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Ryan's Pepper garden
#5353323 - 03/01/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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MOD EDIT: Ryan, you just happen to run into the one moderator who thinks Capsicum sp. is an ethnobotanical medicine as well as a psychoactive, since the local sensation produces release of pleasurable neuroactives. This thread can stay here if Neuro is OK with it too.
Well some of you may know that this will be my first year at small scale farming. I have chosen to stick with one type of crop for the majority of my garden, but some smaller ones may be added at a later time. Hot Peppers with Scovillle units at approx 90,000 will be processed into medicinal and culinary products and also be sold as fresh or dried fruit and seeds. Scoville units
I have some concerns with the actual garden itself. The Okanagan is dry, the soil is crap where I live and we dint have a well, so you can see that water conservation is my number one concern. The soil is mostly clay but I knew that already from the years of planting other crops in the woods I know that I am going to be amending with manure and other compost, adding some sunshine mix or like for good drainage and water retention. Does anyone have any good natural water retention methods? ie:polymers, but something that is organic, I will be also enrolling in the organic certification program in BC. I will be mulching like crazy as we always do here, anyone have a particular type of mulch that they find works best? I have been reading that black plastic is a good idea for young plants, anyone have a comment on that. I have always just used lawn clippings or natural grasses. Has anyone ever heard of Waterlok? A rep came to one of our IPM conferences a couple years back, its a type of volcanic rock used for soil water retention. Waterlok
Here is a plan that I had made up for the garden setup.
Fencing - recycled and foraged posts -angled out to deter deer -posts ~ every 6 feet apart, 2 stringers running horizontal. -chicken wire wrapped and put few feet under surface for marmots and like. -simple wooden gate with metal hinges and some latching mechanism. -morning glory every so often to cover the entire fence -possibility of shade screen on hot days for water conservation.
Watering ? via drip line from underground barrels -rubbermaid bins or the like, dug under ground -attaching valve system for each line to each row. -tank is located above the garden for gravity fed application. -irrigation lines are trenched at ~ 2? deep.
Soil ? soil tested for ph and nutrient levels. ?land tilled, rocks and vegetation removed. -depending on soil conditions, amendments will be added as needed. -the use of promix in situations where soil is less than ideal. -manures, compost and other organic amendments will be used in the production of crops. - black plastic mulch used for seedlings for water conservation and protection from pests. -a thick mulch layer will be used for water conservation, ie: lawn clippings or bark and wild grasses. -level ground as much as possible, may end up as beds or terraces. - Planks for walking between rows used.
Pest control ? organic products, ie: pyrethrins, neem, soaps and deterrents. -deterrent plants will include nasturtiums, marigold (French), chrysanthemums (cineraruaefolium for sprays and others for the bees), lemon balm and basil.
One of my other concern is the angle of the land that I have chosen, the parcel that we are on is basically a huge hill, so this was the flattest spot that I could find. Has anyone had any experience with angled gardens, terraced or raised beds in such situations. I have seen loads of vineyards grown on land much steeper than mine.
Here are some shots to show the gradient.



And a video of me from the center of the garden panning.
If anyone has any suggestions, let them fly, I am open to anything and everything. I will update this thread as the garden takes shape. I went up today and the ground is starting to get soft, shovels to come out soon  Thanks for taking the time to read this and thanks for any response you may have. Peace friends
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5353399 - 03/01/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good luck on your pepper garden, their one of my favorite things in life. The hotter, the better.
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: rod]
#5353451 - 03/01/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the kind words
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5353535 - 03/01/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow,you live in a beautiful place man.Those mountains are great.
Good luck on your garden!
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I really do love this place, everytime I leave, I always end up back here, it was meant to be, thanks for the kind words
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5354901 - 03/01/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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when you let peppers start to leves to droop a bit before water creates hotter peppers but probably smaller fruits and or less of them. somthing to keep in mind. quality vs. quantity
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: the man]
#5355407 - 03/01/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Great point, thanks for that, kind of like the rumor of letting marijuana plants dry a bit before harvest to allow more trichomes to form. Can anyone debunk this notion?
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5356321 - 03/02/06 04:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have some concerns with the actual garden itself. The Okanagan is dry, the soil is crap where I live and we dint have a well, so you can see that water conservation is my number one concern.
Sometimes one can find used above-ground swimmingpools cheep for the hauling and I've considered using these for water storage. The major expense would be the building to house it and keep the critters out, and the roof to catch precipitation. At 7 gallons per cubic foot and 36 inch annual precipitation I figure a 20 foot round above-ground swimingpool will hold 9000 gallons which equals about 25 to 30 gallons/day for irrigation or personal use. As a bonus the pool could be used to raise fish (did you know those 20 cent silver goldfish at Walmart turn into koi?)
My experience with tilling sloping land is that the roto-tiller needs wheal extensions to keep it upright.
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Booby]
#5356889 - 03/02/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have some concerns with the actual garden itself. The Okanagan is dry, the soil is crap where I live and we dint have a well, so you can see that water conservation is my number one concern.
Sometimes one can find used above-ground swimmingpools cheep for the hauling and I've considered using these for water storage. The major expense would be the building to house it and keep the critters out, and the roof to catch precipitation. At 7 gallons per cubic foot and 36 inch annual precipitation I figure a 20 foot round above-ground swimingpool will hold 9000 gallons which equals about 25 to 30 gallons/day for irrigation or personal use. As a bonus the pool could be used to raise fish (did you know those 20 cent silver goldfish at Walmart turn into koi?)
My experience with tilling sloping land is that the roto-tiller needs wheal extensions to keep it upright.
Thanks for the input Bobby, Im thinking that the larger above ground pools would be too large, but how about the small kiddie ones, build a small shelter around it. Most of the water that I use will be hauled in on my back, cant really rely on rain water here for too much during the middle of the season. Thanks again for the help
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5357241 - 03/02/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lol, when I saw this thread I instantly thought
 Brian Pepper's Garden?
Anyway, best of luck!
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: jmg5]
#5357315 - 03/02/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Haha, thanks for that jmg 
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5359186 - 03/02/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here is a plan that I had made up for the garden setup.
Fencing - recycled and foraged posts -angled out to deter deer -posts ~ every 6 feet apart, 2 stringers running horizontal. -chicken wire wrapped and put few feet under surface for marmots and like. -simple wooden gate with metal hinges and some latching mechanism. -morning glory every so often to cover the entire fence -possibility of shade screen on hot days for water conservation.
Watering ? via drip line from underground barrels -rubbermaid bins or the like, dug under ground -attaching valve system for each line to each row. -tank is located above the garden for gravity fed application. -irrigation lines are trenched at ~ 2? deep.
Soil ? soil tested for ph and nutrient levels. ?land tilled, rocks and vegetation removed. -depending on soil conditions, amendments will be added as needed. -the use of promix in situations where soil is less than ideal. -manures, compost and other organic amendments will be used in the production of crops. - black plastic mulch used for seedlings for water conservation and protection from pests. -a thick mulch layer will be used for water conservation, ie: lawn clippings or bark and wild grasses. -level ground as much as possible, may end up as beds or terraces. - Planks for walking between rows used.
Pest control ? organic products, ie: pyrethrins, neem, soaps and deterrents. -deterrent plants will include nasturtiums, marigold (French), chrysanthemums (cineraruaefolium for sprays and others for the bees), lemon balm and basil Peace friends
GREAT PLAN! Nice spot, tooo... I was just outside in my garden today. Was turning over the soil, pulling weeds, transplanting some Iris bulbs, and try to chop away some roots with an axe.
Sometimes, it is really overwhelming when you think about all the work it's going to take. You need to be in shape, and be pioneering, domineering, and engineering in all your ways. And of course among those things, you need a boat load of energy.
When you plan your garden work days, eat well, but small before hand.. Fruits, and some starch. Then, drink lots of water while you're working, and piss on the open earth( to add nutes AND TO keep animals away) Just be thinking about how all the hard work will pay off big time.. and be a relaxing thing to enjoy..
Don't garden for the wrong reasons and you will be fine. Garden for fun and you will ENJOY getting your ass kicked in the field.. sore hands and feet will no longer bother you, and the dirt under your fingernails will serve as a reminder where you've been.
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GREAT PLAN! Nice spot, tooo... I was just outside in my garden today. Was turning over the soil, pulling weeds, transplanting some Iris bulbs, and try to chop away some roots with an axe.
Sometimes, it is really overwhelming when you think about all the work it's going to take. You need to be in shape, and be pioneering, domineering, and engineering in all your ways. And of course among those things, you need a boat load of energy.
When you plan your garden work days, eat well, but small before hand.. Fruits, and some starch. Then, drink lots of water while you're working, and piss on the open earth( to add nutes AND TO keep animals away) Just be thinking about how all the hard work will pay off big time.. and be a relaxing thing to enjoy..
Don't garden for the wrong reasons and you will be fine. Garden for fun and you will ENJOY getting your ass kicked in the field.. sore hands and feet will no longer bother you, and the dirt under your fingernails will serve as a reminder where you've been.
Keep it real bro
Wow, just wow, thanks for that . I do think at night sometimes about how much work its going to be. I have to pack alot of soil in, uphill, water, ugggh .
But your right, if I do it for the right reasons, then I will be ok. I am getting myself into good shape having to hike up the hill to get home at the end of the day, 10 minutes down on my bike, 1 hour hike up . But every time I get home I feel so great, I feel my body is getting in wonderful shape, my muscles are getting stronger and harder. Its getting easier everyday 
Now the fun stuff begins though, I cant wait for the ground to finish thawing out, then I can get up there and do a soil test to see what I am working with.
Who has some good ideas for fencing, I dont have alot of money to spend on new posts, so I was thinking foraging from the woods and other such places. I was thinking of doing an outward angled fence instead of going tall to keep the deer out. Has anyone had any experience with this?
Anyway, thanks for everything everyone, you are really helping me along 
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5360002 - 03/02/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://wildlifestewards.4h.oregonstate.edu/pdfs/deer.pdf
This example of a deer fence is what I was thinking, anyone have experience with them?
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Booby]
#5360464 - 03/03/06 02:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Booby said:9000 gallons
...er...make that 900 gallons
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Booby]
#5362381 - 03/03/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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...er; No.. pi times r squared= roughly 10x10=100x3=300x 3'deep=@900cu'x7 gal/cu'=6300 gallons.
= @ 35 gallons/day for a six month growing season.
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5363154 - 03/03/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thx bro, back at ya You sound like you will make it happen. Maybe not as big as you planned, don't plan so big it's outside your grasp... I always started small.
.. It's slightly unfortunate your spot is that far away from easy access... I garden a ton, but I only use a space of about maybe 200x200 feet. Basically I don't have time for it. But when I am not on the job, or hanging out, you better bet I will be enjoying a hobby like mycology or gardening or reading( etc) Watering and fencing, hmm, problems I have never had to deal with, but I highly suggest using foraged items to cut down on production costs... Things like scarecrows and animal scent sprays may be an alternative to fencing, but depending how bad the deer problem is it's up for grabs.
Watering... this is the main problem. I would highly suggest praying for a good rain season, and during the dry weeks busting ass to keep your plants alive with hand or tube watering... but it will still be a lot of work.
Oh man, too much work at my 'real job', no time for what I love
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Booby]
#5363322 - 03/03/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Booby said: ...er; No.. pi times r squared= roughly 10x10=100x3=300x 3'deep=@900cu'x7 gal/cu'=6300 gallons.
= @ 35 gallons/day for a six month growing season.
Haha, that math blows me away, Im terrible at the stuff. So is for one of those kiddie style pools? 
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pioneering_south said: Thx bro, back at ya You sound like you will make it happen. Maybe not as big as you planned, don't plan so big it's outside your grasp... I always started small.
.. It's slightly unfortunate your spot is that far away from easy access... I garden a ton, but I only use a space of about maybe 200x200 feet. Basically I don't have time for it. But when I am not on the job, or hanging out, you better bet I will be enjoying a hobby like mycology or gardening or reading( etc) Watering and fencing, hmm, problems I have never had to deal with, but I highly suggest using foraged items to cut down on production costs... Things like scarecrows and animal scent sprays may be an alternative to fencing, but depending how bad the deer problem is it's up for grabs.
Watering... this is the main problem. I would highly suggest praying for a good rain season, and during the dry weeks busting ass to keep your plants alive with hand or tube watering... but it will still be a lot of work.
Oh man, too much work at my 'real job', no time for what I love
Keep us updated
Wow 200x200, thats a large garden, that makes me think I need to make mine bigger, I donno, Im so knew to this, I want things to work out right.
I have these day dreams of being a farmer someday, just doing that and only that, whatever I may be growing, and the thing is I am just living. Maybe someday I will be there, its a huge dream of mine, it seems like my purpose. I dint want to work at my job for the rest of my life.
But anyway onto the gardening, Im thinking that I will go with foraged posts, I was going to use the angled design in that .pdf. String some kind of line, or maybe chicken mesh.
I wish we could have a good rainy season, its just doesn't happen here, but its ok, I will put alot of time and thought into my soil and mulch to make sure that things retain water well enough. We have 3 water barrels here that we use to collect rain water. Funny story, the other day when it was raining good and hard, I went and put them under the gutters. They filled up fast and the next day I checked them out and two of them where almost empty, I though what the hell. My stupid ass didn't realize that the taps on the bottom where open , it was raining so hard, I couldn't even tell.
But anyway to close this up, thanks to all that have helped me out here, it means alot. I am going to buy some seeds this weekend to go along with my home grown seeds. What does everything think about using a cayenne pepper(rated at ~ 50,000 scoville units) and then adding some other hotter variety at something like 100,000 units, then combining them to make the tinctures. I was thinking I could save alot of money on seeds and still get good medicinal tinctures. Anyway just a thought
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5364279 - 03/04/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Heres an update, its 10:15 Saturday morning, 3C already, going to be 8C in the middle of the day. Im grabbing my shovel and a cup of coffee and going to start diggin. I'll let ya know how it all went later on 
Edit: Well duh, the air temp is 3, but the soil was still frozen, silly me . Ah well good intentions. But I did find something to do. I decided that I would try and level the ground out by making a retaining wall at the bottom. This would also help for any kind of soil slippage. Here are some pics of what I got done, I wanted to work longer but I have to work. I think I will drop my shift tomorrow and work a good while at it. 






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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5367338 - 03/05/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hell ya ! we are on the same wave length. I will live in the country, with my hand built house, and hand tended garden, living off the land, and loving life, with a wonderful wife. Of course that is an ideal, far from my immediate realizations. You ought to think about tilling as soon as you can, the soil needs a bit of time to settle I think, before you plant. Peppers are great, I grew cayenne peppers from the store last year, and then used the seeds for a second generation this year... started indoors about two months ago, I need a camera to show you my garden... I will work on that..
Yeah work, it sucks. I worked 90 hours this last two weeks. Barely time for anything fun...
Seems like a good idea with the retainer wall, you will have to let us know how it turns out
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Your right about tilling, I need the soil to get soft. I have to start my seeds today too, we have been so busy moving that I havent hda the time to get things done. I bought a bail of promix yesterday from the hydro shop. I started to talk to her about organic moisture conservation, she recommended coconut coir. She even gave me a large chunk of it to try out, and along with that a two part nutrient solution used in coco mediums. Then I asked her about what she usese for foliars, so she reached under the counter and grabbed two little bottles of Supernatural Greenstay. She then proceeded to grab me a bottle of Bio-Grow nutrient additive and BN NovaRoots, an organic root stimulator. My mind was blown, so many goodies for free, I paid 25$ for the bail of promix(which by the way now has beneficial mychorriza) and the rest was mine to try out and just give her feedback on. What a deal, so I am going to be doing some experimental plants in pots in the yard to test these products out. Anyway Im off to see if I can find some starting pots
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5368347 - 03/05/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well after a long day of working, I think I am getting some real progress with this garden. A friend came up and helped me move more logs for the wall. The soil is thawing out quite nicely and I was able to rake and dig some of the grasses out. There is now a definite plot there. My batteries were dead so I couldnt take any pics, but I will go up tomorrow before work and get some. I was able to find some small pots to start my seeds in, so there are 15 little seedlings on the way. I will have to head to wally world and get some starting trays with a dome. I am using an old heater as some bottom heat to help keep temp and humidity up. More pics to come..

Edit: Here's a question, I want to use manures and compost for fertilizing, what is everyone's favorite? How do I know how much to add and is using two kinds going overboard. I was thinking of using chicken or rabbit and then adding some worm casting for some micronutes and overall soil improvment. Heres an idea, does anyone have a complete soil setup they use that is all organic for outdoor gardens?
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5368796 - 03/05/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ya dude. Manure rocks for composts.
By the way, stay motivated, this is great for you!
here is the deal, you need a truck and to know where the local horse farms are. You go, shovel truckbed, and then take to your plot... cover the ground with a layer of composts( horse manure and whatever else you can bring by the truckload) and then till it in.
It would be wise to add the compost before tilling. Because if you add it after, unless you are using aged compost, the manure takes time to directly be able to support plant life, but in the mix it's great.
By thew way what state are you in? The added benefit is you might even be adding local pan subbs into your plot. Around my place, the horse manure is everywhere, and free, I know at least 4 horse farmers, it's going to be very valuable pretty soon.
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
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" complete soil setup" would vary from plant to plant... some plants will love certain things, others will die. Depending on how many types of plants you are growing there is no 'magic formula'. But in general, manure and leaves and organic compost is a great thing to spread over the soil, and then till in at about 6-12 inches deep. Then, you can add specific amounts of PH adjusting things such as lime... but you need to read up on what PH level your plants will like.
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Any idea how long the manure will have to sit before I can plant. I had thought about this before but worried that I would run out of time. One problem is that my plot is not accesible by vehicle so everything needs to be brought in on my back . I suppose that I could just bag up the fresh shit and carry it up. I am going to get my grandmothers roto-tiller and go to town with that when the soil is good and soft
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
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Freshly tilled soil very much likes a few good rains, to balance out things.. So soon as the soil is thawed enough to till, have the stuff already on the ground, and then till it in, allowing it time to sit. Weeds( wild grasses) are going to be a potential big problem. You can buy cheap black tarp and lay it over the land after a good rain and all roots or seed sprouts will die, adding even more composts, and an invader free soil for the entire year. Save a ton of weed pulling later on.
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RyanKerr said: Any idea how long the manure will have to sit before I can plant. I had thought about this before but worried that I would run out of time. One problem is that my plot is not accessible by vehicle so everything needs to be brought in on my back . I suppose that I could just bag up the fresh shit and carry it up. I am going to get my grandmothers roto-tiller and go to town with that when the soil is good and soft
I see.. plants will grow from the soil there, sure. But get all you can done. It's too bad it's not accessible by truck. Wait, just got offroading man. It will help you a lot, if you plan to have a big healthy garden. Find a friend who likes to drive up the hilly plains  But if it's too rocky, or dangerous to drive, then backpacking manure or organic compounds becomes futile and your only choice is to just use organic fertilizers or PH adjusters( which will be fine)
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pioneering_south said: " complete soil setup" would vary from plant to plant... some plants will love certain things, others will die. Depending on how many types of plants you are growing there is no 'magic formula'. But in general, manure and leaves and organic compost is a great thing to spread over the soil, and then till in at about 6-12 inches deep. Then, you can add specific amounts of PH adjusting things such as lime... but you need to read up on what PH level your plants will like.
Yeah I suppose you are right that there is no complete setup. I am only growing one type of crop in here, the peppers, but I will be companion planting with marigolds and nasturtiums. Ph is supposed to be around 6-6.8.
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pioneering_south said: Freshly tilled soil very much likes a few good rains, to balance out things.. So soon as the soil is thawed enough to till, have the stuff already on the ground, and then till it in, allowing it time to sit. Weeds( wild grasses) are going to be a potential big problem. You can buy cheap black tarp and lay it over the land after a good rain and all roots or seed sprouts will die, adding even more composts, and an invader free soil for the entire year. Save a ton of weed pulling later on.
Thanks alot
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"Any idea how long the manure will have to sit before I can plant."
right from the horses ass it can support mushroom mycelia in about a month, and plant life at average I would say a 2 years, to grow directly from manure itself. BUT if you till it in with soil, even fresh from the ass manure is benificial that year for your plants.
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pioneering_south said: I see.. plants will grow from the soil there, sure. But get all you can done. It's too bad it's not accessible by truck. Wait, just got offroading man. It will help you a lot, if you plan to have a big healthy garden. Find a friend who likes to drive up the hilly plains  But if it's too rocky, or dangerous to drive, then backpacking manure or organic compounds becomes futile and your only choice is to just use organic fertilizers or PH adjusters( which will be fine)
I would try and drive in, but really there is no road to get to the top, its no big deal. I have packed materials in before and besides this is in my backyard, its not really that far. I was planning on cutting steps up to my path, make things a little easier. I thought about using just liquid fertilizers but the cost issue seemed to steer me out of that direction. Its a large plot so I think I will stick to the bulk materials. I'll save the good expensive grow stuff for my other plants
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For sure! But low weight fertilizers don't have to be expensive... Have you read up on if lime is helpful for peppers? If so it's dirt cheap, along with tons of other stuff..
You can buy stuff at the local hardware store that will dissolve in the rain, and non toxicly make the soil softer and easy to absorb water and till.
I'm pretty sure an application of 12-16-12( or whatever peppers like) fertilizer would be cheap enough to consider doing.
Just how many plants do you want to have? Do you have a market to export to already set up?
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oops, lemme go back and read the first post again. I've already forgotten how big your plan is... Then maybe I can help
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Sounds great.. I really like the idea of a rain well gravity drip system.. It's a really great idea( maybe expensive?) You say rain and water retention is a problem, but flooding and runoff could be a major issue. As always we can pray to the sun and rain spirits, and they will act however they really feel like... but maybe your thoughts will help them take it easy on your specific plot  What sort of products will you be manufacturing? any copyrights that you plan on recording?
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That entire web page rocks. I never knew so much about peppers as I do now. You've motivated me to grow more than cayenne peppers! I also just put a ton of Tabasco on some pizza fuck yeah, endorphins
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Huuyub HUUYUB!!! 
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Wasabi - it'll burn you every time. One reader thought the green horseradish paste was guacamole. John Briggs of Oak Cliff mistook it for a "blob of ground green salad" and swallowed a big fat bite.
"I sneezed convulsively, bits of green flying from my nose. My lower partial jarred loose. My upper palate rose to meet my nares. I clutched for water, salt, 911 and an old family amulet - all to no avail."
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The place: a New York restaurant. The sauce: Dave's Insanity.
No mere hot sauce, it had been offered as a replacement for the pepper vinegar that Flower Mound resident Debbie Quinn liked on her collard greens. With just a "dot" of the sauce, her mouth began to melt down.
"I could feel the inferno roar past my tongue and up into my nose and out my ears. I turned to look at my watering-eyed friend who . . . was most impressed as he was almost literally on fire. If not for the sweating, we would have been consumed by flames."
But here's the spooky part: Later, the restaurant burned down.
"We suspect it was the sauce," she says.
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had to psot one more, this is hillarious... poor guy 
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After five weeks in Korea, Rajiv Roy of Plano took a two-hour train trip to Seoul for a taste of home - Pizza Hut. On the menu was a "Three Pepper Pizza" that sounded "intriguing."
Surprise!
"It was as if someone had grabbed a hold of my tongue with spiked gloves, pulled it out of my face and lay it flat on the table, then methodically proceeded to make tiny slits with an X-Acto knife, pour salt in the wounds and dance on my tongue with hob-nailed boots. They then rolled it back up and put it back in my face and clamped down on my head and up below my chin so that I would not scream."
The Pizza Hut crew took pity on him and splashed pitchers of iced tea in his face.
check out the rest here http://www.exit109.com/%7emstevens/dallas_hot.html
good night, and now back to how to actually GROW these wonderful and wide ranged things
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Oh yeah I hear ya, I just meant the bottle of organic shit that I buy at the hydro store will be used on my other plants 
Lime is definetly something a pepper can do with, I was also thinking maybe some bone meal. Im not so sure yet, I still have some time to decide. The amounts of plants is not yet known, I need to go out and measure the garden and figure that out, but if I was to estimate at a rate of 1-1/2" between plants, I would say in the neighborhood of around 80-100 plants. I have no market to export to at this time. I have decided over anything that I will be making purely tinctures with my crop. I dont want to try and compete with any of the large farms in the area, they can out produce me with no problem. A friend and I are setting up a stand at the local farmers market to sell our wares, he has some art and I will sell my medicine.
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Haha, those are all great, I really love that site too. Here is something I found on erowid and posted in the Pub a while back. http://www.erowid.org/plants/capsicum/capsicum_article1.shtml
When I was planting my seeds today I decided to eat a bit of the pepper that I took them from. At first I took a tiny piece, crunched it up and felt a little tingle and a nice flavor. I then got a slightly larger piece and tossed it back, as soon as it broke, I felt a surge of electricity run to my tounge. My nose started to run and I had to hold my tounge outside of my mouth like a panting dog. The heat lasted for about 5 minutes or so. I am such a wimp when it comes to hot things, I really want to try surfing the burn, I just dont know if I can handle it
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pioneering_south said: Sounds great.. I really like the idea of a rain well gravity drip system.. It's a really great idea( maybe expensive?) You say rain and water retention is a problem, but flooding and runoff could be a major issue. As always we can pray to the sun and rain spirits, and they will act however they really feel like... but maybe your thoughts will help them take it easy on your specific plot  What sort of products will you be manufacturing? any copyrights that you plan on recording?
I dont think it will be too expensive, I will need to buy some large rubbermaid bins, some pvc pipe, hardware and some drip hose. My brother is in landscaping, so I can get the irrigation materials cheap. The rain barrels will stay at the house, I will have to pack that water up 
Im not too worried about flooding but runoff could be a problem with the angle of the slope, but I am working at getting it as flat as I can. If anything I might make raised beds in order to compensate.
I will pray for the rain, I love it when it does rain here, I know we need it. People who live in the city get water rations every summer because we dont get a good supply built in the winter. The summer is hot shit, temps up to 40C sometimes . Its dry air and it blows all the time, we live in a valley and have two lakes on either side. I love it here except for the lack of water, people have now gone to xeriscape gardening, which is a completely dry land, low water consumption type of landscaping. My plot will be the only green thing on the side of the hill 
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I will read this tomorrow, but one more thing I thought of before going to bed... why not rig up some tarps and rain collecting systems on top of the hill, that would cut out a ton of work. If that is out of the question, think about getting a truck or off road four wheeler to do some of the heavy moving work
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That is a good idea with the tarps, I will go and scope out a decent site for it. I dont want things to stick out to much though, I will be planting other such crops in the same area.
I went up this morning to remove some vegetation, since I removed most of it yesterday the soil has had some direct sun and was nice and soft. The patch is nice and dark black, I did a soil test and came to the conclusion that it was sandly/clay mixture, it leaves a stain on my hand but is kind of gritty. I am trying to figure out how much soil and amendments I am going to have to pack in. I found 4 more pots to start some seeds in, also I was in the gardening mood, so I planted a shit load of Tobacco (.rustica and .tabacum), some basil and some tomatillos. Anyway back to work for me, and not the fun kind
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Sweet! I have about thirty five Rustica plants.. Started indoors two months ago.. They do really well once you move them from flouros into a well lighted window box. I was just thinking about how now is a good time to plant some poppies. Which are very hard to grow indoors, btw. Also, I am worried cause my morning glories keep flowering, .. I need them to survive the year. Plus I lost all my wormwood and yopo plants 
I have sage, morning glory, san pedro, annise hyyssop, cayenne pepper, basil, spinach, garlic, onions, rosemarry, elf tomatoes, mint/peppermint, daffodils, iris, day lillies, echinecha, nicotine rustica, chamomile, california poppy, lavender, snow pea, and last but not least, mescaline lettuce mix ( 4 varriety) activly in growth. It's a lot of plants, and they all like a lot of things.. but I think my garden is pretty easy. My suggestions: read, study, think before you do. Handle with care, love your plants, feed them give them light, etcc I have an awesome book on organic gardening with an index of plant types and techniques. It's priceless
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Wow, you have quite the garden, sorry to hear about your loses though. How hard is it to grow yopo's, I got a few seeds a couple years back as a little bonus from a ethno. comany. I decided to smoke them instead of growing, but I did read that they are legumes correct? Do they need some type of nitrogen fixation like regular peas and company do?
Anyway I do have some more seeds that I didnt have time to start today, some cherry tomatoes, strawberry spinach, morning glory, peas and some afalfa. I bought this little started kit for growing alfalfa sprouts, I did one little crop and it turned out good, but I lost the mesh. I was wondering if there is any chance to just grow them decently in the ground instead, I have a good sized bag of seeds left. I wondering if maybe the deer will eat those instead of my gardens 
p_s, thanks for all your input with this endevour, your posts are kind, heartfelt and always helpful
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I would really get a pump for the water, maybe even a solar panel for power. Pump water up to the growsite into a small, 80-100 gallon water tank. Make sure the tank is at the highest point so gravity is on your side. You also might want to rent or invest in a tiller of some sort. Remember - Always use the right tool for the job. 
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I also have an organic gardening book and its my bible. I don't refer to it anymore because I know it front to back. But without it I wouldn't be where I am now. I have currently on a quarter acre watermelon, squash, lettuce, sweet basil, parsely, cilantro, carrots, snap pea, jalapeno, 2 varieties of tomato, beets, radish, cabbage, leeks, onion, chives, garlic, lemons, orange, pomegranate, peach, apple, apricot, nasturtium, hollyhock, cosmos, red flax, sunflower, poppies, somniferum, penstemons, bachelor buttons, day lilies, canna, datura, wormwood, and a variety of cactus and succulents. I'm really running out of space and thats all I can remember off my head! I also own 42 acres of land thats not developed at all. I need a well first...
Its alot of hard work but it was worth every drop of sweat. I wish you the best of luck
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We learn, so we pass it on.. I've learned a lot here, so the helpful and heartfelt goes both ways 
Now onto Yopo, darn hard if you ask me. I even used the pea inoculate tek where you clip the seedlings for nitrogen. They need very specific watering and humidity specifications at a young age, which I was unable to provide. Yopo seed rarely stay viable beyond the first 4 months... they loose viability much faster than other seeds. You need fresh seeds, and perfect soil conditions to sprout them. My success was 3 sprouts, 10 seeds planted. Of those 3 sprouts, all died. I was like WTF. But do a search for growing yopo. Now that I learned my mistake all I need is some more fresh seeds and I will grow more.
I want to look into alfalfa and wheat grass, as healthy vegetable juicing opportunities. You could grow wheat grass, and then milk the juice, then sell it in your tinctures. It's amazing healthy. I made a tincture of fresh echinecha cayenne peppers and chamomile last summer. This year I have tons more home remedies and recipes and extractions planned ...
One sec, lemme eat some hot sauce. My sauce is hot and my bread was spicier with the cayenne ham. ENDORPHINS!! hahaha

The key to a more profitable endeavor is small gardens, with lots of variety, that way your product range is wide and more likely to sell. I have tons of seeds, if you would be interested in trading maybe... I can think of a few seeds I may need that you've mentioned. just drop me a line if you're interested.
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Psilopleix said: I would really get a pump for the water, maybe even a solar panel for power. Pump water up to the growsite into a small, 80-100 gallon water tank. Make sure the tank is at the highest point so gravity is on your side. You also might want to rent or invest in a tiller of some sort. Remember - Always use the right tool for the job. 
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I also have an organic gardening book and its my bible. I don't refer to it anymore because I know it front to back. But without it I wouldn't be where I am now. I have currently on a quarter acre watermelon, squash, lettuce, sweet basil, parsely, cilantro, carrots, snap pea, jalapeno, 2 varieties of tomato, beets, radish, cabbage, leeks, onion, chives, garlic, lemons, orange, pomegranate, peach, apple, apricot, nasturtium, hollyhock, cosmos, red flax, sunflower, poppies, somniferum, penstemons, bachelor buttons, day lilies, canna, datura, wormwood, and a variety of cactus and succulents. I'm really running out of space and thats all I can remember off my head! I also own 42 acres of land thats not developed at all. I need a well first...
Its alot of hard work but it was worth every drop of sweat. I wish you the best of luck
Thanks Psilo, lots of great advice, you have quite the garden setup there aswell. I do infact have a small pump to go along with the water barrels, I just need to find some new hardware for it, I hope it would be strong enough to pump the water up the hill. I will be tilling asap, my grandmother has a small but adequate rototiller that I will use.
I think you two are right, I need to grow something else, I had thoughts on Ashwagandha but I think it might be too late now to start and order seeds. A couple years back I had the idea to grow Tobacco, harvest the leaves and then sell those ass a pesticide spray. Im wondering if there is any market for that, or maybe even do a tobacco/chrysanthemum daisy mixture. Im not too sure, any suggestions. I would be more than happy to trade seeds with anyone for nearly anything 
I am thinking now that I am going to have a good amount of room in there so maybe some border plants of basil and other herbs that I could sell fresh at the market. I also need to find something that isnt too avaliable around here. I myself dont have a good organic grow book, but the library here does, not to mention I have binder for gardening that is getting more full by the day with articles and essays.
Last night before bed, I had a talk with all my unsprouted babies, I told them that I loved them and wanted them to be the happiest plants they could be, I told them I will promise to take care of them if they take care of me and others 
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We learn, so we pass it on.. I've learned a lot here, so the helpful and heartfelt goes both ways
Now onto Yopo, darn hard if you ask me. I even used the pea inoculate tek where you clip the seedlings for nitrogen. They need very specific watering and humidity specifications at a young age, which I was unable to provide. Yopo seed rarely stay viable beyond the first 4 months... they loose viability much faster than other seeds. You need fresh seeds, and perfect soil conditions to sprout them. My success was 3 sprouts, 10 seeds planted. Of those 3 sprouts, all died. I was like WTF. But do a search for growing yopo. Now that I learned my mistake all I need is some more fresh seeds and I will grow more.
I want to look into alfalfa and wheat grass, as healthy vegetable juicing opportunities. You could grow wheat grass, and then milk the juice, then sell it in your tinctures. It's amazing healthy. I made a tincture of fresh echinecha cayenne peppers and chamomile last summer. This year I have tons more home remedies and recipes and extractions planned ...
One sec, lemme eat some hot sauce. My sauce is hot and my bread was spicier with the cayenne ham. ENDORPHINS!! hahaha
The key to a more profitable endeavor is small gardens, with lots of variety, that way your product range is wide and more likely to sell. I have tons of seeds, if you would be interested in trading maybe... I can think of a few seeds I may need that you've mentioned. just drop me a line if you're interested.
Yopo does sound like a pain in the but. My smoked experience sounds about as fun as your growing experience But anyhow thats not important.
I am also thinking about foraging for some Mullein and making insecticidal sprays with it, has anyone used it for white flies, I hear it works wonders. There is a ton and I mean a ton of it here, so it would be no problem gathering some up. I have a market for my tomatilos if they start to go well, a friend of mine's family is mexican. I remember a couple years back when I told them that I was starting to grow them, she said that they would buy them in a hearbeat, I think she said they use them for a green salsa. Anyway thanks for all the great ideas I will be thinking about my garden all day at work, the good thing is I get to read in between calls, so I have some grow mags sitting in front of me. A funny thing, one of the new Maximum yields has a great article on growing for profit 
Well I am going to take some pictures of what I got done in the last couple days for you all, then I gotta head to the old workplace. I will keep you all updated. Bye for now
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Some pictures 
My pump and water barrels.


My Gandalf stick 

Land getting cleared




The hill 

My babies 

That's all folks

Edit: Just thought about this, maybe I could even just make a reservoir halfway up the hill if the pump wont make it all the way. At least this way I wont have to lug the water so far, just a thought. Anyway gotta go to work. Also in that Maximum yield, there is an article on growing plants for the essential oils, woot, got me some good reading for work 
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MOD EDIT: Ryan, you just happen to run into the one moderator who thinks Capsicum sp. is an ethnobotanical medicine as well as a psychoactive, since the local sensation produces release of pleasurable neuroactives. This thread can stay here if Neuro is OK with it too.
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are you kidding wiccan? ofcoarse the thread can stay here, that's what this forum is for 
quite a projet you have going on here ryan, keep us updated. may you eat hot dishes everyday after you harvest
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are you kidding wiccan? ofcoarse the thread can stay here, that's what this forum is for
Not quite: The Ethno Garden focuses on psychoactives while cultivation of foodplants belongs in Culinary Arts.
Peppers however are dominated by capsaicins which act on pain- and heat receptors and indirectly (but chemically) induce euphoria. This makes it a psychoactive.
I feel the focal point of this forum lies in ethnobotanic in the medicinal and/or psychoactive sense.
Ginseng and Mandrake yes, Carrots no 
It's a good thread that holds great promise!
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there you have a point, didn't think of culinary arts
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: stefan]
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Hehe, whoops all I didnt even realize, I always just think of the ethno garden as a place to discuss growing anything, my bad.
I will be making both medicinal and culinary products out of the peppers, I would like the thread to stay here in the garden if thats okay, mods feel free to move if you so desire  Bye for now
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Psilopleix]
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pioneering_south said: It's priceless
QUOTE I also have an organic gardening book and its my bible. I don't refer to it anymore because I know it front to back. But without it I wouldn't be where I am now. I have currently on a quarter acre watermelon, squash, lettuce, sweet basil, parsely, cilantro, carrots, snap pea, jalapeno, 2 varieties of tomato, beets, radish, cabbage, leeks, onion, chives, garlic, lemons, orange, pomegranate, peach, apple, apricot, nasturtium, hollyhock, cosmos, red flax, sunflower, poppies, somniferum, penstemons, bachelor buttons, day lilies, canna, datura, wormwood, and a variety of cactus and succulents. I'm really running out of space and thats all I can remember off my head! I also own 42 acres of land thats not developed at all. I need a well first...
Its alot of hard work but it was worth every drop of sweat. I wish you the best of luck
Dude, you're garden ROCKS!!! I really wish my wormwood was more viable( australian ebayere sent me bunk seeds~!!)
I like that u have fruit trees. I forgot to mention I have a fig tree. I am going to take 3 types of cuttings very soon, one in a cup or water, one in the ground, one with air layering, and one with the stone pull down method(maybe). Did you like the section in your organic gardening book about air layering? Have you ever air layered? You've clearly studied more than me... my organic gardening book is still hours upon hundreds of hours of reading and practice.
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5375973 - 03/07/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You talked to the plants? I do that too, heh. Actually when I am splitting up plants for thinnings, I feel streessed sometimes like the plants, and when I give it my up most care and gentel touch of attention, my plants love me. I consider it training in advanced. I wonder if you can mail live plants fast enough to survive. Has anyone ever ex press mailed live plants( not including cactus) Cause if that can work, I have tons of stuff to trade, some perfect sized nicotine rustica came to mind.
As far as a market for the stuff: who knows... All I know is more products = more possibility for money. Considering growing a few tobacco plants is pretty cheap, go for it.
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when i was a kid i had a neighbor who used to tell me that a certain plant nearby was actually big brested women with an evil spell put on them and if you sat in the plant it would crawl into your pants and have its way with you, and if you did it evry day the women would turn back to women and have sex with you all the time.
i was 6 and he was 8. i beleived evry word. but sadly, the plants just wouldnt crawl into my pants....
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Mitchnast]
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If you're trying to say that you can't have sex with a plant, you're wrong

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Yeah I talk to the plants, everyday right now, I really want to make sure things come up.
Poor Mitch, well at least now you can satisfy your urges with by growing some beautiful ladies in the garden.
So here is a little update on what I have chosen to do. Peppers - tinctures, ointments. Tobacco - sprays Mullein - sprays and medicinal teas and poultices, smoked for respiratory conditions. Tomatillos - sell as fruit Pillows - I was thinking of making some dream pillows with some mugwort. Anyone happen to have any seeds?
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5377776 - 03/08/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here are some $$ ideas
Pepper mace spray Grow some mints and easy herbs, and bag your own teas to sell Make tinctures, with vodka or everclear with your extractions, they last longer( most herbal water based extractions loose properties after one year... suspended in alcohol I heard they last two, even three years)
If you plan to use the spot for a long time, get at least one or two fruit trees/plants. They take a long time to produce massive ammounts, but once you have a large fruit tree, or blueberry bush( or many), you are set.
Peppers are also a natural pesticide, I would come up with a tobacco, pepper, and maybe other ingredient natural pesticide, and test it out first to see if it works.
Flowers: not sure if you've considered growing flowers, but cut flowers like zinias and poppies and lillies and roses have a high market value.... Plus, once you plant bulbous flowers they come back every year, and can be split up for hundreds more plants.
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Thanks p_s, those are some great ideas. I did consider the peppers for a spray as well. I will be using alcohol for the extractions. I also thought of doing basil and selling it fresh. I have a friend who is a sales rep for Neptune foods and I am sure he can get rid of it for me.
I am planning on using this site for a while, after all I am putting all I have into it. A couple fruit tress would be great and eventually could be good for shade. I previously worked in the pest control field, so I was thinking that maybe peaches grafted to apricot base for resistance to borer and maybe plums or some apricots. Who knows, just not cherries or apples, anything that needs to be sprayed My whole yard is getting a complete treatment this year form my old company, dormant oil and then some cover sprays with soap  Anyhow Im back to work, bye for now
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5381347 - 03/09/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have an idea about Tobacco: To obtain a tobacco license is out of the question for the small grower... Thus, if you grow nicotine or other tobacco plants, small self rolled, and blended, organic tobacco can be sold for good profit.. These types of items would be perfect for shows or gatherings with lots of people. The only catch is: know your buyer.. technically you are committing a trade violation by selling unlicensed tobacco.
Wormwood and annise: me personally was trying to grow my own wormwood artesium and aniise hyysop to make bootleg Absinthee( to drink, or even better yet sell to( and share with) close friends) Unfortunately I did not succeed growing wormwood( the main ingredient) but I have a TON of annise hyysop...At least 20 live plants. 8"-1' tall with 3-4 nodes.
Another idea is a mass grow of garlic. Garlic is like 50cents for a clove at the store, and each clove has ten nodes... I bought 4 of them and have 40 garlic plants already growing, which will each in turn, become 10 fold, making my garlic garden 400 plants next year.. All for the grand price of $2. Pure garlic pills sell as supplements, and also as insect repellent pills! This just dawned on me... Defiantly grow garlic. It takes up very little space, too.
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Quote:
pioneering_south said: I have an idea about Tobacco: To obtain a tobacco license is out of the question for the small grower... Thus, if you grow nicotine or other tobacco plants, small self rolled, and blended, organic tobacco can be sold for good profit.. These types of items would be perfect for shows or gatherings with lots of people. The only catch is: know your buyer.. technically you are committing a trade violation by selling unlicensed tobacco.
Wormwood and annise: me personally was trying to grow my own wormwood artesium and aniise hyysop to make bootleg Absinthee( to drink, or even better yet sell to( and share with) close friends) Unfortunately I did not succeed growing wormwood( the main ingredient) but I have a TON of annise hyysop...At least 20 live plants. 8"-1' tall with 3-4 nodes.
Another idea is a mass grow of garlic. Garlic is like 50cents for a clove at the store, and each clove has ten nodes... I bought 4 of them and have 40 garlic plants already growing, which will each in turn, become 10 fold, making my garlic garden 400 plants next year.. All for the grand price of $2. Pure garlic pills sell as supplements, and also as insect repellent pills! This just dawned on me... Defiantly grow garlic. It takes up very little space, too.
Thats a great idea with the Tobacco, I have a shitload of .tabacum and .rustica seeds not to mention 2 packs of some type of hybrids, they are Nicotiana so I would assume they are true Tobaccos?
Garlic, I never thought of that, there is an organic farm not to farm from here and I do see him at the farmers markets selling his stuff. He is also an amazing cannabis grower, all organic 
But capsules sounds like a good idea, that way Im not trying to compete with him. I was going to go and garden today, the sun was shining and the sky was blue when I got up, but now things are cloudy. So I think I am going to smoke some herb with a friend and get myself ready for a trip this weekend, 1.5-2 grams dried with Cranberry juice to make Gummihuasca, yum yum
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5389796 - 03/11/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here is a little update, today I noticed I have tons of little tobacco seedlings emerging, both rustica and tabacum and I also noticed that I have 3 basil seedlings, woot Pictures to come when I get home. Starting seeds is always a stressful time for me, I always wonder if I planted them too deep or too shallow, too much water, not enough, uuggghh! Im glad, now I just have to wait for the peppers and tomatillos 

Edit: Also no Gummihausca for me tonight, the mushrooms did not come throug But its ok, I went to the headshop and bought some Salvia divinorum extract and plan on trying it for the first time in well over a year tonight. Wish me luck 
Another edit: My dad and I got talking about fencing the other day. We use to live on a ranch so he told me how they used to make them back in the day. We talked for a while and I thought about it more lastnight, instead of doing the angled fence, I will make a tall one instead. Using a teepee design at the corners and one post in the middle on the long sides, I will raise a round post (not sure on height yet) and settle it in the middle, dig a hole and add some gravel. I can then string rows on thing cabel/wire through those u-nails. I wont have to pound posts or pack concrete up the hill. I was also worried about using the angled fence on a sloped hill, in my mind it seemed like it would end up being alot work.
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5417741 - 03/19/06 12:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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How is it going.... this is pioneering_south. Sorry I had not replied sooner, my account was banned(unjustly) and now I just got to make a new name
MOD EDIT: your return has admin approval - go ahead.
Anyways, I hope your garden is well! my garden is doing great I really need to get a camera. I spent about 8 hours outside today and really knocked out some heavy stuff. Right now I am chilling out to some herbal tea and some thing else sweet for me  It's been a long day, give up the update.. Are you still motivated?
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5417833 - 03/19/06 01:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey p_s sory to hear about your ban. Hell yeah Im still motivated, I have been working a bit more this week so I didnt get a chance to get any work done on the garden itelf. I had 100% germination on all my peppers, only about 20 so far, I need to go and get some more pots. I have them along with the basil under a fluorescent light. I am also trying to clone an orange tree, anyone had any luck with that before?
Since I have the next two days off I think that I will be putting some good hours in up at the garden. Its supposed to get to 10C in the afternoon, Im sure I can move some soil then 
My tobacco are coming along nicely, I had them under a 400w sodium for a few days but found that it dried them out too fast, so now they are in a nice south facing window. I need to take some pictures, gotta find some batteries first.
No luck on the tomatillos yet, I think they are supposed to be a couple weeks anyhow. I was at my folks house today cleaning my dads gutters and spotted a nice little pvc greenhouse that I constructed last year. I have a bunch more pvc there so I will also be making some cold frames.
I need to get moving on the fence though, I have to find some cheap or free lumber. We just got a puppy and she has been running along the deer trails like mad, I think she will do a good job in keeping the deer at bay.
I also found a bunch of 2x4's in a trailer under a tarp, going to use them for making a raised veggie garden in the back yard. Going to make the dog run next to it in order to keep the deer out.
My brother and I also have some other seedlings on the go at the moment. 12 bag seeds under a 400w sodium, we are awaiting on some seeds from a friend in Ca, 150 to be exact 

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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5418743 - 03/19/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I remember we talked about all that :0 Way to go mayn! Glad to see you're still in it. I was sooo lucky I had Friday, Saturday, and today( Sunday) off. I gardened about 4 hours on Friday and literally all day and night yesterday( minus getting side tracked 100 times.
Forming rows is hard work! I am doing a garden technique this year out of raised beds, to keep the majority of the root ball above flood level for any hard storms. my beds are about 8 inches high, and I have added about 30 or so bags of organic compost thus far.
A raised vegetable garden close to the house is a sweet idea. If the soil underneath your raised bed is really clay-like and crappy, make the walls of your bed at least 6" high to give your plants plenty of soil.. and make sure the soil can't wash away, and also that the water CAN wash away, once it flows down and to the bottom of your raised bed.
I'll get a camera up soon enough, for now my babies will have to get a little bigger! Sweet dog!
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5420387 - 03/19/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here's a little update.
It was a beautiful day today so I decided to check the soil, viola! it was soft 
I was able to turn at least a good 4-6 inches, I was sooo happy. I didn't get alot done though, I was dead tired from a hike and bike I did earlier in the day. I do have tomorrow off, so I plan to have it all turned by tomorrow night 
My peppers have almost all come up now, although I went to plant some more today and couldn't find my seeds. I'm thinking that they maybe have gotten thrown out since they were all in a plastic bag 
Went to wally world today and got some starting trays with domes along with some new seeds. Tomatoes, regular and Thai basil. I was thinking that I could maybe make some salsas and sell those at the market. If my tomatillos come up I can make some deadly sauces.
I was browsing through walmarts sad display of herbs and flowers and noticed a couple half decent looking plants. I scooped them up right away, a lemon balm and Greek oregano. I noticed some lovely looking fertilizer pellets lurking so I decided to transplant them into some nice pro-mix right away. They seem happier already 
Well pictures to come tomorrow after I finish turning the garden.
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5423616 - 03/20/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well today was a lazy day, I didnt get up unitl 11:30, kinda crummy outside. I puttered around the house for a bit and then went into town to buy some more seeds. I went to art knapps and found they had a good selection to choose from. I got some Habanero, Tepin, Hungarian Yellow(Hot) and some Italian Pepperocini. Picked up a 72 cell starting tray, its filled with some nice promix awaiting planting tomorrow. So I am waiting for 15 basil, 10 thai basil, 25 tomatoes, 30 tomatillos and 72 various peppers to sprout  Pictures will come when its time 
Edit: Noticed that my tobaccos are pushing the first true set out, very small but I can see em
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5424724 - 03/21/06 11:00 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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So all the peppers are planted, 18 of each kind, now they are sitting by the heater. I have one tomatillo that I noticed last night, its sitting under the fluourescent now.

Edit: Here is something I thought of last night. There was a fire that came through this way maybe 6 or 7 years back, maybe longer. We lost alot of old trees but now tons of new saplings are everywhere. I have a bunch in the backyard that are too close together. My plan was to thin then out and let the best ones stay, with the others I was thinking of taking cutting and trying to root them. I could maybe sell these little trees are the market for 10-15 dollars each. Anyone have any luck with cloning pine trees ?
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5425345 - 03/21/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here are a couple pictures as of today 
Tobacco
Cayenne peppers
Basil
Just planted these yesterday and today 

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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
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Way to go dude.. Luckily for me I started early... but you jumped on the train right at the last minute. Your hemp plants are about the size of my poppy plants, and I sowed them in the fall. They grew extremely slow all winter and will sky rocket come the warm summer months. The rest of my stuff I started mid winter, but inside they got much bigger, my tobacco plants already have leaves 7 inches long and 3 inches wide.. they will be huge at the time of harvest.
As far as buying plants: totally find a good nursery. Buying a one foot pepper plant for 99cents really puts some light to the LONG and SLOW and caring process of growing peppers from seeds. But I loved growing it from seeds, don't get me wrong. But I also like being able to buy a good selection.
Keep it up! Any new ideas on the raised bed near the house? A raised bed is a great way to grow some huge peppers or tomatoes cause you can fill the raised area with tons of perfectly formulated soil..
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5428339 - 03/22/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks bro, I cant wait to see your pictures. Your tobacco sound huge, I really love growing tobacco, such a fun plant and lovely flowers. 
Yeah I agree on buying transplants, 99cents is a good deal, I dint want to pay to much for them though, thats why I am hesitant. When the nursery has them in I will see how much larger they are than mine and decide. I'm sure that they must have been started a while back. At any rate, I have a shit load of plants, well seeds at the moment, so I'm sure to get something out of it all. If not, its fun anyhow 
Haven't worked on the raised bed yet, but the plan is to make it 8 inches deep (2x 2"x4"'s high). I think I will use some promix, coco and some compost, a simple chicken wire/rebar fence. Nice and easy, I have a water barrel 5 feet away, fresh veggies at my fingertips 
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5435985 - 03/23/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've decided not to even grow any ganja this year... It's just too hard and risky for us Americans.. And you... they are for hemp necklaces is all  Good luck though. I had to cover all my plants, because of the frost last night.. It was a huge pain to do, but they all survived. I started sooooo early this year, that my harvest will be huge, but I have to deal with this late winter mans frost 
My new projects include trying to root some bonsai oak tree cuttings, and some Christmas cactus cuttings.
I have also successfully transplanted about 20 poppy seedlings( one inch tall, 6 leaves) which is a very hard thing to do without killing them.
I spent about 3 hours doing my rows of strawberries, digging them up and putting them in raised bed, and then my dad comes home with 4 pounds of strawberries he bought real cheap. Either way, I don't grow for food alone, but fun.
I need to pull another late night, with a fire, and my spotlights. Those nights are the best, I rig up the CD player, lights, and a warm ass fire, and hoe/make rows/water plants/enjoy being outside, all with a little tookie 
Anyways, stay in there, we can keep this alive until the harvest, and even after, and keep learning from each other... I wish more people would chime in :0 peace bro
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerbouchard]
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any advice on transplanting poppy seedlings?
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The key is to get as much of the soil as you can when you move them, once the roots spread out very far, it's impossible not to damage the root system. Dig them up, WITH the soil around them, and put into a newly prepared bed. Try to leave at least a little bit of bare poppy roots in the new soil, so it can expand into the new highly organic soil, but be careful
Poppy roots are hair thin, and break really easy. Also, keep them well watered the first week after transplanting. Main advice is: don't transplant... sow in your best soil.
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5439400 - 03/24/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey all, things are going pretty good here. I have been sick for the past couple days, soo drained, I havent been able to get anything done, even had to call in sick for work today.
My peppers are coming along quite nicely, first true set is poking its head out. We had a little pH problem with our ganja girls this past couple days, went to the hydro store this afternoon and talked to my buddy, he set me straight. I love those guys down there 
So I thought I lost my bag of seeds the other day, they turned up though. I was at my folks house looking through my moms seeds and found so neat ones. Got some Ground Cherries, some ornamental grass, some more tomatoes(cherry), Strawberry spinach, Banana plant, peas and some annual flowers.
Also got my Shamanspalace order today Got some Turkish giant poppy seeds, Coffee seeds and some HBWR  They also threw in some Sacred lotus stamens and 5x extract, anyone have any experience with these.
So I have a bunch of planting to do this weekend, the poppies is what I am most excited on, never tried them before, its not too late is it?
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5439561 - 03/24/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It seemed as though the many seeds I put in my pot were NEVER going to germinate. It is probably been 10 days since the first one germinated, and now I have at least 20 little seedlings in that pot. A couple are developing their second node. I guess I have to kill off a bunch 
So for here, it is not too late, no.
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I hate having to thin plants out sometimes too, but its for the better. Im glad that it wont be too late here, I have been reading poppies.org . I have a nice south/west facing bed that I will use.
What about deer and poppies, do they like them? I might have to fence the area off.
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerbouchard]
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It's quite easy, I have a few cuttings in a mason jar and roots just started to come out.
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Waffle]
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ya, they root real easy. I also took some cuttings from my African violet and another(unknown) plant, to try and root.
As far as poppies, no, it's not too late. Sow them directly in the well prepared soil, right on top, and LIGHTLY sprinkle a tiny ass amount of dirt over them. Sorry to hear you've been sick. Get well soon bro, you have my best wishes.
If you plant poppies now, they won't get really big, but you will still get pods. I could have sent you some really viable Persian white seeds, but it's all good, I see you are holding the fort down.
I thinned about 2000( literally) poppy plants, with 2 sets of leaves, because they came up in some hard ass soil, which made the already hard to transplant nature of poppies, become impossible.
Good thing my plants survived this frost, I had to cover up my tomatoes and peppers, and also my herbs. I ended up buying a bee balm, chive, peppermint, spearmint, and apple mint herb plant, and put it in there with my anise hyssop, so it's a great herb bed going.
Also got my onions in the ground, I planted approximately 80 bulbs, they will come up when it warms up.
My grandmother used to have these cuttings she made from Christmas cactus, and they must have been in the cup of water for a long time,because they developed the biggest root system I ever though possible. It's a slow process, but cactus are really hard to kill( thank goodness) Stick in there!
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5441934 - 03/25/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the kind words bro. Im feeling like a bag of shit today again, called in sick again for work. My head has been pounding for 3 days with the same headache, advil isnt doing shit.
I noticed some of my new basil came up this morning, 12 to be exact, I was surprised it was so fast.
I have given up on the tomatillos, I think I may have planted them too deep or something, only got one to sprout ah well.
Hey Flowy, since I dont have alot of poppy seeds to work with, would it be alright to just use some peat pucks and them move them outside when its warmer?
It sounds like your garden is coming along quite nicely, I cant wait to see some pictures 
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
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Get well soon, man! Lots of work to be done... You deserve a break though. Just don't loose your steam and motivation.. kay? I know you won't  Thanks to this thread, I have an easy time staying motivated.. I come here just to check this post... stick around
I'm glad to hear your seedlings are doing well. That was a fun stage for me. I literally started 15 different types of seeds, and each of them pretty much came up in different intervals.
As far as the peat pellets... sure, it will probably work.. I have no experience with it. But what I do know, is out of my hundreds of plants started indoors, poppies and nasturtium are the ONLY plants that died indoors. They are very hard to grow indoors, and when you move them outside( as well as with all your plants) you need to do it slowly, to get them used to the sun.
Getting your baby plants used to the sun is an important, and sometimes long and drawn out process. But it's very important.
Good luck with the poppies, I am SOOO excited about mine... first year. I have them planted around other tall growing flowers( Namely echinecha) Of course, I will only use them for legal floral arrangements.. they are soo pretty, heh.
A small tips( I'm sure you know this): keep your seedlings as close as possible to the lights, I made the mistake of not doing that, and I got a lot of plants with long and flexy stems( which is not the end of all things, but can make problems in the future)
hey, keep the questions coming, I want to help in ANY way. I will post again when I come up with more. Peace bro.
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerbouchard]
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I would agree that hardening them off is a very important step. I have a nice little pvc greenhouse that I can use for that.
My little flouorescent light is not gonna be able to handle all the plants that I have coming. So I am hoping that a nice sunny windowsill will work nicely for that purpose.
Heres a question, I have 2 different kind of tobacco that I have never tried to grow, one is called Sylvestris and the other is Tinkerbell. They are both Nicotiana, so I would assume that they contain nicotine, although I am not to sure, any idea?
I was also planning on using Nasturtiums for companion planting, would it be better to direct seed those in the garden instead of indoors. I remember last year ours got really lanky, they didnt fare so well at first. But those things sure take off once they get outside. I am also planning on using marigolds, but I think I will buy transplants.
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
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yeah, nasturtium doesn't do well inside, even by a sunny window( in my experience) As far as the tobacco goes, I have NO idea.. But I hope they are active, for your sakes.. Growing my own tobacco has been very fun and rewarding, even though I have yet to smoke any of my homegrown. To do it right, you have to harvest when the plant is dying, and the leaves start to yellow, while still attached to the plant. And then to get a smooth smoke, a (somewhat) complicated curing process is needed. Check erowid or google( sorry, I'm not up for that, just now)
Make sure to rotate your window plants, so they don't bend toward the light too much. It's so hard for me not to splurge on plants, at the nursery.. I am already almost in over my head, with so many different things growing, and new projects/ideas.
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5442357 - 03/25/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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One variety has red tubular flowers, while the others are white. They are more like .tabacum flowers than .rustica.
I would say that Tobacco is one of my favorite plants to grow. The harvesting and curing process is the hardest part for me. I have gotten some nice smooth smoke a couple years back, very tasty and super strong. My brother did a good job last year as well, I never got a chance to grow much myself as I lived in an apartment.
I think that I might go the the nursery tomorrow and check things out.
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5443819 - 03/26/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I doubt you'll need fencing: the deer here on the Gulf Islands are voracious and not once has one nibbled my poppies grown outside the fence.
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#5444590 - 03/26/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks nijusan, thats good to know. The deer make a daily habit of walking through my garden, they aren't spooked to easily anymore, so used to humans. I think my new pooch will do a good job too.
Im feeling a hole lot better, still slept all day, just got up actually, its 3:30 in the afternoon  Noticed that I have about 15 basils up now along with about a dozen of my tomatoes, woot! So Im moved both of those trays to my windowsill.
I have tomorrow off as well so I think that I will get planting all my new seeds, or maybe go work in the garden if I feel up to it. I dont want to delay myself getting better though. I was so pissed that I was sick, today was such a beautiful day, I could have gotten so much done, ah well, another day.
Bye for now
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5446120 - 03/27/06 02:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You could also kill the deer. But first read up on how to rack, skin, and butcher them. Buy a freezer, and preserve the meat( preferably in vacuum sealed bags) 100% organic, VERY LOW FAT, healthy( and damn tasty) meat. Use the skins, cure them well and brush the outside with a light oil and they will be soft. Make cool garments and warrior like amends with the antlers and skins, and parade around at midnight by the Firestone grill. Properly cured quality skins can feestch upwards $500, but you will want to keep them, after the work it takes to make them.
 More practical applications are free food, fun side project: no more deer. Make scarecrows out of deer body parts, and perform a magic circle around your garden, honoring the spirit of the deer, but also as a ward to keep them away. Take and give, give back to nature what you take in the life of an old and long lived deer.
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5446664 - 03/27/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thats some idea flowy, although I must say Im not one for picking up a gun, let alone shooting an animal. I think I can manage to co-exist with these ones.
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Use the skins, cure them well and brush the outside with a light oil and they will be soft. Make cool garments and warrior like amends with the antlers and skins, and parade around at midnight by the Firestone grill.

23 tomatoes have sprouted now
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5468600 - 04/01/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whats up all, I havent updated for a while. Im just about over being sick, so I will be able to finally get out and do some diggin in my garden. I had all 25 tomatoes pop not to mention 4 thai basil and about 10 regular basil. I have most of my little ones in the greenhouse now. I lost a pepper and one basil to the cold, but the rest look great. I noticed today that my recently planted peppers have begun to sprout. I have been doing alot of work around the house lately, strippin the patio and sanding it down, its gonna look great. My backyard veggie garden is coming together although not in place yet, I have tons of 2x4's. But I have to keep this short as I need to get back to work. FLowy how are things in your garden treating you? Keep me updated. Bye for now
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5468721 - 04/01/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Got any pics?? Sounds like your doing good!
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Stonerguy]
#5476055 - 04/03/06 06:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pics to come, I need to charge my batteries.
I am feeling good enough now to get some real work done on the garden. I went up today and turned over about half of the garden, the soil is nice and soft now. I have two days coming up so I am going to get it all done then. I found some scrap lumber alongside the road near my place that I am going to grab for the fence. Bye for now
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5480099 - 04/04/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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want some help?
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Mitchnast]
#5480160 - 04/04/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey bro, we have been playing phone tag these past few days, but hell yes I'd love some help. I have Weds and Thursday off and planned on digging in the garden for most of Wed. I will give you a call, we still need to go for a hike and get some exploring done. Talk to ya soon.
PS I planted a shitload more seeds today, some poppies, ground cherries, more peppers and tomatoes, basil and tobacco 
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5480343 - 04/04/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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most of my poppy seeds are back in NS, but i have a packet here plus theres always bulk barn. you know, the soil type here is perfect. poppies should pretty much infest just about any slope since its all dry loose chalky sand.
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Mitchnast]
#5480389 - 04/04/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lucky! I have to pretty much replace the soil entirely because my soil is pure clay, so even if I mix it with regular soil, when the clay that is there expands and contracts it will destroy the root system
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: whatever123]
#5485253 - 04/06/06 12:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Full on day happend today, Mitch came over and we went hog wild with the poppies. We started three nice sized little patches and not to mention the many random sites we chose during our trek. We still have a whole shit load of seeds left to plant.
After some gardening, we decided to go for a hike to find some critters. After a bunch of running around and lifting many rocks and logs we ended up finding 9 Long-Toed Salamanders and 1 Pacific Tree Frog. Mitch was pretty stoked on the frog as he had never had one before, a nice new specimen for his collection. We plan on keeping them at my place for a little while until he gets settled in, my old man has a 30 gallon tank that I am going to setup for them.
I have another day off tomorrow so I plan on turning the rest of my garden and maybe starting a couple more poppy patches 
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5487254 - 04/06/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ill see if I can borrow my mother in-laws grub-hoe for the next time I come up.
realistically, we could just tear strips out of the hill with the grubhoe. one person to grub down hill, and the other to sprinkle seeds. If that works then its an entire mountainside of poppies.
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Mitchnast]
#5487335 - 04/06/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sounds like a hell of a plan to me bro, maybe this weekend or something
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5500032 - 04/10/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5505056 - 04/11/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whats up everyone, been kinda lazy with the updates lately. Things are going real well now, tons of little seedlings chillin in my southern window. New Yorker tomatoes, cayenne, tepin, hungarian yellow and habanero peppers, pepperocini, basil and thai basil, poppies, morning glory (flying saucers), ground cherry, cherry tomatoes and tomatillos, tobacco(rustica), some unkown hot peppers and cannabis clones, seedlings and some larger plants. Things are looking dammnn good at my house.
Ive got the next two days off so I will be tilling the garden and working on the fence.
Flowstone, where ya at, how is your gardening treating you, give us an update. My bro and I went to the hydro store today to look at compat flos and ended up chatting with the owner for 2 hours . He is such a nice guy, I bought another dome and some starter trays for some coffe seeds and I havent decided what else I should try, anyone have any suggestions?
Anyway I will take some pics when I get home from work and post them up, bye for now.

PS: Check out my brothers grow journal at grasscity, hes doing a damn good job on em, give him some feedback.
Edit: Also forgot I planted some Zebra tomatoes and Pear tomatoes
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5509937 - 04/12/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey bro, work is my life. FOr just that short two weeks I had a bit of time off, and got most of my garden stuff done. RIght now, and am sitting back, watching it grow. It's growing so fast, and I don't do much work on it. I really want to, trust me. I wish I did not have to work, and still have money :0 Detailed update to come. BUMP
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5510915 - 04/13/06 01:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey man, long time no see, good to hear that your garden is doing well.
I went to my grandma's today to borrow her roto-tiller and she ended up giving it to me. I just have to mow her lawn and pull some weeds, sweet deal if you ask me.
It's one of those lightweight ones, so its no problem to just carry it up the hill, although I need to stop once to catch my breath. I got almost the entire garden tilled today, it felt good, its starting to look like something.
Im thinking tomorrow I will finish off the tilling and see if my buddy will give me a hand with his truck to grab my free lumber. Might even start to work on the fence.
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5525236 - 04/17/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bumpity bump!
Hey all, the garden is now completely tilled, it looks amazing, like a real garden now. I have some tomatillo seeds that finally germinated, they must have been old because I only got about 4 to sprout, ah well better than none. My yellow pear tomatoes all came up on the same day and look identical .
Total seedling/plant count as of today. Hot peppers(5 varieties)- 54 Tomatoes(4 varieties)- 55 Tobacco(rustica)- 24 Tobacco(hybrids)- 6 so far, just planted them Basil(regular and thai)- 24 Ground Cherries- 6 Marijawanna- 1 large indica, 30 clones, 4 AK48 seedlings, 6 flowering females ..and a partridge in a pear tree.
I went up the road today and snagged some of my free fencing materials, got about 20 nice 8 foot planks, pulled all the nails and got them in the sun to dry out a bit. Im dreading the thought of having to carry them up the hill soon.
I really need to find my charger to take some pictures of the garden now, it really looks great, I was even able to level it out a tad bit with the tiller. Anyway thats about it for now, pictures to come 
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5526301 - 04/17/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey bro, I got promoted to general manager(last week), and since then(actually, weeks before then, while I was busting ass to prove myself), my garden life became almost zip.
A few updates, today I realized I had about 100 volunteer echinecha plants, that I was unable to identify when they were so little. I was really excited to see some third generation seedlings.
Also, check out my poppy thread, I have some poppies in full out flower.
In other news, my snow peas are three feet tall, and covered in pretty white blossoms. I love snow peas, I will have a ton of fresh peas within two weeks.
Other news let's see: I've been harvesting fresh mescline lettuce for weeks. Fresh salad, every day, whenever I want 
My rustica died back, but it ALL CAME BACK. That's right, I thought it all died, but the roots survived, and they came back two times stronger.
My poppies are growing fast, and all my others herbs are too. I wish I could post a pic. I will soon.
You better KNOW that I will have some pics of my poppies, imagine five inch tall plants, with flowers...haha.
Glad to hear you're still hanging in, I planted a few tomatoes, but I bought them from the store. I want to garden more, I want to garden ALL DAMN DAY.
Cya around bro
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5526994 - 04/17/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry the first post was so scattered. Silly me, plants have an internal clock, that apparently can't be controlled by sunlight alone( when regarding poppies). Hanky told me poppies flower after 100 days, no matter what. Which makes perfect sense because I planted them in December. It's awesome
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In summary of the above allusion statements, nature rocks. Synergy anyone? One plus Nature= THREE UP Turns out things came alive, even when I left them to die.
It applies to my life greatly, even when I leave myself to die, somethings till holds my head high, I wonder why, and I keep praying for rain, and sometimes when it comes wondering why. Look what nature took from me, and gave me.
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerr]
#5531347 - 04/18/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It turns out hundreds of my poppies are blooming, apparently they can flower with plants as small as 3 inches tall with 4 nodes. One flower per plant it's a beautiful thing, for now it's a learning experience. In other news I've discovered oral quid in very monitored doses for a s hort period of time is an effective alternative to the smoking crave. It can be really toxic( deadly to be exact) if OD'ed Bus my rustica plants are booming. Three of my peppers survived. At every node, where two leaves grew, four leaves are coming out, darker and stronger than ever. My spinach fucking sucks! JK, it's awesome, poor stuff, Popeye would be mad at me. Turns out companion planting I did the exact opposite of everything I should have. Companion planting is truly a great skill to use, I need to study more. It's hard when you try to grow 30+ specimens in aconcentrated space. More peppers to come, I dosed up yesterday with a jalapeno Tabasco chicken and tomato melt with a slice of bacon
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Re: Ryan's Ethnobotanical garden :) [Re: Kerbouchard]
#5532072 - 04/19/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey bro, glad to hear your plants survived. I got out in the yard today and did a bit of cleaning up in one of the planters. Pulled some weeds, added some promix and peat moss, then sprinkled some sunflower, poppy and tobacco seeds around. Also planted some random bulbs that my mom gave me to go along with some of the ones that were already in there. I have a shit load more sunflower seeds, so I am going to go buckwild with them around the house, they are so nice to look at and you dint have to worry about them.
How tall are your tobacco, how many sets of leaves. My furthest one along has the 3 set out and is pushing out the 4th, getting quite big and growing more everyday.
The poppy plots that Mitch and I started have not yet had any action besides the deer tromping right through them. I planted about 30 seedlings up there a couple days ago, I couldn't even find one  Ah well, like you said its all a learning experience.
We have some rooted cannabis clones now, maybe a 2/3 of the total taken have rooted so far, in a couple days I will give them a little shot of root stimulator.
I gave some of the stimulator to my New Yorker tomatoes and in a couple day they were pumping out nice white, thick roots from the peat pucks, I need to get them into pots.
Planted the 4 AK48's that sprouted, the Durban's have yet to show any since, I'm thinking they may have been old or no good, we did find 2 broken seeds in the bag. I think they were freebies with Nirvana orders anyhow. The AK's stretched a bit, but I got them buried a little deeper in the pots to compensate.
Our large indica female has been vegging out for a long time now, she evens get to go outside on the nice days, like today I put her inside the little pvc greenhouse. We have been training the shit out of her, its gonna be a freak of a plant when its all said and done.
Well thats about all I can think of for now, I might get ambitious tomorrow and haul my fence posts up the hill But I dint know yet 
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Re: Ryan's ethnobotanical kindergarten :) [Re: Kerr]
#5533022 - 04/19/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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dont worry bout the poppies, its only rained a few times, they have lots of time. youll see them pretty soon now.
I remember waiting for sprouts last year, wondering if they would ever come up. remember, we did disturb them into the ground, that makes them take a wee bit longer, but they come up better and less get eaten by ants.
now you see what i meant when i told you the peat pucks probably wouldnt work. the transplant just kills them
Edited by Mitchnast (04/20/06 12:23 PM)
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Kerr
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Re: Ryan's pooper gowging :) [Re: Mitchnast]
#5537175 - 04/20/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bump for 4/20!
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Kerr
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Re: Ryan's pooper gowging :) [Re: Kerr]
#5715005 - 06/05/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hello everyone, it had been quite a long time since I updated.
Things in my garden are going nicely, my fence is 2/3 the way up and I have dug at least half the planting holes. This weekend I was thinking of making the big step and sticking them in the ground. We have been getting a couple nights of cold weather still so I have been hesitant. I was at my grandmas place yesterday and cleaned out her shed. I got a few more hoes, shovels, a scythe, a nice sized pump sprayer, some bone meal and sevin, plastic pots a weed puller. Her neighbors garden is looking amazing, he has done them for the past couple years and I cant believe how large his tomatoes are now. I'm soo jealous, but they are further south and at a lower elevation, so he got them out nice and early. My plant count is still about the same, I gave a couple tomatoes and basil to my parents. Mitch gave me a beauty of a Salvia cutting for my birthday, not to mention ~5 grams of some handpicked Pan Subs 
I received my package from the Free Ethno Seed thread the other day, some Mimosa Hostilis, poppies and some Chinese lantern. Mitch and I are going to try and get something to happen with the MS, anyone have any suggestions.
Our first crop of herb finished quite nicely and we now have 25 plants in the back greenhouse awaiting their day to be planted in the ground. From small clones to a very very large mother Indica, it is gonna be a nice season 
I just thought I would take a bit of time and update you all, I really need to get some pictures taken of the garden, it looks simply amazing.
Anyway, thats all for now, enjoy your day 
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Re: Ryan's pooper gowging :) [Re: Kerr]
#5715873 - 06/05/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kerr
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Right back at ya ShroomDr 
My bro and I went for a little bomb in his new truck last night and found an access road at the top of the property. So we are heading out today to get the rest of my fence wood and then driving it up, its going to be a hell of alot easier than hauling them up the hill. My camera is charged so I will get some pictures for you all to gander at 
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