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expandurmind
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Need high dosage advice
#5357949 - 03/02/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hi, this is a question for those with a fair amount of experience with higher doses. I am interested in experiencing "ego loss." I read through several of the relevant threads and it seems to be exactly what I'm seeking from the mushrooms. I am however worried about some physical (and to a lesser extent psychological) effects I've read from people who have had level 5 trips.
I have tripped several times (15-20ish) usually with about 1/8th or so. I have always had great trips, usually at level 3 or low level 4. The most I've ever eaten was 5 grams on a solo trip last week. It was amazing. After reading my trip journal from that night it seems got a "hint" of what ego loss MIGHT be like. I felt a profound sense of oneness with the universe etc. but was still fully aware of my physical presence in "reality" although my sense of reality was strongly altered.
Anyway,
I am concerned about possible physical effects like blacking out, extremely fast heartbeat and convulsions. I understand that mushrooms are very safe physically, but i was wondering if the above symptoms are normal for level 5 trips? what are some physical symptoms that DO require medical attention? I read a report by someone who had a really bad trip and eventually screamed at his trip-sitter until they agreed to take them to the hospital. Although this individual took some ridiculous amount (i can't remember what the report is called)people's replies mostly stated that he shouldn't have gone to the hospital.Under what circumstances should i go to a hospital?
I am less worried about being scared psychologically at high doses, except fear about my physical body. So could you experienced trippers please let me know: 1. What are some possible (scary) physical things that can/will happen at high doses (I'm thinking of trying 5-6 grams of cubes)
2. Under what circumstances should I seek medical attention
3. People talk about feeling like they are "going to die" while transcending their ego. Is this simply a psychological sensation based on fear of loosing control of reality? or does your mind make you paranoid about physical things like thinking you'll have a heart attack?
4. As for trip sitters, i can definitely find someone who i trust, but no one i know has experienced level 5 trips. I remember reading one post that trip sitters are actually bad because they WILL freak out, making you freak out. do you recommend a trip sitter? if so, will it be OK if they are only experienced with level 3 and under trips?
This is my first post, sorry it's so long. I love this sight and look forward to hearing some answers. Thanks guys! (and girls!)
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: expandurmind]
#5358002 - 03/02/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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There's no guarantee that you'll experience ego loss, and by going into the trip specifically aiming for ego-loss I can only see that setting you up for a disappointment...
I've only touched 6g's once, it wasn't scary but it was uncomfortable, it did make me a little uneasy though seeing my arm start to stretch out with my veins and tendens sticking out about 2-3cm from my hands/wrists... Also the feeling of the peak hitting me was pretty intense and I could easily see that throwing someone off (I could literally see and feel the trip growing stronger and I knew that it wasn't going to stop anytime soon... The physical discomfort was the worst part, nausia, cold sweats, and seeing multiple copies of the trees vibrating at a ridiculous pace was really hard on the eyes, but I didn't find the experience wasn't too hard to keep myself together during. Personally I'd rather have a sitter for something like that until I'm more experienced but that all depends on how you feel about it. Just make sure they know what you're doing
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: StickyWater]
#5358226 - 03/02/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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1. Weird things like your body melting, feeling like your not breathing or your heart isnt beating (i thought i was drowning in a couch once)
2. I dont think you need to seek medical attention, shrooms arent really toxic and anything you think is happening will probably just be psychological, if you go to the hospital you will regret it after a couple hours....get a trip sitter
3. For me the dying thing does involve my body cause you pretty much lose touch with your body and so you cant sense it anymore...which for me is unnerving at first...there is a big psychological thing as well as YOU get dissolved away and reintegrated
4. i reaaaally dont recommend going for level 5 without a trip sitter, even if they have never reached 5 before. Just have them around watching TV or something and not directly bothering you (but still making sure you dont do anything stupid)... seriously, trip sitter the first time highly highly highly recommended
just my opinion based off of my experience, nothing i say is fact just personal opinion
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: expandurmind]
#5358338 - 03/02/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You're obviously not allergic to Psilocybin or Psilocin. The physical effects are on the whole, weird... but not scary, your eyes may water, yawning, etc.. you know the thing 
personally speaking.... "ego loss" or transcending. whatever people call it can't really be described, but it is something your being remembers... I'd say don't panic, but you can't panic all that much in that state. Think i had this a couple of times, once on "stronger than i thought it was" blotters+ vitamin C accident, and once on 2.5g dried semilanceata tea, the latter being truly sublime and weird. But you must learn to distract yourself if anything visual or physical gets too freaky ....abstract thinking shouldn't be a problem.... Get the set right....no distractions, darkness, and above all have a certain knowledge that your mind is in a good place to start.. then relax, absorb... and grin....
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expandurmind
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Thanks a lot guys. Yea...I think i will have a trip sitter.
Has anyone ever blacked out and/or started convulsing (while unconscious) during a heavy mushroom trip? This is what freaks me out the most. A friend of mine started convulsing on an 1/8th during the summer. I wasn't there, but apparently she was tripping normally (not level 5 or anything) and then suddenly started convulsing. This freaked out her boyfriend who she was tripping with. She did snap out of in a minute or two and was fine. I know it wasn't the mushrooms because me and several of my friends tripped on them (beforehand) with no problems.
Are blackouts/convulsions "normal"? Is it more likely with higher doses? I just want to prepare myself and my sitter for anything that may happen. As someone said, i would likely regret a hospital trip.
I am so glad there is a community like this where i can seek answers to make sure any attempt at a level 5 trip is as prepared as possible.
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: expandurmind]
#5359354 - 03/02/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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trip sitter definatly. my first 7.5 gram trip with my trip partner who did the same dose. i sat outside on the come up watching the sky getting brighter in darker like a light shorting out.i k new it was going to be long, we walked inside and walked halfway up the stairs and we had to sit down, the first thing isaid was 'did we eat to much'? simply cause i felt like i was dieing, my friend was so gone he couldnt walk, i threw him over my shoulder to bring him into his room so we could survive the night. i dontk now how i did it, i was in the whole 'im dieing stage' and the rest the of the is a blur becuase of the intensity, he gave me a hug when he woke up saying i saved his life . it was a really tough experience yet i look at it positively and learn from it. i did another 7.5 gram dose alone and 'died' once again, i sat in the dark unable to turn o na light or even my body to the whole trip. if has changed me , for the better, but if i could do it again i would have had a sober sitter there with me, just get a sitter for the time being until yo ucna cope. it'll be so worth it. happy tripping!!!
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: Damn]
#5359385 - 03/02/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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blackouts and convulsions do happen, from my understanding nobody really knows why they happen to some but not others, they just seem to happen. I haven't seen any threads about it lately but a few months ago there was quite a few on these boards if I remember correctly. It's nothing to be concerned about if it does happen, I've never heard of these blackouts or convulsions resulting in anything serious that needed medical attention or anything, but I could be wrong, can anyone confirm?
On another note this thread has sparked an interest in working my way up to another big 6-7g trip sometime this summer
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: expandurmind]
#5364273 - 03/04/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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expandurmind said: Thanks a lot guys. Yea...I think i will have a trip sitter.
Has anyone ever blacked out and/or started convulsing (while unconscious) during a heavy mushroom trip? This is what freaks me out the most. A friend of mine started convulsing on an 1/8th during the summer. I wasn't there, but apparently she was tripping normally (not level 5 or anything) and then suddenly started convulsing. This freaked out her boyfriend who she was tripping with. She did snap out of in a minute or two and was fine. I know it wasn't the mushrooms because me and several of my friends tripped on them (beforehand) with no problems.
Are blackouts/convulsions "normal"? Is it more likely with higher doses? I just want to prepare myself and my sitter for anything that may happen. As someone said, i would likely regret a hospital trip.
I am so glad there is a community like this where i can seek answers to make sure any attempt at a level 5 trip is as prepared as possible.
My girlfriend blacked out and convulsed on a 3g dose. She was perfectly normal for the first few hours. I went to the bathroom and as I came back to her room, she was walking out. She looked deathly pale, and she convulsed a little and collapsed into my arms. She was unconscious for a few moments, and when she did regain consciousness, she was shaken and felt like her heartbeat was irregular, so I helped her to go sleep. Myself and 2 others were on the same shrooms, so I think blackouts and convulsions are not really related to the dose of the shrooms if it can happen at 3 grams.
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: DrGeek]
#5364466 - 03/04/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Only advice I can offer is to prepare your mind for the experience before hand and make sure you are in a comfortable setting when you do them.
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: expandurmind]
#5369619 - 03/06/06 02:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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blackouts i'd say are really quite rare..... so it's not something you should have in the back of your mind... that'll only have adverse effects.
If you feel you need a sitter, then go for it (if you think you'll feel more comfortable)
Convulsions ? i've never seen convulsions per se, but a lot of what i'd call muscle spasms (caused by your central nervous system being saturated) during the coming up phase. It seems scary but you're more likely to experience this phenomena on a high dose. I find high dose taken as tea causes more of this than eating does..... because the effects are hitting you that much quicker.
None of these things are dangerous (unless you have medically very high or low blood pressure, or some kind of neurological condition such as epilepsy)
Everyone's different, so you've just got to be relaxed, happy, and with our collective advice, ready for what may lie ahead.... if you're in any doubt then hold fire on the trip.
Have fun...
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Edited by PlatformStrange (10/11/09 02:53 PM)
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I went through some fazes like that, I didn't have convulsions but I had the dying feeling several times. All I could say is that I think it was amplified my the mushrooms and because maybe I didn't drink as much water as I needed so keep in your mind to have water near you because you'll need big amounts. However, after the peak, I felt like new, no dizziness or other stuff like that.
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: MushroomTrip]
#5370044 - 03/06/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Dont worry...If you want ego loss, just take good dose, relax, and when you feel youre coming apart for good, let go...Dont look into the visuals when things get strange, thats fighting ego death, can keep you from reaching it...
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: Grapefruity]
#5370054 - 03/06/06 08:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah I know. The funny thing is that every time I felt like dying - ego loss - I had no more visuals, I was just surrounded by thoughts, ideas and feelings, they were WAY more stronger than any visual and that what all that mattered that moments.
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i love that time lapse video!
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: expandurmind]
#5374569 - 03/07/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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like mentioned earlier, ego loss is dependent on more variables than just dosage. i dont think ive ever really experienced it, but the one time i thought i was close was off of just 2.5 grams. from what i hear, going into a trip expecting something like that will usually make it that much harder to achieve. i also believe that ego loss can be achieved on any size dose, which is one of the reasons ive stopped taking the 5-9 gram trips that i used to love. i rarely take more than 4 now, but the intensity of my trips havent really changed all that much.
my suggestion to you, is if you really want to try to induce an ego loss experience, is to try going into a dark and quiet room for your peak. no lights, turn off all computers stereos clocks etc that may have little lights on them. stick a towel under the crack of your door. no light. no music. just lay there on your bed. in total darkness and silence.....leaving only your mind to keep you company. i try this every now and then, but usually freak out and leave the room before anything substantial happens.
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: expandurmind]
#5374597 - 03/07/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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1. The physical effects are only scary if you don't realize they are psychosomatic effects of of the drug, otherwise they just feel weird. Body melting, watery eyes, runny nose, and feeling like you are doing things you're not are common. Another one I get a lot is that I feel like I have to piss, but I definately do not.
2. you should not need to seek medical attention at all on this dose of shrooms given what you've said. The only reason would be if you actually hurt yourself badly.
3. the "I feel like I'm gonna die" feeling at least in my case has always been mental and not really connected to the physical body feelings. It was more of a "whoa, I'm way too fucked up for this to not be hurting me" thought. The ego loss can also bring on a much more serious version of this anxiety. As your sense of self slips away, that pretty much is dying. Your conscious mind is going to tell you "oh shit this is not good, I'm dying." the key is to recognize this and let go.
4. A trip sitter is a good idea. Just let them know ahead of time that you may pass out at some point and you may have muscle spasms during that time. Let them know that this is ok and that it will go away. Also it's best to ask an individual to do it that won't be freaked out when you start asking "whats my name?" "where am I?" "who are you?"
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: expandurmind]
#5374744 - 03/07/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't necessarily have someone sitting right there with you the whole time, but a good friend who is willing to be nearby and check on you from time to time without disturbing you. As ego-loss is a personal experience, it is probably best to avoid communicating with others.
As for blackouts. This happened to me once. I came up hard in about 10 minutes and after about 30, I was very disconnected form my actions. I'm not even sure if I was doing what I was doing. after about 45 minutes, I must have slipped into a completely inner-world, because people told me I was talkign to them and acting like an ape, and I don't remember this! After this, my sense of reality was actually minimized (much different from the immensely expanded consciousness experienced during much better intense trips) and I sort of felt like I was dreaming. Then, I got stuck in a birth-death loop which must have cycled 100 times, then I woke up and felt like everything was my imagination although I wasn't "tripping" any more and it was about 7 hours later.
But, don't let this account frighten you. I ate about 6 or 7 grams of insanely potent cubes, and this was one of my first. for me at least, I needed to have a few bad trips before I realized exactly how to control it in order to have a great trip. Since you have plenty of experience, I think you'll do fine.
No need for hospital. that could make things worse. Misguided shroom energy ends up producing negative but harmless body sensations/functions. Just channel that energy into melting your boundaries. Of course, you want to melt into something you find beatiful, so pick a beautiful spot where you are most at peace. Best of Luck.
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Re: Need high dosage advice [Re: nycomyco]
#5376747 - 03/08/06 07:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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nycomyco said: Then, I got stuck in a birth-death loop which must have cycled 100 times,
That is fuckin hell! My only fear with psychedelics is being trapped in this one more time. Thats why ego loss is there :p
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