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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: pioneering_south]
    #5372012 - 03/06/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That is a good idea with the tarps, I will go and scope out a decent site for it. I dont want things to stick out to much though, I will be planting other such crops in the same area.

I went up this morning to remove some vegetation, since I removed most of it yesterday the soil has had some direct sun and was nice and soft. The patch is nice and dark black, I did a soil test and came to the conclusion that it was sandly/clay mixture, it leaves a stain on my hand but is kind of gritty.
I am trying to figure out how much soil and amendments I am going to have to pack in.
I found 4 more pots to start some seeds in, also I was in the gardening mood, so I planted a shit load of Tobacco (.rustica and .tabacum), some basil and some tomatillos.
Anyway back to work for me, and not the fun kind :peace:


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
    #5372420 - 03/06/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sweet!
I have about thirty five Rustica plants.. Started indoors two months ago.. They do really well once you move them from flouros into a well lighted window box. I was just thinking about how now is a good time to plant some poppies. Which are very hard to grow indoors, btw.
Also, I am worried cause my morning glories keep flowering, .. I need them to survive the year. Plus I lost all my wormwood and yopo plants :frown:

I have sage, morning glory, san pedro, annise hyyssop, cayenne pepper, basil, spinach, garlic, onions, rosemarry, elf tomatoes, mint/peppermint, daffodils, iris, day lillies,  echinecha, nicotine rustica, chamomile, california poppy, lavender, snow pea, and last but not least, mescaline lettuce mix ( 4 varriety) activly in growth.
It's a lot of plants, and they all like a lot of things.. but I think my garden is pretty easy.
My suggestions: read, study, think before you do. Handle with care, love your plants, feed them give them light, etcc
I have an awesome book on organic gardening with an index of plant types and techniques. It's priceless


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: pioneering_south]
    #5372500 - 03/06/06 09:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, you have quite the garden, sorry to hear about your loses though. How hard is it to grow yopo's, I got a few seeds a couple years back as a little bonus from a ethno. comany. I decided to smoke them instead of growing, but I did read that they are legumes correct?
Do they need some type of nitrogen fixation like regular peas and company do?

Anyway I do have some more seeds that I didnt have time to start today, some cherry tomatoes, strawberry spinach, morning glory, peas and some afalfa.
I bought this little started kit for growing alfalfa sprouts, I did one little crop and it turned out good, but I lost the mesh. I was wondering if there is any chance to just grow them decently in the ground instead, I have a good sized bag of seeds left. I wondering if maybe the deer will eat those instead of my gardens :grin:

p_s, thanks for all your input with this endevour, your posts are kind, heartfelt and always helpful :heart:


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
    #5372703 - 03/06/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would really get a pump for the water, maybe even a solar panel for power.
Pump water up to the growsite into a small, 80-100 gallon water tank. Make sure the tank is at the highest point so gravity is on your side.
You also might want to rent or invest in a tiller of some sort. Remember - Always use the right tool for the job.
:sunny: :peace:

edit:
Just read p_s' post, and I totally agree with him.

Quote:

pioneering_south said:
My suggestions: read, study, think before you do. Handle with care, love your plants, feed them give them light, etcc
I have an awesome book on organic gardening with an index of plant types and techniques. It's priceless



I also have an organic gardening book and its my bible. I don't refer to it anymore because I know it front to back.
But without it I wouldn't be where I am now.
I have currently on a quarter acre
watermelon, squash, lettuce, sweet basil, parsely, cilantro, carrots, snap pea, jalapeno, 2 varieties of tomato, beets, radish, cabbage, leeks, onion, chives, garlic, lemons, orange, pomegranate, peach, apple, apricot, nasturtium, hollyhock, cosmos, red flax, sunflower, poppies, somniferum, penstemons, bachelor buttons, day lilies, canna, datura, wormwood, and a variety of cactus and succulents. I'm really running out of space and thats all I can remember off my head! I also own 42 acres of land thats not developed at all. I need a well first...

Its alot of hard work but it was worth every drop of sweat. I wish you the best of luck :smile:


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
    #5372708 - 03/06/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

We learn, so we pass it on.. I've learned a lot here, so the helpful and heartfelt goes both ways :bongload:

Now onto Yopo, darn hard if you ask me. I even used the pea inoculate tek where you clip the seedlings for nitrogen. They need very specific watering and humidity specifications at a young age, which I was unable to provide. Yopo seed rarely stay viable beyond the first 4 months... they loose viability much faster than other seeds. You need fresh seeds, and perfect soil conditions to sprout them. My success was 3 sprouts, 10 seeds planted. Of those 3 sprouts, all died.
I was like WTF. But do a search for growing yopo. Now that I learned my mistake all I need is some more fresh seeds and I will grow more.

I want to look into alfalfa and wheat grass, as healthy vegetable juicing opportunities. You could grow wheat grass, and then milk the juice, then sell it in your tinctures. It's amazing healthy.
I made a tincture of fresh echinecha cayenne peppers and chamomile last summer. This year I have tons more home remedies and recipes and extractions planned ...

One sec, lemme eat some hot sauce. My sauce is hot and my bread was spicier with the cayenne ham. ENDORPHINS!! hahaha

:sun: :sunny: :psychsplit: :fireworship: :bananahorsey:

The key to a more profitable endeavor is small gardens, with lots of variety, that way your product range is wide and more likely to sell.
I have tons of seeds, if you would be interested in trading maybe... I can think of a few seeds I may need that you've mentioned. just drop me a line if you're interested.


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Psilopleix]
    #5373722 - 03/07/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Psilopleix said:
I would really get a pump for the water, maybe even a solar panel for power.
Pump water up to the growsite into a small, 80-100 gallon water tank. Make sure the tank is at the highest point so gravity is on your side.
You also might want to rent or invest in a tiller of some sort. Remember - Always use the right tool for the job.
:sunny: :peace:

edit:
Just read p_s' post, and I totally agree with him.

Quote:

pioneering_south said:
My suggestions: read, study, think before you do. Handle with care, love your plants, feed them give them light, etcc
I have an awesome book on organic gardening with an index of plant types and techniques. It's priceless



I also have an organic gardening book and its my bible. I don't refer to it anymore because I know it front to back.
But without it I wouldn't be where I am now.
I have currently on a quarter acre
watermelon, squash, lettuce, sweet basil, parsely, cilantro, carrots, snap pea, jalapeno, 2 varieties of tomato, beets, radish, cabbage, leeks, onion, chives, garlic, lemons, orange, pomegranate, peach, apple, apricot, nasturtium, hollyhock, cosmos, red flax, sunflower, poppies, somniferum, penstemons, bachelor buttons, day lilies, canna, datura, wormwood, and a variety of cactus and succulents. I'm really running out of space and thats all I can remember off my head! I also own 42 acres of land thats not developed at all. I need a well first...

Its alot of hard work but it was worth every drop of sweat. I wish you the best of luck :smile:




Thanks Psilo, lots of great advice, you have quite the garden setup there aswell. I do infact have a small pump to go along with the water barrels, I just need to find some new hardware for it, I hope it would be strong enough to pump the water up the hill.
I will be tilling asap, my grandmother has a small but adequate rototiller that I will use.

I think you two are right, I need to grow something else, I had thoughts on Ashwagandha but I think it might be too late now to start and order seeds.
A couple years back I had the idea to grow Tobacco, harvest the leaves and then sell those ass a pesticide spray. Im wondering if there is any market for that, or maybe even do a tobacco/chrysanthemum daisy mixture. Im not too sure, any suggestions.
I would be more than happy to trade seeds with anyone for nearly anything :grin:

I am thinking now that I am going to have a good amount of room in there so maybe some border plants of basil and other herbs that I could sell fresh at the market. I also need to find something that isnt too avaliable around here.
I myself dont have a good organic grow book, but the library here does, not to mention I have binder for gardening that is getting more full by the day with articles and essays.

Last night before bed, I had a talk with all my unsprouted babies, I told them that I loved them and wanted them to be the happiest plants they could be, I told them I will promise to take care of them if they take care of me and others :sun:

Quote:

We learn, so we pass it on.. I've learned a lot here, so the helpful and heartfelt goes both ways

Now onto Yopo, darn hard if you ask me. I even used the pea inoculate tek where you clip the seedlings for nitrogen. They need very specific watering and humidity specifications at a young age, which I was unable to provide. Yopo seed rarely stay viable beyond the first 4 months... they loose viability much faster than other seeds. You need fresh seeds, and perfect soil conditions to sprout them. My success was 3 sprouts, 10 seeds planted. Of those 3 sprouts, all died.
I was like WTF. But do a search for growing yopo. Now that I learned my mistake all I need is some more fresh seeds and I will grow more.

I want to look into alfalfa and wheat grass, as healthy vegetable juicing opportunities. You could grow wheat grass, and then milk the juice, then sell it in your tinctures. It's amazing healthy.
I made a tincture of fresh echinecha cayenne peppers and chamomile last summer. This year I have tons more home remedies and recipes and extractions planned ...

One sec, lemme eat some hot sauce. My sauce is hot and my bread was spicier with the cayenne ham. ENDORPHINS!! hahaha   

The key to a more profitable endeavor is small gardens, with lots of variety, that way your product range is wide and more likely to sell.
I have tons of seeds, if you would be interested in trading maybe... I can think of a few seeds I may need that you've mentioned. just drop me a line if you're interested.





Yopo does sound like a pain in the but. My smoked experience sounds about as fun as your growing experience :wtf: But anyhow thats not important.

I am also thinking about foraging for some Mullein and making insecticidal sprays with it, has anyone used it for white flies, I hear it works wonders. There is a ton and I mean a ton of it here, so it would be no problem gathering some up.
I have a market for my tomatilos if they start to go well, a friend of mine's family is mexican. I remember a couple years back when I told them that I was starting to grow them, she said that they would buy them in a hearbeat, I think she said they use them for a green salsa.
Anyway thanks for all the great ideas :heart: I will be thinking about my garden all day at work, the good thing is I get to read in between calls, so I have some grow mags sitting in front of me. A funny thing, one of the new Maximum yields has a great article on growing for profit :grin:

Well I am going to take some pictures of what I got done in the last couple days for you all, then I gotta head to the old workplace. I will keep you all updated. Bye for now

:peace:


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
    #5373798 - 03/07/06 10:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Some pictures :grin:

My pump and water barrels.




My Gandalf stick :smile:


Land getting cleared








The hill :smirk:


My babies :heart:


That's all folks

:peace:

Edit: Just thought about this, maybe I could even just make a reservoir halfway up the hill if the pump wont make it all the way. At least this way I wont have to lug the water so far, just a thought. Anyway gotta go to work.
Also in that Maximum yield, there is an article on growing plants for the essential oils, woot, got me some good reading for work :sun:
:peace:


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Edited by RyanKerr (03/07/06 11:20 AM)


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
    #5374301 - 03/07/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

MOD EDIT: Ryan, you just happen to run into the one moderator who thinks Capsicum sp. is an ethnobotanical medicine as well as a psychoactive, since the local sensation produces release of pleasurable neuroactives. This thread can stay here if Neuro is OK with it too.


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Asante]
    #5374402 - 03/07/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

are you kidding wiccan? ofcoarse the thread can stay here, that's what this forum is for :thumbup:

quite a projet you have going on here ryan, keep us updated. may you eat hot dishes everyday after you harvest :grin:


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: stefan]
    #5374498 - 03/07/06 02:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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are you kidding wiccan? ofcoarse the thread can stay here, that's what this forum is for




Not quite: The Ethno Garden focuses on psychoactives while cultivation of foodplants belongs in Culinary Arts.

Peppers however are dominated by capsaicins which act on pain- and heat receptors and indirectly (but chemically) induce euphoria. This makes it a psychoactive.

I feel the focal point of this forum lies in ethnobotanic in the medicinal and/or psychoactive sense.

Ginseng and Mandrake yes, Carrots no :smile:

It's a good thread that holds great promise!


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Asante]
    #5374511 - 03/07/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

there you have a point, didn't think of culinary arts :thumbup:


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: stefan]
    #5374971 - 03/07/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hehe, whoops all I didnt even realize, I always just think of the ethno garden as a place to discuss growing anything, my bad.

I will be making both medicinal and culinary products out of the peppers, I would like the thread to stay here in the garden if thats okay, mods feel free to move if you so desire :sun:
Bye for now
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Psilopleix]
    #5375776 - 03/07/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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It's priceless




QUOTE
I also have an organic gardening book and its my bible. I don't refer to it anymore because I know it front to back.
But without it I wouldn't be where I am now.
I have currently on a quarter acre
watermelon, squash, lettuce, sweet basil, parsely, cilantro, carrots, snap pea, jalapeno, 2 varieties of tomato, beets, radish, cabbage, leeks, onion, chives, garlic, lemons, orange, pomegranate, peach, apple, apricot, nasturtium, hollyhock, cosmos, red flax, sunflower, poppies, somniferum, penstemons, bachelor buttons, day lilies, canna, datura, wormwood, and a variety of cactus and succulents. I'm really running out of space and thats all I can remember off my head! I also own 42 acres of land thats not developed at all. I need a well first...

Its alot of hard work but it was worth every drop of sweat. I wish you the best of luck :smile:




Dude, you're garden ROCKS!!! I really wish my wormwood was more viable(  australian ebayere sent me bunk seeds~!!)

I like that u have fruit trees. I forgot to mention I have a fig tree.
I am going to take 3 types  of cuttings very soon, one in a cup or water, one in the ground, one with air layering, and one with the stone pull down method(maybe).
Did you like the section in your organic gardening book about air layering? Have you ever air layered?
You've clearly studied more than me... my organic gardening book is still hours upon hundreds of hours of reading and practice.


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
    #5375973 - 03/07/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You talked to the plants? I do that too, heh.
Actually when I am splitting up plants for thinnings, I feel streessed sometimes like the plants, and when I give it my up most care and gentel touch of attention, my plants love me. I consider it training in advanced.
I wonder if you can mail live plants fast enough to survive. Has anyone ever ex press mailed live plants( not including cactus)
Cause if that can work, I have tons of stuff to trade, some perfect sized nicotine rustica came to mind.

As far as a market for the stuff: who knows... All I know is more products = more possibility for money.
Considering growing a few tobacco plants is pretty cheap, go for it.
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: pioneering_south]
    #5376108 - 03/07/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

when i was a kid i had a neighbor who used to tell me that a certain plant nearby was actually big brested women with an evil spell put on them and if you sat in the plant it would crawl into your pants and have its way with you, and if you did it evry day the women would turn back to women and have sex with you all the time.

i was 6 and he was 8.  i beleived evry word. :smile: but sadly, the plants just wouldnt crawl into my pants....


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5376137 - 03/07/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If you're trying to say that you can't have sex with a plant, you're wrong
:rofl:

Good night :peace: :psychsplit:


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: pioneering_south]
    #5377470 - 03/08/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I talk to the plants, everyday right now, I really want to make sure things come up.

Poor Mitch, well at least now you can satisfy your urges with by growing some beautiful ladies in the garden.

So here is a little update on what I have chosen to do.
Peppers - tinctures, ointments.
Tobacco - sprays
Mullein - sprays and medicinal teas and poultices, smoked for respiratory conditions.
Tomatillos - sell as fruit
Pillows - I was thinking of making some dream pillows with some mugwort. Anyone happen to have any seeds?


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
    #5377776 - 03/08/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Here are some $$ ideas

Pepper mace spray
Grow some mints and easy herbs, and bag your own teas to sell
Make tinctures, with vodka or everclear with your extractions, they last longer( most herbal water based extractions loose properties after one year... suspended in alcohol I heard they last two, even three years)

If you plan to use the spot for a long time, get at least one or two fruit trees/plants. They take a long time to produce massive ammounts, but once you have a large fruit tree, or blueberry bush( or many), you are set.


Peppers are also a natural pesticide, I would come up with a tobacco, pepper, and maybe other ingredient natural pesticide, and test it out first to see if it works.

Flowers: not sure if you've considered growing flowers, but cut flowers like zinias and poppies and lillies and roses have a high market value.... Plus, once you plant bulbous flowers they come back every year, and can be split up for hundreds more plants.


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: pioneering_south]
    #5378906 - 03/08/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks p_s, those are some great ideas. I did consider the peppers for a spray as well. I will be using alcohol for the extractions.
I also thought of doing basil and selling it fresh. I have a friend who is a sales rep for Neptune foods and I am sure he can get rid of it for me.

I am planning on using this site for a while, after all I am putting all I have into it. A couple fruit tress would be great and eventually could be good for shade. I previously worked in the pest control field, so I was thinking that maybe peaches grafted to apricot base for resistance to borer and maybe plums or some apricots. Who knows, just not cherries or apples, anything that needs to be sprayed
My whole yard is getting a complete treatment this year form my old company, dormant oil and then some cover sprays with soap :grin:
Anyhow Im back to work, bye for now

:peace:


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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
    #5381347 - 03/09/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have an idea about Tobacco: To obtain a tobacco license is out of the question for the small grower... Thus, if you grow nicotine or other tobacco plants, small self rolled, and blended, organic tobacco can be sold for good profit.. These types of items would be perfect for shows or gatherings with lots of people. The only catch is: know your buyer.. technically you are committing a trade violation by selling unlicensed tobacco.

Wormwood and annise: me personally was trying to grow my own wormwood artesium and aniise hyysop to make bootleg Absinthee( to drink, or even better yet sell to( and share with) close friends)
Unfortunately I did not succeed growing wormwood( the main ingredient) but I have a TON of annise hyysop...At least 20 live plants. 8"-1' tall with 3-4 nodes.


Another idea is a mass grow of garlic. Garlic is like 50cents for a clove at the store, and each clove has ten nodes... I bought 4 of them and have 40 garlic plants already growing, which will each in turn, become 10 fold, making my garlic garden 400 plants next year..
All for the grand price of $2.
Pure garlic pills sell as supplements, and also as insect repellent pills! This just dawned on me... Defiantly grow garlic. It takes up very little space, too.


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