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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: Rono]
    #5353264 - 03/01/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I understand all of that. I'm not suggesting that they scrap the point system but add visibility and due process to it.

You know, so members can benefit more from it.


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5353272 - 03/01/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Microcosmatrix said:
I'm not suggesting that they scrap the point system but add visibility and due process to it.



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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5353276 - 03/01/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Microcosmatrix said:
I understand all of that. I'm not suggesting that they scrap the point system but add visibility and due process to it.

You know, so members can benefit more from it.




That's my point though...the system isn't in place for the users.  It's for the mods.

The best way that a user can benefit from it is not fuck up in the first place.  :wink:  Realistically...if someone already has several warnings/bans, what difference will being able to see their points be?  Will that user suddenly and miraculously respect the Shroomery rules because they can see they are close to being permabanned?  It has made NO difference in the past....if anything, I can see users being 'proud' of how many point they have and bragging about it.


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: daimyo]
    #5353289 - 03/01/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, you could pull up your own point screen with the date, discription of the infraction, mod/admin comments etc. etc., and then there's a button to pull up a form to ask for a review.

Hey guys, we know that as a whole, you admins and mods are doing a great job, but sometimes reviews are nescessary in certain specific circumstances.

Implementing this solution might mean a little more work, but I think the value to the community would be great.

I don't think there is going to be any more complaining than there already is now, in fact, it could actually reduce the amount of threads of complaint in WA&F and other public forums as well, if there were a way for users to participate in the point system process.


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: Rono]
    #5353301 - 03/01/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Rono said:
That's my point though...the system isn't in place for the users.  It's for the mods.



IF this system really exists that is :paranoid:

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Rono said:
The best way that a user can benefit from it is not fuck up in the first place.



How can a user know if they "fuck up" though?  What one moderator would see as a comical jab, another may get all babyish over.  It is impossible to know what constitutes "fucking up" since there are no standards.  That is our point.

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Rono said:
Realistically...if someone already has several warnings/bans, what difference will being able to see their points be?  Will that user suddenly and miraculously respect the Shroomery rules because they can see they are close to being permabanned?



Yes.

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Rono said:
It has made NO difference in the past



In the past nobody knew how many points they had.  Currently it is the same.  Learn from the mistakes of the past.

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Rono said:
if anything, I can see users being 'proud' of how many point they have and bragging about it.



Until they are permabanned and it is not a problem.


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: Rono]
    #5353307 - 03/01/06 11:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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That's my point though...the system isn't in place for the users. It's for the mods.




And that's my whole point too.

I am asking why the process has to be cloaked in secrecy in order to work.

Is there any compelling reason not to just allow the users to see their points (since they seem to want to be able to), other than "Someone might brag"?


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5353318 - 03/01/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Either they don't exist, or there is no method to the madness and it would be embarrassing to expose this fact. That's all I can think of.

However, Mr. Kill's post seemed to insinuate that viewing by the membership may be in the works.


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5353319 - 03/01/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Hey guys, we know that as a whole, you admins and mods are doing a great job, but sometimes reviews are nescessary in certain specific circumstances




why is it necesarry? some people makes it sounds like the shroomery is a goverment , this is a webforum , the admins and mods can do whatever they want to.

you dont see anyone outside of OTD have any problems with the rules, just a few in OTD that wants to test the limits, and now they want to see just how far they can go without getting banned..

like " oo i can do this shit two more times before i get banned so blah and if any mod bans me before i can bitch,,, ey i had 2 more points before a ban... "

its really simple , follow the rules and you be ok, break them and deal with it. the admins arent policeofficers, you dont need a lawyer if you get banned from here.. its not like your life is over.. you just do something else until the ban is lifted and your back..


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: daimyo]
    #5353341 - 03/01/06 12:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"IF this system really exists that is"
It Does.

"How can a user know if they "fuck up" though? What one moderator would see as a comical jab, another may get all babyish over. It is impossible to know what constitutes "fucking up" since there are no standards. That is our point."

The rules for each forum are clearly posted...If you even suspect that you may get in trouble for something you are going to post, chances are you will...If a rule is unclear or if you have a question, ask.

"In the past nobody knew how many points they had. Currently it is the same. Learn from the mistakes of the past"

We have...hence this system.

"Until they are permabanned and it is not a problem."

Don't beak the rules and you have nothing to worry about.


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: OJK]
    #5353345 - 03/01/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Odiumjunkie said:
Do me, do me!




Oooh!  Oooh!  Do me, too!!!

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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: shriek]
    #5353357 - 03/01/06 12:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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why is it necesarry? some people makes it sounds like the shroomery is a goverment , this is a webforum , the admins and mods can do whatever they want to.




Whether you know it or not, the Shroomery is a community. Whether it is based in cyberspace or not is immaterial. A lot of us know each other, and use this "webforum" to stay in touch.

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you dont see anyone outside of OTD have any problems with the rules




Yes, OTD has some of the most intelligent and active members

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just a few in OTD that wants to test the limits, and now they want to see just how far they can go without getting banned.. like " oo i can do this shit two more times before i get banned so blah and if any mod bans me before i can bitch,,, ey i had 2 more points before a ban... "




You're correct again, it's probably just a few. Nothing we can do about people like that. Natural selection should handle it for us though.

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its really simple , follow the rules and you be ok, break them and deal with it.




yeah, I know dad.

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the admins arent policeofficers, you dont need a lawyer if you get banned from here..




Lawyer? Where did I ever say "lawyer"? I said let's see our point system so we can use the information to stay out of trouble. Take pride in a clean record, etc. etc.

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its not like your life is over.. you just do something else until the ban is lifted and your back..




Thank you but I don't need a courtesy lesson in the philosophy of being banned.

I'm discussing the visibility of the point system you see, and simple access to a form to ask for a review because sometimes mistakes happen.

Sounds fair to me!


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: GnuBobo]
    #5353360 - 03/01/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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GnuBobo said:
Quote:

Odiumjunkie said:
Do me, do me!




Oooh!  Oooh!  Do me, too!!!

:cheer:




You are currently at 3 points.


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: shriek]
    #5353362 - 03/01/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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shriek said:
why is it necesarry?



It's not necessary. However, members would like to see, and it shouldn't be hard to implement. There is really no reason NOT to do it.

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shriek said:
you dont see anyone outside of OTD have any problems with the rules,



Check my post stats, I am hardly what most would consider an OTDer.

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shriek said:
just a few in OTD that wants to test the limits, and now they want to see just how far they can go without getting banned



In your opinion.

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shriek said:
its really simple , follow the rules and you be ok, break them and deal with it.



Perhaps you can outline each of the 44 moderators positions/interpretations of the rules for us if it is so simple.

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shriek said:
the admins arent policeofficers, you dont need a lawyer if you get banned from here.. its not like your life is over.. you just do something else until the ban is lifted and your back..



I'm sorry, but you're not dealing with people that take stuff like that to well on this site. I'd guess most have a distrust for authority/law, and do not like to just "take it" when they are unfairly accused and/or convicted.


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: Rono]
    #5353368 - 03/01/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

How many points do I have?


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: OJK]
    #5353369 - 03/01/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Odiumjunkie said:
Do me, do me!




you are at 0 points...


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5353372 - 03/01/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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How many points do I have?



You are also at 0 points


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: Rono]
    #5353379 - 03/01/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

And with that I call an end to finding out how many points one has in my thread. Either PM someone or start another thread. This needn't be locked for going OT.

This is for the discussion of the four topics presented in my original post. So far we have some discussion on point four, but one, two, and three are lacking.


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: Rono]
    #5353384 - 03/01/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Rono said:
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Microcosmatrix said:
How many points do I have?



You are also at 0 points




May I brag about that? You see having access to the point system could be used to take pride in ones clean record too.

Shriek I thought you said only troublemakers wanted this change.


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Re: 1-2-3-4, No This Isn't a Thumb War [Re: Rono]
    #5353386 - 03/01/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Do me.

Actually, even better: could you tell me my points and what my next ban will entail?


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    #5353391 - 03/01/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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