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Zeldareel
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Drying mushrooms
#5357120 - 03/02/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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OK I was watching Good Eats on the food network and he was talking about making beef jerky. Has anyone heard of this method for drying mushrooms.... What you do is take furnace filters line the grooves with the mushrooms stack one filter on top another, then cover with empty filter. You then take a large flat fan and bungee strap the filters to the fan. Make sure the filters are on the side with the air being forced through them. turn the fan on high and wait. Now he used this method for making beef jerky and drying herbs. But it seems that it would be a fast cheap way to dry mushrooms. Does anyone have any thoughts on the idea? He said for beef jerky he dries it for 8 to 12 hours. It seems mushroom would only take half that.
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thenewguy05
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Re: Drying mushrooms [Re: Zeldareel]
#5357160 - 03/02/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i think i will stick to my dehydrator but if you don't have one already it might be a good way to dry mass amounts of shroomies.
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rDr4g0n
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same basic concept as a dehydrator. also having a fan blow over them is also a common concept. so yeah it make since.
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gotyerback
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Re: Drying mushrooms [Re: rDr4g0n]
#5357252 - 03/02/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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That will no doubt work, but why screw with filters and bungees? Take an old window screen, lay it across some chairs or whatever and have a fan blow on it. No amount of fan drying will get them completely dry. Step 2 - desiccant chamber and you are done.
I would be concerned about fiberglass in the filter.
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HB_Woodrose
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Re: Drying mushrooms [Re: Zeldareel]
#5357421 - 03/02/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alton Brown is a genius of practicality. This is my preferred method of drying - above and beyond chemical dessicants and dehydrators, IMHO.
No worries about trace particles of desiccant in your fruits with this method... and you can stack the filters for multiple drying levels, just like in a dehydrator... and there's no loss of potency due to higher temps... and the air blowing over your fruits is clean because of the filters, which makes for clean fruits (if that sort of thing is important to you).
And yes, it's an inexpensive and effective alternative.
I can't really say how long it will take for YOU to dry your fruits using this method. My box fan setup sits inside of a closet, opposite a space heater. I do this to normalize temps within the heated closet, which I use as an incubator. Because of the space heater, the temperature between the first two filters is usually 83 to 85 degrees. This, coupled with the air flow of the fan on maximum speed, dries my fruits from fresh to brittle-dry in about 8 hours.
Also, if cosmetics are important to you, and you don't want your fruits to LOOK windblown, I recommend giving your drying cycle a few extra hours on the fan's lower settings, to generate a gentler wind.
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coda
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Quote:
and there's no loss of potency due to higher temps...
I swear im going to write a script or something that automatically corrects this when it gets asked.
High temps have NOT and WILL NOT affect your potency.
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tiny_rabid_birds
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Re: Drying mushrooms [Re: coda]
#5357453 - 03/02/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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coda, I think the source of misconception is the MMGG. It says right here http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/3372/pag/6 in the preservation and drying stage that heat is detrimental to psycho-active compounds and will drastically reduce potency. If it's possible, perhaps an admin or someone can insert an edit note or something saying that those claims are unproven.
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HB_Woodrose
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Re: Drying mushrooms [Re: coda]
#5357505 - 03/02/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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High temps have NOT and WILL NOT affect your potency.
I would love nothing more than a speedy dry of my harvest in the oven, with no potency loss. But I've always been told not to expose fruits to temperatures of 100+ because it causes degradation of psychoactive ingredients. Not necessarily casting doubt, because I've had hot mushroom tea a number of times, and it's worked just fine. Jochen Gartz recommends drying under cold-as-possible conditions to maximize any extraction efforts one may undertake... so now I'm just really confused. Can you please clarify this or point us to a link/post that does?
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rDr4g0n
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i was in the chat a few days ago and i mentioned that psilocybin breaks down at 400f, and someone named link said it breaks down at like 120f or so.... so yeah.
there are actually a ton of conflicting ideas around here, but this can be expected with such a large community.
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HB_Woodrose
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Re: Drying mushrooms [Re: rDr4g0n]
#5358161 - 03/02/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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How's this for a theory?
Temperature has little to no DIRECT effect upon the active ingredients. But rather, higher temperatures accelerate the process of oxidization in an open-air environment, to which the active ingredients are highly susceptible. Sun-dried or oven-dried fruits, being in contact with open air (and thus, more oxygen), oxidize much more quickly than would fruitbodies submersed in simmering or boiling water (shroom tea).
So you could heat the fruitbody to whatever temperature without loss of potency provided there is little or no oxygen (or any other catalyst) to oxidize the psychoactives and break them down.
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coda
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Here, read through these two links.
Very Low Potency From Hpoo Shrooms Will High Temps Affect My Potency? Answer= NO
Read through the first thread, make sure to click the link in my post and read that as well. It contains all the chemical information for the actives and their properties.
Hopefully this will clear things up a bit for you
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Edited by coda (03/02/06 07:21 PM)
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HB_Woodrose
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Re: Drying mushrooms [Re: coda]
#5359711 - 03/02/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks Coda - After digging around for information on this, and then reading the threads you recommended, as well as other threads on this board and others, the only thing that I found to be certain was that there is no certainty on this matter. I didn't realize (until I looked) how many threads about this very topic have started and ended prior to today.
Empirically gained knowledge from so many sources reports varying degrees of alleged loss in potency from high temps/oxidation/whatever. Scientific data sheets with chemical properties and breakdown temperatures say that all of that empirical knowledge is horseshit. Not a single thread ended with a conclusive answer one way or another, and the idea of potency loss carries on because scientific rigor has never been applied under laboratory conditions to settle this matter.
I swear this is like trying to prove/disprove the existence of God. Interesting, then bewildering, then frustrating, and finally sickening. But at least now I know that I do NOT know, and that is far better than being misinformed.
But yes! Box fan, bungees and filters!
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coda
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and the struggle carries on
-------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
 Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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