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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: ChuangTzu]
#5367166 - 03/05/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, sadly the kind of people who perform chemistry at home tend to be few and far between, and often just a little bit eccentric. They aren't represented well, if at all... and because they are both rare and vastly different than the average person, your common citizen (read "idiot") could care less about screwing them over. They're more concerned with making as many things illegal as possible so that their feeble minds can feel safe.
I'll write up letters to both of those recipients you suggested. I like to write letters anyhow, and this is a damn good cause to write about.
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: Konnrade]
#5367255 - 03/05/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Can someone please do me a favor, and peer-edit my letter to the SAC? I've attached it.
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: Konnrade]
#5367400 - 03/05/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Check your pms. I hope you can interpret my markup. Also, what's the SAC?
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: ChuangTzu]
#5367783 - 03/05/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Society for Amateur Scientists. I just had a brain fart and swapped in the letter "C" instead of "S".
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: Konnrade]
#5370304 - 03/06/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Excellent post. Do you mind if I quote you (as anonymous) on other website forums?
Please do. Keep it anonymous though as a foolfilter. On the same note mention that it's (C) the original poster but that you got permission, to stop the people that suck. I'm glad you like it this much!
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: Asante]
#5376527 - 03/08/06 01:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey Wiccan_Seeker, im curious as to why you classified these video boomers as 'stark raving insane' or at least what they are doing as that.
do you have any .nfo on what kind of explosive that is? it looks like some kind of directional incindiary charge how it cuts that tree so nicely.
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: fresh313]
#5376579 - 03/08/06 03:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: hey Wiccan_Seeker, im curious as to why you classified these video boomers as 'stark raving insane' or at least what they are doing as that.
do you have any .nfo on what kind of explosive that is? it looks like some kind of directional incindiary charge how it cuts that tree so nicely.
My guess is that they used detcord. Detcord is great for doing things like that. And if you're licensed to handle blasting materials you can buy the stuff.
Changing gears: With some help from ChuangTzu, I've written and revised a letter that I can make alterations to in order to send out to any person or organization that may be able to help defeat the CPSC. I strongly encourage each and every one of you to start writing to people too. Try to avoid e-mails, they're easy to delete and leave unread. When you send a letter at least there's a tangible document there to entice them into reading it.
The CPSC is going to walk all over us if we don't put a stop to their incompetence. Stand up and start saying "NO!"
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: fresh313]
#5377630 - 03/08/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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My guess is that they used detcord. Detcord is great for doing things like that. And if you're licensed to handle blasting materials you can buy the stuff.
Did you blink when it went off? The size of the fireball and the ensuing roar were a tad big for detcord 
The website I lifted this from carried some information, which i'm going to censor so that only those in the know will get confirmation, yet won't talk about it. I know you know.. dont prove you know.. STFU
As I read it this explosion was done with a bottle filled with a liquid explosive with a sensitizer, both are available in stores and were simply mixed, and set off with a homemade detonator.
It is important to realize that none of the chemicals these boomers used were on the list. So even if the prohibition was in place, these guys would keep on booming undiminished but more scientific hobbyists would suffer.
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im curious as to why you classified these video boomers as 'stark raving insane' or at least what they are doing as that.
First off, they are probably not insane because as you can see they got the science part right. It's what they DID that I call insane, becausde such risks are involved that I sit on a turd just thinking about it.
No directional incendiaries - this was a brute force high explosive blast comparable to a few sticks of dynamite.
I estimate that this blast was as strong as lets say ten or twenty hand grenades. It was set off with a homemade cap consisting of STFU.
STFU is so insanely unstable and prone to go off at the least provocation that no sane chemist dabbles with it, let alone connects it to a charge like that.
If the STFU doesnt work or doesnt initiate the main charge its bad. But if the STFU partially explodes you've got a highly unstable device with crystals of STFU in or all over it, and it'll be a deathtrap to render harmless. Boomers tend to trhink in hits or misses but the partial things inbetween are utter safety nightmares.
That charge has sent debris flying at speeds of five or ten times the speed of a bullet. They did it in the open, so they or other people might have gotten gored by something, maybe even when standing a mile away.
Provided they chose a safe area with no innocent bystanders and took cover at a safe distance without facing the blast, my main problem with all of this is their use of STFU. STFU is used by most types that dabble with high explosives and is the reason not a few of them meet with tragedy, which reflects negatively on anyone who tinkers with chemicals, even non-pyro ones.
If it were constructed properly (I don't know that) and didnt use STFU to initiate it but something decent, safety precautions were good and they either buried it a meter under the soil of suspended it five meters underwater from a small floater, the effects would be much more "enjoyable" and certainly far less dangerous.
You can test true freedom by how you treat people whom you least agree with. In the science hobbyist sector that for most would be the boomer crowd. I mean just look at that and consider your neighbor made that in his toolshed next to your house  Not a pleasant thought there, is it?
Still I feel that just like rocketeer clubs there should be boomer clubs where these people in a safe controlled way can indulge in their hobby. Even though these people scare me shitless and I rather had that they took up painting flowerpots or cast concrete dildos, they still have the right to exercise their hobby in my book.
People, lets not get graphic about the exact details of pyrotechnics. This affects all science hobbyists, it so happened that the chemicals affected are mostly pyrochemicals.
What I like most about United Nuclear's stock list is their biggest size neodymium magnets. That would be interesting to tinker with! Anyone has any idea about how much tesla we're talking about?
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: Asante]
#5378853 - 03/08/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: What I like most about United Nuclear's stock list is their biggest size neodymium magnets. That would be interesting to tinker with! Anyone has any idea about how much tesla we're talking about?
If you contacted them and asked, they'd probably be quite willing to tell you.
I'm very fascinated by their magnets too, but with all the magnetism sensitive equipment littered throughout my house (3 computers, two televisions, floppy disks, VHS tapes, CRT monitors) I wouldn't know where to put them.
If it wasn't for my lack of engineering knowledge, I'd be tempted to try making a railgun with those things. or perhaps a scaled-up version of the "gaussian gun". Although I wouldn't trust myself with a huge super-magnetic tube that can hurl metal projectiles at high speeds. I'd be bound to get in trouble with that
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: Asante]
#5380295 - 03/09/06 05:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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lololololol.. hahahaa. back in the day older kids used to blow small 20xx and 2 [measure] STFU's in my backyard.
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: Asante]
#5380300 - 03/09/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anyone has any idea about how much tesla we're talking about?
It looks to me like their biggest ones are rated N45. The N is of course for neodymium and the 45 is the energy product of the magnet in megagauss-oersteds. Grades of over N50 are available. An N45 has a residual flux density of about 1.35T, however you'll never measure that strength anywhere outside the magnet. These guys have some excellent tools to help you determine some flux densities for variously configured magnets. There are some other sites out there with really f'n huge magnets but I'm too lazy to look them up.
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: ChuangTzu]
#9371698 - 12/05/08 11:15 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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The Permanganate compounds wouldn't be to hard to fine elsewhere as well as the others.
When was the last time that someone blew up something in the states anyhow that wasn't purchased from a farm supply? Plus how much shit is avialable on the black market, just making it harder for people that aren't even close to driving a Uhual into "their voting" "buildings".
You'd think that the US would rather have people make their own drugs, hell.....why not sent 16 billion a year to mexico...sounds fucking great!
Guess we are all going to have to go out to nature and synth everything from the earth itself...some kind of rainbow "organic" chemical farm.
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: TreeMoss]
#9371745 - 12/05/08 11:23 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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That thread was 2 and 3/4 years old...
But the situation hasn't really changed since.
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: Asante]
#9373674 - 12/05/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is bullshit. We're slowly shutting down legitimate sources for hobbyist and ameuteurs. Bullshit.
Whether drug paranoia (where they try to regulate such things as toluene but let benzene and zylene go unregulated) or ATF bullshit (where apparently you can't buy shit to make asprin or can't even buy asprin itself, depending on what salicylate compounds means- who knows) we're being huge pricks.
People are afraid of chemistry cuz they don't understand it. These "meth labs" aren't half the danger they claim either. The biggest problem would be idiots lighting solvents on fire and contaminating water sources via illegal dumping- neither chemistry related really.
That dig link no worky.
Most people don't know that it is legal to buy all the precursors to LSD so long as you don't lie to the company... THe public has a false sense of the controls that exist, though it looks like they're trying to increase these controls.
I'm sick of this crap 
Prosecute the drug makers and people that do illegal things with explosives, but let people buy what they want, and open "no questions asked" waste disposal so that people can dispose of chemicals without raising suspicion if they're running a meth lab. I'm not afraid of someone making meth, I'm afraid of the idiots polluting my well.
And yeah, I like how apparently fertilizer is no banned.... Take that miracle grow.
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: johnm214]
#9400089 - 12/09/08 02:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree, although I know next to nothing about making meth other than some TV show where cops made it but it seemed way more dangerous and complicated than how I would personally view the process (can't be much different than any other A/B extraction.......which means no heat needed and you don't need to use a gas to bubble gas through the mixture.
THe real thing about a meth lab is people don't use a chem hood or scrub the exhaust with carbon..which would be the best thing to do.
That and people going ape shit staying awake for ever and doing all sorts of shady things......that is never a great thing for covert activities.....well, ha, that is the meaning of covert until you bring attention upon your situation..that is a no no
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: TreeMoss]
#9403325 - 12/09/08 10:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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how I would personally view the process (can't be much different than any other A/B extraction.......
Thats oversimplified. Yes there is A/B involved, but then actual chemistry is done, typically involving iodine and phosphorus.
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Re: US Gov. wants explosives license to buy chemicals [Re: Asante]
#9408799 - 12/10/08 07:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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how I would personally view the process (can't be much different than any other A/B extraction.......
Thats oversimplified. Yes there is A/B involved, but then actual chemistry is done, typically involving iodine and phosphorus.
yeah, but no oversimplified much.
You could throw pseudophed pills, iodine, and red phosphorus in there and it would work. Hell, you could probably skip the phosphorus, though I don't know, since its only roll seems to be to regenerate the iodine.
I believe you can thow tylenol pills with pseudophedrine, guafenesin (sp?), and APAP directly in the soup and get meth.
Making something active is too easy to be controled without ridiculous restrictions on pseudophedring- making it a controlled substance or prescription only. This would simply force people to pay good money to get permission from a doctor to get pills- idiotic and dangerous. If you don't have the money to throw away you're fucked.
We now try to get people to use relativly untested and unknown compounds cuz some guy might make meth- garbage. I don't need to alter my life cuz someone else i making drugs. And in the end, what is the point? Cocaine isn't made in this country in any signifigant quantities yet somehow it exists everywhere. Same with the meth. It will be here. Prohibition is a fool's errand and fucking with normal people's life who don't make meth is even shittier.
Hopefully people rebel against this crap and tell their representatives they shouldn't be fucked with by the gov't to get cold pills or be forced to spend money to get a nanny state's permission to get the pills (via doctor).
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