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Increasing potency using natural DMT
    #5355397 - 03/01/06 10:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I've been talking with some close friends and we were talking about increasing potency. We all know if you add tryptamine to a substrate it increases potency, although it is fairly hard, to say the least to distribute it evenly and not effect the fruits appearence. PHALARIS GRASS CONTAINS DMT WHICH IS A TRYPTAMINE!

"Thikal page 280" Eloquent examples of this are the delightful reports of indole synthesis that were explored in Germany over the last few year. Visualize a vigorous growing mycelium culture that is synthesizing psiloscin by bringing together the natural DMT in its diet with a vital but not-too-discriminating enzyme that has the capacity for putting a hydroxyle group onto tryptamine. The mycelium has the knowledge of how to 4-hydroxylate something, but it doesn't really care what that something is. The available target for this skill, in the natural mushroom, just happens to be DMT."

So lets introduce it naturally, there are few more plants that contain far more DMT than Phalaris grass, but I think Phalaris grass would be easier to work with, more accessible, and cheap.

So I guess my question is if anyone has done this before? Also anyone with some experience on this subject, please help out.

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Re: Increasing potency using natural DMT [Re: defcheck]
    #5356733 - 03/02/06 09:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

what an original idea


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Re: Increasing potency using natural DMT [Re: shirley knott]
    #5360761 - 03/03/06 06:11 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i too was thinking about this today, i have a bottle full of some very good ayahuasca which i will never drink, i was thinking i could put a bit in the substrate, i also have some dmt freebase on hand and some p. viridis leaf (tons of it). could be worth a shot. but i want some conformation first.

soory about the no caps, i'm typing with one hand and feeding my son with the other :smile:


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Re: Increasing potency using natural DMT [Re: pip182]
    #5360856 - 03/03/06 07:46 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The search button will be your best friend if you let it :wink:

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Re: Increasing potency using natural DMT [Re: defcheck]
    #5360962 - 03/03/06 08:58 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I was wondering about melatonin too. N-acetyl-5-methoxytryptamine


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Re: Increasing potency using natural DMT [Re: defcheck]
    #5361223 - 03/03/06 11:25 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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We all know if you add tryptamine to a substrate it increases potency





Incorrect. We do not all know this. A case in point: You can grow mushrooms on manure, but testing the final product reveals no trace of manure. It is a stretch to say the least, that adding triptomines or dmt to the substrate will increase potency, information from a single trial reported by stamets in TMC notwhithstanding. I disagree with those results as will a great many folks who have tried this. Another example: Pretend we're all cannibals. Would slicing up and eating Arnold cause you to grow huge muscles? Does eating a T-bone steak turn us into bulls?
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Re: Increasing potency using natural DMT [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5361745 - 03/03/06 02:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

poop is not a chemical!but many of the Chemicals in poop can be found in mycilla.

does eating beta carotene increase the vitamin A in are body?
does eating steak remove the iron and protean form that steak and put it in you, if a bear ate you would it get that iron?
if Arnold had anabolic steroids in his body and you ate him , would that be in your body? yes to all

non plant life form consume ready made chemicals and use them how thy are, and synthesize in to other chemicals thy need we have to do this because we arnt plants and cant make many of the chemicals we need to live

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Re: Increasing potency using natural DMT [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5364888 - 03/04/06 03:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I have seen other cases, not just from Stamets. The first place I seen was "Invisible Marijuana and Psychedelic Mushroom Gardens by Robert Bunch". The cakes were injected with tryptamines prior to placing in the jar. Normal cubensis grown inside test around 0.65% psilocybin, these were 3.3%! That is twice as much as the most potent psilocybe!

Yes I was overzelous when I said everyone knows, Okay everyone does not know. I have researched this quit a bit and YES I DID USE THE SEARCH BUTTON A LONG TIME AGO, NOTHING on phalaris grass. The search button sent me to "Thikal" which I actually have. "Thikal" sent me several conversations with people with a background in chemistry. I went over what I read in "Thikal" and from what I can see it isn't based on 1 trial but on several. It has also been proven that if all the DMT is washed out and DET is put in it's place. The hydroxylating compulsion is still there and is quit intact. What happens? The mycelium produces a bunch of 4-hydroxy-DET, an interesting compound and an active psychedelic, which was first reported by the Sandoz Laboratories, but a compound that is unknown in nature.

So if the mycelium will take DET and 4-hydroxlate it to create 4-hydroxy-DET. What are the questions being raised about putting more DMT into the substrate to increase potency. Wouldn't it make sense if you add more DMT it would convert more into 4-hydroxy-DMT.

Sorry RR those were bad examples. If you ate Arnold you would get bigger, if you worked out. Working out is an activity that uses the available protein in this case to make your muscles bigger. To the mycelium I would think to 4-hydroxylate something would be the same as to work out for us. It is an activity that takes advantage of and uses available chemicals to produce something else.

Here is a related thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5219497/an/0/page/0/vc/1

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Re: Increasing potency using natural DMT [Re: defcheck]
    #5365853 - 03/04/06 09:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If it were me, I would do 2 grows, one with a DMT additive and one without. Attempt to keep all other grow conditions the same between the two. Once you have fruits, you can test. Consuming the shrooms is a subjective way of testing, but if your additive truly makes a difference, you'll be able to tell, and after all, consumption is the real test.

Regarding the grass you mention, I understand that lawn clippings contaminate easily. They would need to be well aged outside in order for it to be a sutable substrate... but I don't know if that would affect the contents. An often mentioned additive is quinoa. It's easy enough to get, and mushrooms seem to like it ok. I'm growing truffels with quinoa but have yet to harvest.

Anyway, if you feel the urge to experiment, I commend you for the effort, regardless of the results... so long as you have a control group... and you report your findings when you're done :smile:

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Re: Increasing potency using natural DMT [Re: Rahz]
    #5367037 - 03/05/06 11:00 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for all the great input. I plan on growing my own phalaris grass and using it. I have access to a large plot of land I can grow anything on. I'll plant a bunch of it and harvest next autumn. I will then use it like I would use wheat straw. I'll do both wheat straw and phalaris grass at the same time. We will find out later than sooner.

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Re: Increasing potency using natural DMT [Re: gratefulgere]
    #5368183 - 03/05/06 06:20 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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I was wondering about melatonin too. N-acetyl-5-methoxytryptamine




Worked for me!!

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