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psilodevotee
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Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?)
#5352459 - 03/01/06 06:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey gang,
I was once very experienced in lab-style sterile tek for growing ps.cub'ies (build my own HEPA hood, extensive agar cloning, spawnbag inject, cased cropping on exotic compost mixes, etc.) but now find myself returning to this most sacred (and pleasurable) of "transcendental pastimes" with almost NO access to the equiptment and supplies i used to use.
Could anyone here share with me what have proved acceptable substitutes for: 1. no pressure cooker: (canning cookpot?)
2. no vermiculite or perlite: (styrofoam?)
3. no HEPA/Laminar Flowhood or Glovebox (clorox table, take shower?)
4. no pure spore syringe (just old print on a.foil)
5. no fogger (just spray bottle?)
6..... etc.
In otherwords: what's the best "doing with next to nothing" tek around for those of us here in Russia, Ukraine, Poland.....etc. ???
Thanks myco-family/ psilodevotees one-n-all
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: psilodevotee]
#5352470 - 03/01/06 06:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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you have access to a syringe, maybe feed the print to some cows and wait
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Mead

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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5352504 - 03/01/06 07:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm uber basic. I use a microwave with some wbs + water in a glass jar with no top on(put on after done microwaving[10 min on high power, then 10 mins on various power settings), then innoc, and once done case it with peat(soil), put some saran wrap overtop and mist it with a spraybottle as needed. No hepa or clorox wipedown or even shower beforehand. I am naturally clean and wash my hands after using the bathroom and use a little hydrogen peroxide with my spraybottle.
I am only just pinning my second mush grow, but haven't had any contams, and I was told only to expect 1 out of 12 jars to finish using a microwave, so I guess my next 22 will be faliures... right? I have been told lots of things in my lifetime and some things just don't sound concrete(if one can finish there has to be a way, not just luck...there are gazillions of bacterias and spores floating around.)
Hope maybe something will help, I don't think it's as hard as people make it seem. Just like the cannabis plant when I first picked it up 7-8 years ago; I was told it's impossible to grow plants in the windowsill, well about 3 and a half months later I had 3- 1gallon pots with 12-15 inch long sticks of buds in my window (since then I have purchased artificial lights, but it's the point...don't be afraid)
GL
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FooMan



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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: Mead]
#5352800 - 03/01/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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MeadMadeMe said: I'm uber basic. I use a microwave with some wbs + water in a glass jar with no top on(put on after done microwaving[10 min on high power, then 10 mins on various power settings),
Please write up a more specific tek. There are too many "I don't have a PC, what do I do?" questions floating around lately and if you can shed some light on a microwave tek involving grains that actually works, I'm sure MANY people would be interested in it.
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it's the point...don't be afraid)
Agreed! This is how new teks come about and myths get put to rest.
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FooMan



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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: psilodevotee]
#5352840 - 03/01/06 09:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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And to TRY to help out psilodevotee:
1. No PC, you're stuck with BRF. I'm thinking you should do the "Agar substitute tek" that involves using wet BRF in a jar/glass as a substitute for agar. Once you get some healthy myc from this, you can transfer it to whole grains that would have to be sterilized with "fractional sterilization".
2. No verm or perlite? You really don't need either. Verm you won't need for the method I described above. You don't need perlite either to keep a fruiting chamber humid if you case the whole grains, just mist and fan it.
3. The purpose of a glovebox or flow hood is to stop contams from falling on you stuff. This can be achieved by working in a clean garbage bag or a box tilted on it's side, etc. Just keep things clean!
4. Use the print as described in step 1 and isolate some good myc in your ghetto glovebox/flow hood in step 3
5. Just a spray bottle will do, unless you need automation, but that doesn't sound like an option where you are.
6. etc? - Extra Terrestrial Cubensis? Don't worry, they won't hurt you. They just like to chill, burn fatties and watch TV. Keep them fed.
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tiny_rabid_birds
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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: FooMan]
#5352854 - 03/01/06 09:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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lmao... extra terrestrial cubensis. That's good. I wonder if I'll ever be blessed enough to be visited.
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Roadkill
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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#5352863 - 03/01/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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tiny_rabid_birds said:
lmao... extra terrestrial cubensis. That's good. I wonder if I'll ever be blessed enough to be visited.
take 11 dry grams of Cambodians and you will be visited.

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To the Soviet:
move to Washington State...
we have alot of your country men living here now.
nice people...the ones that I have met.
and you can buy all of your supplies here.
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tiny_rabid_birds
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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: Roadkill]
#5352887 - 03/01/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jesus H... I'm not sure I could handle half that, let alone the full 11g. I believe it'll be a few more years of training before I can confidently have a first encounter.
And psilodevotee, if you don't mind my asking, what led you to leave the hobby if you were set up with so much kickass equipment?
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FooMan



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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: Roadkill]
#5352894 - 03/01/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Roadkill said: move to Washington State...
I don't think I could take the constant raining, but the thought of Azures growing in the wild is definitely a good incentive.
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FooMan



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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#5352906 - 03/01/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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tiny_rabid_birds said: And psilodevotee, if you don't mind my asking, what led you to leave the hobby if you were set up with so much kickass equipment?
I'm assuming he had to move to where he is now for whatever reason: school, work, peace corps, etc and couldn't bring his stuff with him, but that's just a guess.
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Mead

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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: FooMan]
#5352916 - 03/01/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sure, but I don't know what to attribute my success to yet, aside from Blackout who inspired me to use my microwave, and does better writeups than I do, but nevertheless I have done a writeup before so I'll copy&paste it.
I filled a jar with wbs half way then added water 3/4ths the way and shook-strained only once. Added water till 1/4 an inch above the wbs put piece of tyvek over mouth of jar(no lid) press down around shoulders(steam will pop it up a little) microwaved on full for 10 mins(1500watt microwave[kenmore] I believe) then added water till it was just covering wbs nuked on various power settings(3 mins on 10 then 9 for 2 8-7-6 etc) 10 min shook it all a few times and let cool against a window innoced a matter of hours later(wait till cool)
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tiny_rabid_birds
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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: Mead]
#5352959 - 03/01/06 10:04 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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FooManShroom said: I'm assuming he had to move to where he is now for whatever reason: school, work, peace corps, etc and couldn't bring his stuff with him, but that's just a guess.
Ahh.. His wording led me to believe that his move to the Soviet was rather recent, but that he stopped growing years ago. Mainly the "I was once very experienced..." and "but now I find myself returning...", which I took as implications of an extended absence, while the title of the thread says that the Soviet is his new locale.
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rDr4g0n
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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
#5353142 - 03/01/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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tiny_rabid_birds said:
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FooManShroom said: I'm assuming he had to move to where he is now for whatever reason: school, work, peace corps, etc and couldn't bring his stuff with him, but that's just a guess.
Ahh.. His wording led me to believe that his move to the Soviet was rather recent, but that he stopped growing years ago. Mainly the "I was once very experienced..." and "but now I find myself returning...", which I took as implications of an extended absence, while the title of the thread says that the Soviet is his new locale.
by golly watson, i think hes got it! *smokes old fashioned tobacco pipe*
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tiny_rabid_birds
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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: rDr4g0n]
#5353180 - 03/01/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hah.. I was still in argumentative essay mode from an exam earlier today. I am still curious though. I mean that seems like a pretty sweet, extensive setup to just up and leave the hobby.
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agar
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Re: Old Grower NEW Local (any postSOVIET tek experts out/there?) [Re: psilodevotee]
#5354036 - 03/01/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You will need a syringe & needle (several, if at all possible).
If the print you have is sanitary (uncontaminated).
Make spore solution syringes.
You can do that in a small uncarpeted room (usually a bathroom). Close heat vent. Sanitize everything (as best possible). Wear freshly laundered clothing. Shower & shave. Cover mouth with clean handkerchief or bandanna, cover hair with clean cap, or hat.
Trim fingernails. Scrub hands with hot soapy water, up past your elbows. Spray a fine mist of sanitizing agent into the overhead air (several times) & let it settle. (you now have a single use quasi-mini-clean room.
Study up on "fractional sterilization" of grains. http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/23372
If you can find millet, Milo, sorghum, or rye grain. You can use fractional sterilization methods, to create grain spawn jars. It is time consuming, but works, if done right.
Find glass jars & metal lids to make grain spawn jars.
You can get by with sterile band aids for gas exchange filters.
Find well weather aged horse manure, to use as substrate.
Where there is a WILL, there is a WAY.
I realize this is incomplete, as I don't have time to write a whole grow operation, at the moment. But, you can/will find plenty of help here.
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