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Kerr
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Your right about tilling, I need the soil to get soft. I have to start my seeds today too, we have been so busy moving that I havent hda the time to get things done. I bought a bail of promix yesterday from the hydro shop. I started to talk to her about organic moisture conservation, she recommended coconut coir. She even gave me a large chunk of it to try out, and along with that a two part nutrient solution used in coco mediums. Then I asked her about what she usese for foliars, so she reached under the counter and grabbed two little bottles of Supernatural Greenstay. She then proceeded to grab me a bottle of Bio-Grow nutrient additive and BN NovaRoots, an organic root stimulator. My mind was blown, so many goodies for free, I paid 25$ for the bail of promix(which by the way now has beneficial mychorriza) and the rest was mine to try out and just give her feedback on. What a deal, so I am going to be doing some experimental plants in pots in the yard to test these products out. Anyway Im off to see if I can find some starting pots
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5368347 - 03/05/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well after a long day of working, I think I am getting some real progress with this garden. A friend came up and helped me move more logs for the wall. The soil is thawing out quite nicely and I was able to rake and dig some of the grasses out. There is now a definite plot there. My batteries were dead so I couldnt take any pics, but I will go up tomorrow before work and get some. I was able to find some small pots to start my seeds in, so there are 15 little seedlings on the way. I will have to head to wally world and get some starting trays with a dome. I am using an old heater as some bottom heat to help keep temp and humidity up. More pics to come..

Edit: Here's a question, I want to use manures and compost for fertilizing, what is everyone's favorite? How do I know how much to add and is using two kinds going overboard. I was thinking of using chicken or rabbit and then adding some worm casting for some micronutes and overall soil improvment. Heres an idea, does anyone have a complete soil setup they use that is all organic for outdoor gardens?
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Edited by RyanKerr (03/05/06 09:17 PM)
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5368796 - 03/05/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ya dude. Manure rocks for composts.
By the way, stay motivated, this is great for you!
here is the deal, you need a truck and to know where the local horse farms are. You go, shovel truckbed, and then take to your plot... cover the ground with a layer of composts( horse manure and whatever else you can bring by the truckload) and then till it in.
It would be wise to add the compost before tilling. Because if you add it after, unless you are using aged compost, the manure takes time to directly be able to support plant life, but in the mix it's great.
By thew way what state are you in? The added benefit is you might even be adding local pan subbs into your plot. Around my place, the horse manure is everywhere, and free, I know at least 4 horse farmers, it's going to be very valuable pretty soon.
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5368809 - 03/05/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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" complete soil setup" would vary from plant to plant... some plants will love certain things, others will die. Depending on how many types of plants you are growing there is no 'magic formula'. But in general, manure and leaves and organic compost is a great thing to spread over the soil, and then till in at about 6-12 inches deep. Then, you can add specific amounts of PH adjusting things such as lime... but you need to read up on what PH level your plants will like.
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Kerr
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Any idea how long the manure will have to sit before I can plant. I had thought about this before but worried that I would run out of time. One problem is that my plot is not accesible by vehicle so everything needs to be brought in on my back . I suppose that I could just bag up the fresh shit and carry it up. I am going to get my grandmothers roto-tiller and go to town with that when the soil is good and soft
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5368834 - 03/05/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Freshly tilled soil very much likes a few good rains, to balance out things.. So soon as the soil is thawed enough to till, have the stuff already on the ground, and then till it in, allowing it time to sit. Weeds( wild grasses) are going to be a potential big problem. You can buy cheap black tarp and lay it over the land after a good rain and all roots or seed sprouts will die, adding even more composts, and an invader free soil for the entire year. Save a ton of weed pulling later on.
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5368842 - 03/05/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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RyanKerr said: Any idea how long the manure will have to sit before I can plant. I had thought about this before but worried that I would run out of time. One problem is that my plot is not accessible by vehicle so everything needs to be brought in on my back . I suppose that I could just bag up the fresh shit and carry it up. I am going to get my grandmothers roto-tiller and go to town with that when the soil is good and soft
I see.. plants will grow from the soil there, sure. But get all you can done. It's too bad it's not accessible by truck. Wait, just got offroading man. It will help you a lot, if you plan to have a big healthy garden. Find a friend who likes to drive up the hilly plains  But if it's too rocky, or dangerous to drive, then backpacking manure or organic compounds becomes futile and your only choice is to just use organic fertilizers or PH adjusters( which will be fine)
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pioneering_south said: " complete soil setup" would vary from plant to plant... some plants will love certain things, others will die. Depending on how many types of plants you are growing there is no 'magic formula'. But in general, manure and leaves and organic compost is a great thing to spread over the soil, and then till in at about 6-12 inches deep. Then, you can add specific amounts of PH adjusting things such as lime... but you need to read up on what PH level your plants will like.
Yeah I suppose you are right that there is no complete setup. I am only growing one type of crop in here, the peppers, but I will be companion planting with marigolds and nasturtiums. Ph is supposed to be around 6-6.8.
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pioneering_south said: Freshly tilled soil very much likes a few good rains, to balance out things.. So soon as the soil is thawed enough to till, have the stuff already on the ground, and then till it in, allowing it time to sit. Weeds( wild grasses) are going to be a potential big problem. You can buy cheap black tarp and lay it over the land after a good rain and all roots or seed sprouts will die, adding even more composts, and an invader free soil for the entire year. Save a ton of weed pulling later on.
Thanks alot
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"Any idea how long the manure will have to sit before I can plant."
right from the horses ass it can support mushroom mycelia in about a month, and plant life at average I would say a 2 years, to grow directly from manure itself. BUT if you till it in with soil, even fresh from the ass manure is benificial that year for your plants.
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Kerr
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pioneering_south said: I see.. plants will grow from the soil there, sure. But get all you can done. It's too bad it's not accessible by truck. Wait, just got offroading man. It will help you a lot, if you plan to have a big healthy garden. Find a friend who likes to drive up the hilly plains  But if it's too rocky, or dangerous to drive, then backpacking manure or organic compounds becomes futile and your only choice is to just use organic fertilizers or PH adjusters( which will be fine)
I would try and drive in, but really there is no road to get to the top, its no big deal. I have packed materials in before and besides this is in my backyard, its not really that far. I was planning on cutting steps up to my path, make things a little easier. I thought about using just liquid fertilizers but the cost issue seemed to steer me out of that direction. Its a large plot so I think I will stick to the bulk materials. I'll save the good expensive grow stuff for my other plants
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5368879 - 03/05/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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For sure! But low weight fertilizers don't have to be expensive... Have you read up on if lime is helpful for peppers? If so it's dirt cheap, along with tons of other stuff..
You can buy stuff at the local hardware store that will dissolve in the rain, and non toxicly make the soil softer and easy to absorb water and till.
I'm pretty sure an application of 12-16-12( or whatever peppers like) fertilizer would be cheap enough to consider doing.
Just how many plants do you want to have? Do you have a market to export to already set up?
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5368886 - 03/05/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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oops, lemme go back and read the first post again. I've already forgotten how big your plan is... Then maybe I can help
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Sounds great.. I really like the idea of a rain well gravity drip system.. It's a really great idea( maybe expensive?) You say rain and water retention is a problem, but flooding and runoff could be a major issue. As always we can pray to the sun and rain spirits, and they will act however they really feel like... but maybe your thoughts will help them take it easy on your specific plot  What sort of products will you be manufacturing? any copyrights that you plan on recording?
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5368938 - 03/05/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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RyanKerr said: Scoville units
That entire web page rocks. I never knew so much about peppers as I do now. You've motivated me to grow more than cayenne peppers! I also just put a ton of Tabasco on some pizza fuck yeah, endorphins
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Huuyub HUUYUB!!! 
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Wasabi - it'll burn you every time. One reader thought the green horseradish paste was guacamole. John Briggs of Oak Cliff mistook it for a "blob of ground green salad" and swallowed a big fat bite.
"I sneezed convulsively, bits of green flying from my nose. My lower partial jarred loose. My upper palate rose to meet my nares. I clutched for water, salt, 911 and an old family amulet - all to no avail."
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The place: a New York restaurant. The sauce: Dave's Insanity.
No mere hot sauce, it had been offered as a replacement for the pepper vinegar that Flower Mound resident Debbie Quinn liked on her collard greens. With just a "dot" of the sauce, her mouth began to melt down.
"I could feel the inferno roar past my tongue and up into my nose and out my ears. I turned to look at my watering-eyed friend who . . . was most impressed as he was almost literally on fire. If not for the sweating, we would have been consumed by flames."
But here's the spooky part: Later, the restaurant burned down.
"We suspect it was the sauce," she says.
check out the others...
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had to psot one more, this is hillarious... poor guy 
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After five weeks in Korea, Rajiv Roy of Plano took a two-hour train trip to Seoul for a taste of home - Pizza Hut. On the menu was a "Three Pepper Pizza" that sounded "intriguing."
Surprise!
"It was as if someone had grabbed a hold of my tongue with spiked gloves, pulled it out of my face and lay it flat on the table, then methodically proceeded to make tiny slits with an X-Acto knife, pour salt in the wounds and dance on my tongue with hob-nailed boots. They then rolled it back up and put it back in my face and clamped down on my head and up below my chin so that I would not scream."
The Pizza Hut crew took pity on him and splashed pitchers of iced tea in his face.
check out the rest here http://www.exit109.com/%7emstevens/dallas_hot.html
good night, and now back to how to actually GROW these wonderful and wide ranged things
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Kerr
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Oh yeah I hear ya, I just meant the bottle of organic shit that I buy at the hydro store will be used on my other plants 
Lime is definetly something a pepper can do with, I was also thinking maybe some bone meal. Im not so sure yet, I still have some time to decide. The amounts of plants is not yet known, I need to go out and measure the garden and figure that out, but if I was to estimate at a rate of 1-1/2" between plants, I would say in the neighborhood of around 80-100 plants. I have no market to export to at this time. I have decided over anything that I will be making purely tinctures with my crop. I dont want to try and compete with any of the large farms in the area, they can out produce me with no problem. A friend and I are setting up a stand at the local farmers market to sell our wares, he has some art and I will sell my medicine.
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5369048 - 03/05/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Haha, those are all great, I really love that site too. Here is something I found on erowid and posted in the Pub a while back. http://www.erowid.org/plants/capsicum/capsicum_article1.shtml
When I was planting my seeds today I decided to eat a bit of the pepper that I took them from. At first I took a tiny piece, crunched it up and felt a little tingle and a nice flavor. I then got a slightly larger piece and tossed it back, as soon as it broke, I felt a surge of electricity run to my tounge. My nose started to run and I had to hold my tounge outside of my mouth like a panting dog. The heat lasted for about 5 minutes or so. I am such a wimp when it comes to hot things, I really want to try surfing the burn, I just dont know if I can handle it
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Kerr
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pioneering_south said: Sounds great.. I really like the idea of a rain well gravity drip system.. It's a really great idea( maybe expensive?) You say rain and water retention is a problem, but flooding and runoff could be a major issue. As always we can pray to the sun and rain spirits, and they will act however they really feel like... but maybe your thoughts will help them take it easy on your specific plot  What sort of products will you be manufacturing? any copyrights that you plan on recording?
I dont think it will be too expensive, I will need to buy some large rubbermaid bins, some pvc pipe, hardware and some drip hose. My brother is in landscaping, so I can get the irrigation materials cheap. The rain barrels will stay at the house, I will have to pack that water up 
Im not too worried about flooding but runoff could be a problem with the angle of the slope, but I am working at getting it as flat as I can. If anything I might make raised beds in order to compensate.
I will pray for the rain, I love it when it does rain here, I know we need it. People who live in the city get water rations every summer because we dont get a good supply built in the winter. The summer is hot shit, temps up to 40C sometimes . Its dry air and it blows all the time, we live in a valley and have two lakes on either side. I love it here except for the lack of water, people have now gone to xeriscape gardening, which is a completely dry land, low water consumption type of landscaping. My plot will be the only green thing on the side of the hill 
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Re: Ryan's Pepper garden [Re: Kerr]
#5369113 - 03/05/06 11:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I will read this tomorrow, but one more thing I thought of before going to bed... why not rig up some tarps and rain collecting systems on top of the hill, that would cut out a ton of work. If that is out of the question, think about getting a truck or off road four wheeler to do some of the heavy moving work
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