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More Poo Talk
    #5353441 - 03/01/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Im planning on using a 50/50 mix of either poo/straw or poo/vermiculite in a double tub. I have a couple of questions though.

1. What brand of H.Poo should I get?(I live in Michigan and the only source I could think of would be Lowes or Home Depot)
2. What should I look for when buying? What should be in/not in it?
3. What brand of straw? What should I look for?
4. Is a 50/50 mix with vermiculite or straw better for a double tub?
5. Can I save time and mix the straw/poo and pasturize that way?(Instead of doing each seperately)

I'm sure Ill think of a couple more in a little bit, but thanks for the help in advance. If you have any pics of the poo or straw, that would help out a lot.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353468 - 03/01/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I dont think you'll find horse poo in the store, most likely you'll just run across bovine manure. Black kow has gotten numerous decent reviews from members.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: coda]
    #5353482 - 03/01/06 12:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

TennStud then, huh? I was going to order that but I'd rather not have to wait for it. I've read that just straw makes some pretty good yeilds. Is that comparable to h.poo?


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353488 - 03/01/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well, if I decided to call a horse stable, what should I look for when I'm scoping out the poop? What should the texture be like? Color? All that good stuff.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: coda]
    #5353490 - 03/01/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

>>>>Black kow has gotten numerous decent reviews from members.

Out of 6 store bought composts, Black Kow was one of the worst in my experiment. But as has been said, the contents of a particular brand will vary from region to region.

In my limited experience, straw alone will produce about 50 times more shrooms by weight than using a 50/50 mix of straw and store bought compost.

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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: Rahz]
    #5353498 - 03/01/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

No shit, huh? I was going to ask you these questions in your thread, but I didnt want to hijack it. Your probably already answered it, but what brand DID work(poo)? What brand of straw worked for you? Thanks bro


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353499 - 03/01/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You want to find the stuff thats been out in the air the longest, it should have a fibrous consistency and be nice and dry to the point of crumbling into dust in your hands. You dont want any types of ammonia smells as well, be on the look out for that. Stay away from the greener stuff and look for the muffins or piles that have a lot of firefang on them (a white beneficial bacteria which looks sorta like cobweb).

Try to find the piles that have been sitting in the sun the longest, hopefully you havent had too much rain or snow as this will hinder your search for usable poo.

Easiest way to go is with tenn stud, if you pick up your own you have to pasteruize and hydrate it yourself. This can be a long, smelly, and semi nasty project.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: Rahz]
    #5353500 - 03/01/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If you're going to the stables. Just ask them where their pile is.
It will already have straw and or wood shavings of some sort in it.
Find the oldest, driest looking stuff.

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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: cappa]
    #5353514 - 03/01/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yea Coda
Well, I can't go to the stable, as in Michigan we have SNOW SNOW SNOW(fuck) What so you think is better, straw or a 50/50 mix of verm/poo from tennstud?


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353542 - 03/01/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Think most people with horses are just willing to give their poo away? I don't see why not,

and on hay- can it be brebought in stores or should I hunt down some locales for a portion of a bail or something?


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353543 - 03/01/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Im always the one for poo and heres why.

1.) Straw has the tendency to contaminate very easily
2.) Anything after the first flush on a straw grow is usually very shitty

Those two reasons alone are enough for me to say fuck straw and just go with the poo. I think it's easier to work with, provides better results, and gives you more in the long run then straw can.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353546 - 03/01/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah but inside the stalls they have poo under a roof. black kow has always treated me nice, no complaints on my end. personally though i would just go to a local stable i gaurentee they would be more than happy to get it off their hands. they shovel the "shit" day in and day out and if you came in and shoveled it for them and even took it away they'de prolly invite you back.

as for the straw questions mix the straw before you pasteurize it will make your life a whole lot easier. doesn't matter what kind just as long as the straw isn't growing shit already.

honestly i would go with the straw over vermiculite. i only use vermiculite in cow poo becuz it tends to be runny and it needs some body to it.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: coda]
    #5353547 - 03/01/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

sivad02487 said:
Well, if I decided to call a horse stable, what should I look for when I'm scoping out the poop? What should the texture be like? Color? All that good stuff.




This is what it should look like:



It should not look like a pile of dirt with straw mixed in. Larger stables will use bulldozer type equipment to pick manure up and end up grabbing a bunch of dirt in the process. Your absolute best bet is to find a stable that does boarding but is small in scale. Most of these will require the owner to keep their own stables which means hand shoveling of the manure. They will usually have a central location where the manure is stored.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: Wronguy]
    #5353567 - 03/01/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Shit. I think Im going to have to call up a stable. But what the hell am I going to tell them. I live in Michigan and it's dead of winter right now. haha


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353571 - 03/01/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

How long will that shit last for? I won't need it for 2 weeks or so.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353589 - 03/01/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Say you're going to start a compost pile so that it'll be ready for your garden by spring. It takes around a month for stuff to compost down so it'd be a valid excuse.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353590 - 03/01/06 01:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

poo will last as long as you keep it safe and dry


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5353610 - 03/01/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Okay so theoretically, I am going to go to the stable and look for a pile of VERY dry poo. I should try to look for some with a white mold(fire-something). And it should NOT smell like ammonia. How much should the mold be overtaking the poo? Shit, I can tell this is going to be a blast


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353674 - 03/01/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Also, I've been hearing things about leeching.
Does this mean just to let it sit in a tub and be exposed to the elements? Should the lid be open?


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353682 - 03/01/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Firefang isn't really a mold. It's really just a white discoloration of the poo. And it doesn't really matter how much it's overtaking it. If you see the poo is nice and dry and has like white on it, then it's good to go.

Leeching just means it has sat out in the elements (i.e. precipitation and sun) long enough to have been rinsed of most of the ammonia, then dried back to a fibrous state. If you were to leech your own poo, just spread it out on a tarp and either soak it every couple of days or let it get rained on several times.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5353693 - 03/01/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thing is, I don't have a spot to leech then. Couldn't I just search the pile for poo that doesn't smell like ammonia?


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353698 - 03/01/06 02:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, you could, that'd be just fine. The stuff that doesn't smell like shitty ammonia has most likely already been naturally leached. Although it might look somewhat odd if you walk around and inspect/smell the poo. I suppose you could just say that the plants you have are sensitive to ammonia or something.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5353704 - 03/01/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yea, good plan. But what if the poo had been in the stable for the whole time? It wouldn't be leached then, right?


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353708 - 03/01/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

and also, is there a way to quickly leach it?


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353738 - 03/01/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Alright, when you get the poo, how would you go about sterilizing it? and is there anything you would add to as a mix, or just straight poo?


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353740 - 03/01/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Fresh poo that is leached by soaking isn't as good as poo that has been aged naturally. This is because the aged stuff has had more time for other beneficial microbes to grow. If your interested in what makes poo better then other substrates read this.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4532477#Post4532477

If your having difficulty with things like a location for leeching etc, I suggest placing an order for dry manure from tennstud. 10lbs of DRY poo is A LOT and can be stored for a long time.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353742 - 03/01/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, you can quick leach it by putting it in a pillow case or a bucket/tub with holes in it (pillowcase would be preferable because you can squeeze the water out till the poo is at field capacity) and letting a hose run water through it for like 30 min to an hour.  Then proceed to pasteurize, or do poo grow bags, or whatever you have in store for it.

But just so you know, it would be preferable to get aged, leached poo rather than doing it yourself as the aged poo will have the beneficial live and dead microbes and whatnot.

::EDIT:: yeah, musher beat me to the punch, but the advice stands the same :thumbup:


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353749 - 03/01/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Use agars doing duh h/poo tek, its in the archives


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5353769 - 03/01/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I guess Im going to check out some local stables. If I don't see anything, Im going to purchase some tennstud. Thanks for all the help. Tiny_Rabid and Coda will get some ratings boosts. thanks guys


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: sivad02487]
    #5353779 - 03/01/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I looked in the faq but couldnt find it, does anybody have a link to the poo tek, or is there one?


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: SciaticGryphon]
    #5353783 - 03/01/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/subtrates

That is a link to the substrate section of the Cultivation Archive. Agar and Roadkill both have good teks w/ step-by-step procedures in there. I believe they're like the second and third entry or something like that.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5353853 - 03/01/06 03:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

im sold, screw BRF Im getting me some poo for my first grow


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    #10875179 - 08/17/09 10:46 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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    #10875558 - 08/17/09 12:21 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

my question is can i pasteurize now?




Pasteurize that stuff.:thumbup:


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    #10876239 - 08/17/09 02:28 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: r3nzhe]
    #10876293 - 08/17/09 02:39 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Kind of in the same baot. Mate picked up some hpoo from a road horses go along which turns out not to be quite as aged as we hoped. Left it outside to dry out in the sun but thanks to our shity unpredictable wheatehr its been soaked by the rain several times. Just doesn't get a chancr to dry out so its been put in the shed.

Hopefully it will be dry enough to use soon.

Ill need to pick some up before summer end there should be aged stuff by now.

Trouble is. That it keeps raining so it gets soaked


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10876328 - 08/17/09 02:44 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

If it's been rained on several times then it's fine.  You don't need to dry it all the way out, just below field capacity.  Then get it correctly moistened and pastuerize.

Yeah 'field-aged' manure with firefang is the best, but as long as it doesn't smell like urine you're good to go.  Road-shit works just fine :wink:


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: UpSwell]
    #10876373 - 08/17/09 02:50 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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If it's been rained on several times then it's fine.  You don't need to dry it all the way out, just below field capacity.  Then get it correctly moistened and pastuerize.

Yeah 'field-aged' manure with firefang is the best, but as long as it doesn't smell like urine you're good to go.  Road-shit works just fine :wink:




ya i recieved some hpoo FOAF and only smelt like straw, but was way to wet because it just rained, i went back and got some hpoo balls that looked aged and i am waiting to pasteurize the link above are the pictures of the hpoo balls is it in good shape?


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: r3nzhe]
    #10876410 - 08/17/09 02:55 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

If you pasteurize in a pillow case, submerged in water, there's no such thing as too wet.

Otherwise, you can always squeeze the excess water out of the poo, though having patience and waiting is always good too.


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Re: More Poo Talk [Re: r3nzhe]
    #10876413 - 08/17/09 02:55 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah it looks good.

Nice nugget of mushies you've got there.  Should put that in the hunting forum and see what it is.


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    #10876987 - 08/17/09 04:34 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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