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Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency?
    #5352963 - 03/01/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, ?

Is Hillary next? The way Old Bush and Bubba are getting friendly, perhaps they are plotting a way to keep control in their families for another 4+ years.

Do you think the combined power of these two men could pull off such a task?

Do you think they're trying?

Is Bill Clinton the devil?


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: daimyo]
    #5353317 - 03/01/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hillary scares the fuck out of me, but i just don't see her winning.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5353333 - 03/01/06 12:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

As much as I believe the general population would never elect her, there's a part of me that knows the elections no longer mean anything. Whoever the insiders want, they will get.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: daimyo]
    #5353397 - 03/01/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think so, but who knows? They've had a long enough time in office to plan it.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: daimyo]
    #5353418 - 03/01/06 12:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The conspiracy you speak of is better known as the two-party system.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5353433 - 03/01/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

:thumbup:

Proportional elections 2008! :wink:


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5353444 - 03/01/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That certainly is the base. I'm just going a step further and taking it to the two-family(one?) system.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: daimyo]
    #5353463 - 03/01/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hillary won't win.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5353471 - 03/01/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Not legitimately anyhow.

You don't think there's a chance she'll be installed like Bush?


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: daimyo]
    #5353524 - 03/01/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I know what you're getting at. Whenever I see Bill in the media, it is always mentioned in a joking manner that Hillary is thinking about running for office. The last time I recall this happening was at Coretta King's funeral. I feel like we're already being conditioned to accept her as a candidate for the next election. On top of that, the perfect way to get this country to vote Democrat in 08 is to have the current Republican in office screw things up so bad the country will demand a "change". Bush's approval rating was at an all time low when I last checked (32% or something) so it seems to me like the plan is in full swing.

This two party system is a total sham.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: daimyo]
    #5354098 - 03/01/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency?



Didn't work the last time. Kerry lost.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5354120 - 03/01/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It sure did work. We just got Loser #2 instead of Loser #1.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5354313 - 03/01/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes we did. The lesser of two weasels.

But still the lesser evil.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5354378 - 03/01/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That's debatable, but I see your point.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5354381 - 03/01/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

how the hell is Kerry the lesser of two evils?

Bush avoided war, Kerry went to it.

I think even no matter how bad each candidate is... that gives Kerry more credibility.

plus Kerry supported DECRIMINLIZATION, Bush thinks mary-jane should be the nation's highest priority in the drug war.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: leery11]
    #5354384 - 03/01/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Whether or not they went to war has nothing to do with their ability to govern the country.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5354399 - 03/01/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

it has everything to do with their ability to think that they should have the right to declare war in the first place, though.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: leery11]
    #5354405 - 03/01/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I am of the position that any candidate for President should have prior military experience.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: leery11]
    #5354413 - 03/01/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The President doesn't declare war, Congress does. Should every Congressman have to fight in a war to be able to vote for one?

FDR never fought in a war, but managed the country through WWII (at least part of it).


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5354419 - 03/01/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The President doesn't declare war, Congress does.



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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #5354422 - 03/01/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If McCain had been elected he would have been the best president in about 100 years.

I think the presidency itself needs to be stripped of power, about half of it.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5354463 - 03/01/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Not just the presidency, the whole Fuckeral government. Give it back to the states and municipalities.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: daimyo]
    #5354492 - 03/01/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: daimyo]
    #5354880 - 03/01/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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Not just the presidency, the whole Fuckeral government. Give it back to the states and municipalities.




And that will never happen.

I think McCain will run and win. I will go to war with that man anyday, anywhere, anytime, against anyone.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: daimyo]
    #5354889 - 03/01/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

daimyo said:
Not just the presidency, the whole Fuckeral government. Give it back to the states and municipalities.




I second this one.

It's nice to see a lot of agreement between the left and the right in this thread. I don't think Hillary stands a snoball's chance in hell to win, unless in reality presidents really are selected fraduelently. She could never pull off a succesfull campaign because she would always be on the defensive ropes.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: daimyo]
    #5356398 - 03/02/06 05:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Most state and local authority should be reduced and eliminated as well.


Did I mention that I was an anarchist?


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5356451 - 03/02/06 06:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

> If McCain had been elected

I have always liked McCain, but I wonder how stable he is. Of course, comparing to the previous two presidents, I suppose it really doesn't matter... Hmmm... McCain and Powell would be an interesting pairing.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: daimyo]
    #5356459 - 03/02/06 06:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i think mccain could win against anyone the democrats threw at him.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: daimyo]
    #5356468 - 03/02/06 06:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5356485 - 03/02/06 07:08 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

^^^^^ *cringe*


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: TheDude]
    #5357221 - 03/02/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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This two party system is a total sham.




You say that, but its this two party system that rules out all the extremities. If it wasn't like this, and a winner was decided by the highest percentage of the population, this country would go to hell. With this system, it wouldn't be suprising to see an extreme Christian conservative win by a small percentage of say 20 percent

Look at the elections France had a couple years ago, they had the system you want, a system where there are as many candidates as needed and winner of the highest percentage takes all. A candidate, who's party focused on kicking out the jews from France won 18 percent of the votes I beleive. It may not seem like much, but the actual winner of the election won by only 21 percent.

The 2 party system rules out all of these extremists, without it we would be vulnerable to theocracy, or radicalism, or god knows what. Having 2 parties forces those main two parties to be more towards the center, as opposed to far left or far right.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Freeker]
    #5357230 - 03/02/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

England and Canada both seem to be doing quite well without a winner-take-all system.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5357233 - 03/02/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What system are you referring to? The 2 party system or the electoral college in general?


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Freeker]
    #5357255 - 03/02/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm referring to the two-party system, or more accurately the system by which the winner takes all, as opposed to proportional representation.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5357291 - 03/02/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I really don't know enough about Canadian or British government to rebuttle :shrug:

But as for proportional representation, thats the system where the a candidate receives the same electoral percentage of that state as the percentage of votes he received in the state correct?


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Freeker]
    #5357384 - 03/02/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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But as for proportional representation, thats the system where the a candidate receives the same electoral percentage of that state as the percentage of votes he received in the state correct?



More accurately, it's where the party recieves a number of seats that is proportional to the percentage of votes it gets.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5357946 - 03/02/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

a woman president? call me old fashioned.. but i cant see it. well, at least not a lesbian like h.c.


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Re: Conspiracy to Install Another Loser Into Presidency? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5360700 - 03/03/06 05:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm referring to the two-party system, or more accurately the system by which the winner takes all, as opposed to proportional representation.




The problem is not with the two-party system, but rather with the way the two-party system is used to circumvent the checks and balances between the various branches of government. This happens when the president looks after his political parties agenda rather than bettering the lives of the people he was hired to serve. This happens when the supreme court justices protect their political parties viewpoint rather than protecting the constitution. This happens when congress ignores the problems of the nation and focus their energies towards self gain.


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