. no life, is a waste of life.

all is meant to be.

everyone is on their own path, experiencing their own personal events adding to their own progression. whether they conscioussly realize it or not. some souls are old and some are new. to judge one by niaveness or lack of understanding, only shows selfishness, for those thoughts do not carry a helping hand of love to that person.

surrounding yourself with judgement through day to day interaction with people, will only take its toll on you.

you must learn to love, and accept all that is. there are no standards to meet when unconditional love is there for the taking, and you must grasp every living thing with it, and live your life by it if you truely wish to live by natures word. all is their for a reason.

within my heart of hearts i give to you my love and energy of thought, to help guide you and help you along your path to truth, and happiness. May you find what you have come to find, may you live how we all should,

and may harmony overcome. :smile:


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Re: individual spirituality [Re: ob1kinsmokey]
    #5365256 - 03/04/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I agree.


I like that thought although its hard to give that kind of love when you don't know what its like to love unconditionally.
how do you find something when you don't know what to look for?


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Re: individual spirituality [Re: DriAno]
    #5365364 - 03/04/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

DriAno said:
I like that thought although its hard to give that kind of love  when you don't know what its like to love unconditionally.




To love unconditionally is to fully accept and embrace all qualities of the person who you are interacting with in this moment, to eliminate any inner resistance to identifying with that person as a human being, as of being the same as oneself - consciousness.

How does one accomplish the act of loving unconditionally? Determine the path of your conscious mental thoughts, and direct them towards making no objection to, demand or expectation of the experience and the aspects of reality that are being experienced.

Being more conscious and realized within the present tense, the now moment, the only space in which we live, naturally means that one will unconditionally love all aspects of reality,as they are that which they are. :wink:




That is to say, focus on and remain aware of your breathing. :thumbup:

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Re: individual spirituality [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5365870 - 03/04/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Follow your own path, for what other paths are suggested could possibly be your own?


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Re: individual spirituality [Re: secretmachine]
    #5367077 - 03/05/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

very well said, the more I read what you wrote the more I see the picture--although I must it's not very appealing--it's rather bland. It seems to me like a waste of human essence (natural state of being.) Although, in my line of work, I get to enjoy some of the few people I meet--true sense of self. That is an awesome gift. Other than that, I see all the robots whom are out to only benefit themselves--which to me is rather disgusting.

Thanks for your insight.

peace out


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Re: individual spirituality [Re: silver22]
    #5367189 - 03/05/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

fireworks definetely has it down.

but to put it in other words not so, ascended master like, you could say unconditional love, among other things, is realizing everyone is in their own reality, and living up to their own truth. although it may not agree with your principles, it is what they live by, and what is a part of them.

to unconditionally love one must respect where that person stands and empathize on why they do, as well as remain untainted in negative moments.

also on a more broad spectrum it is truely just riding yourself of judgement. :smile:


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I took a walk in the woods and came out taller than the trees - Henry Thoreau

Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people.

I really love butts.


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