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whatever123
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#5355139 - 03/01/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have been making glass beads for the past several months, and have been wanting to try and make a mushroom design inside of a bead for a while now. Trouble is, I have done countless searches on how to make a bead like this, and have constantly come up empty. Anyone here make glass beads? Can any of you help me?
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yeah man i make glass, its pretty easy if youre using a propane oxygen torch.
basically get a gather of clear and keep it hot, then take a stringer of any color and push it into the middle of the gather holding it vertically
like this
= = = = = <----------- clear rod = O <-gather
= = = <------------ stringer (thin piece of colored rod = = this is for borosilicate work
now if youre working with moretti or soft glass i think that the principal would be the same... but im not exactly sure.... are you?
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Re: glass beads [Re: ZippoZ]
#5355238 - 03/01/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, of course I use soft glass, lol. Wow....borosilicate beads... WHY? But could you explain a tiny bit more clearly, I think I get it but I want to make sure.
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i where a glass bead aroung my neck thats a incredibly amazingly detailed steal your face. i still dont know how the guy did it. it has the right number of points on the lightning bolt and everything
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probably milliefieorie @ pillow
hmm whatever check out the glass lampworkers discusison
http://p211.ezboard.com/bartglasspipemakers
although i havent been there in a while, i think that they changed their website name after an attack... i think that it might be www.thegldg.com these days.
theyre helpful over there, and have lots of photo tutorials , although its mostly for hard glass.
theres also a site you can google, the international society of glass bead makers, theyre all about soft glass
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Re: glass beads [Re: ZippoZ]
#5355334 - 03/01/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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meh, can't find what I am looking for there. But let me see if I have this right: I get a ball of molten glass on the end of a clear rod, and take a piece of (why the hell not, let's make it:) blue stringer and push it into the molten glass and pull it out...and that will make a mushroom with clear casing? NICE But how does that work, how does it get so mushroomy, cuz I see mushrooms in glass, and they are different, and the cap actually bends down, like it should....and it is all wierd.
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no you dont pull it out, the thing is as the stringer goes into the ball and gets towards the top of the rod that the gather is on, the glass gets colder, and when the stringer hits the colder layer it spreads out, making yo u e cap/
as for the bed in the cap that is done by the stringer following the contour of the glass. you can also play with it a bit too after the shroom is in there.
over time you can put multiple mushrooms in one gather
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Re: glass beads [Re: ZippoZ]
#5355398 - 03/01/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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question: How do I do this and put it on the mandrel?????
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Yeah, this is actually pretty easy. I start with a big ass gather of clear i my left hand. With my right hand I have a colored stringer. Once the clear gather is almost flowing, stab it with the stringer. As the stringer pushes through the clear, it will slide through and make the stem, and once it encounters cold glass on the far side of the gather, the cap is formed. You can watch this happen! So keep pushing on the stringer until you like the shape, then put the whole thing onto a mandrel. ANyway, I wrote that quickly, not sure if it's helpful, but good luck. Peace! edit: The hard part is putting it onto the mandrel, tricky! What kind of torch you got?
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Re: glass beads [Re: ToolTroll]
#5359435 - 03/02/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hot-head torch head for a single fuel torch. I use mapp gas cylinders.
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Yeah, that's what I use too. I love glass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: glass beads [Re: ToolTroll]
#5359958 - 03/02/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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same here, it's almost as addicting as glass(meth). But yeah, how do I get the part of the stringer that is sticking out of the glass to come out?
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well after you have it in there, i suppose you could melt it off.... thats usually what i would do. but that is on boro-silicate glass...
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Re: glass beads [Re: ZippoZ]
#5362134 - 03/03/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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But a lot of glass beads I see have the mushroom full encased in clear glass. Even the bottom of the stem, so how does that work?
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Its been forever since I worked with glass, and was never to good at it, but after you bang that color piece of glass off you just fire polish the bottom, and I'd imagine the longer your down there you could build up aanother gather, but it beats me.
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Not to thin...... thin like 3 or 4 mill tapered. Gather up a nice elongated ball. Let the majority cool. Then heat the bottom third white hot.
The colored glass you use for the mushroom should have a taper going from 3 or 4 mill up to standard size. The first half inch is the cap the second half inch is the gills and the last third is the stem.
So heat up the bottom third of the gather. Warm your stringer. Push slowley into the gather. Heating up the stringer as it flowes into the gather. Keep it warm enough so that when it hits the hot glass it liquifies inside the gather.
Play with gravity and heat and work the shape of the mushroom inside the glass.
Dont heat up the end where you inserted the stringer. Because if you aim the torch at the opened end you may get air bubbles along the stem of the mushroom. So heat from the cap down to seal it in with out bubbles. Punty up and loop up. Tah dah magic
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Quote:
whatever123 said: But a lot of glass beads I see have the mushroom full encased in clear glass. Even the bottom of the stem, so how does that work?
simple um you add clear glass to the bottom.......
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I ate a whole herd of those things once apon a time. They put up a good fight!
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You dont pull out the stringer. You insert evenly. Heat up the tip just warm then as you insert it into your gather you let the flame stay on the bottom of the gather and on the stringer you are inserting. The glass will push until it hits cool glass, then fan out along the cool glass barrier.
When it goes in, you do the lil swirl with the stringer to detach it. You dont pull it out you heat it and do the swirly thing.
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