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Offlinechris92346
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spiritual chemicals...
    #5355322 - 03/01/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

After my last couple trips I have had an odd thought. These trips have had an effect on me that is very compirable to spiritual experinces. After the trips I have felt very similar to how I have had after having spiritual ephiphanies in my life.

This has cuased me to be somewhat troubled. It confuses the hell outa me that a chemcial can do the same thing to me that God does. It has caused me to really question what is spiritual and what is physical.

Has anybody else had similar thoughts? If so, how have you resolved it in your own mind?


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OfflineKaleidoscope
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Re: spiritual chemicals... [Re: chris92346]
    #5355346 - 03/01/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Shrooms allow you to explore your self. You have to know yourself to know God.


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Re: spiritual chemicals... [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5355487 - 03/01/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I've had these thoughts. I don't have any preconceived notion of religion to contradict or confuse me though. To me, the psychedelic experience is all about spirituality. I think it manifests parts of the mind that are completely responsible for the interpretation, if not the *creation* of spirituality.

There is a reason that Mushrooms, Peyote, and DMT have been used for hundreds/thousands of years for religious purposes.

To me, spirituality is all in the mind... I think. Not that there is or isn't god, hell if I know. But if there is, I believe it to be an internal thing and perhaps not at all some intelligent force, and certainly not a figure of any kind.

Psychedelics allow us to connect with something inside of us. I think it is the smaller glimpses and attempts of understanding this layer while sober that are responsible for religion, though ordinarily we have no idea what we're looking at/for. The human mind works by striving to make sense of everything.

You've got a blind spot in each eye, but you don't see it because it's filled in by higher levels in the brain, simply because an image with 2 holes doesn't make much sense. If you wear a special mirror that flips your vision upside down, it will be disorienting at first, but within a short period of time your mind will flip that image back, and it will look completely normal to you. The periphery of your vision is much less capable of detecting color. But you scan, or you know, and you fill in. It looks uniform as you sit here and read this.

And what about dreams? It is often suggested that dreams are the result of the mind trying to piece together the thoughts being thrown around in various steps of the sleep cycle. There are countless examples of the mind striving to make sense, in human psychology, history, science, whatever.

Religion was originally used to explain more practical things, we all know. But I think, after all these journeys, that it is also an attempt to explain something inside us, perhaps subconscious for the most part. I can't tell if it's a force we don't understand, or just chemical side effects (of the mind naturally, that are uncovered with these drugs). But there's so much structure and meaning involved. The original chemicals only set off a chain reaction of some sort. But why this, why is the mind capable of this?

DMT really only made this question go deeper. There's just such a damn "natural" feel to it. Like an experience you've had throughout your whole life, etc. We rambled on about this stuff a while in a thread about a "sound" or "buzz"... so maybe that's worth looking for. Also, Terrance Mckenna brings up some interesting points. I don't really agree with most of his theories, but his ideas about human evolution being connected to the psychedelic experience are very thought provoking. Whether or not we actually did use small amounts of these mind altering substances, or human consciousness (the ego, specifically) developed as a veil over this way of seeing in the interest of survival are things worth thinking about.


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Re: spiritual chemicals... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5356291 - 03/02/06 03:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

100% agree.


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Re: spiritual chemicals... [Re: jenerikcairet]
    #5356292 - 03/02/06 03:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

btw, ive gotta try dmt


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Re: spiritual chemicals... [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5356353 - 03/02/06 04:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Kaleidoscope said:
Shrooms allow you to explore your self. You have to know yourself to know God.




I was going to try to work up my own answer but this sounds like a reasonably intelligent response to me.


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