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MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION?
    #5350174 - 02/28/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hey, i posted this along with my trip report but it wasnt getting as much attention.. Here it is again... Has anyone had experience with this method? Is it a legit way to reduce the amount of cacti?

"Excellent, tested method - I know everclear would be better, but I only have
access to vodka:

(1) Put ~60g in a glass bottle of 100 proof vodka (ground up in coffee
grinder is best)
(2) Shake often over the course of 3-4 days, keeping it in a dark place
(3) Strain out the liquid with a (clean) sock, and pour it into some shallow
dishes
(4) Use a food dehydrator (or just wait) for the alcohol (and some water) to
evaporate the liquid. A murky/dirty layer will appear at the bottom of the
liquid as there is no longer enough liquid for the solids to be dissolved
in. Keep the liquid, reducing it (by low-heat evaporation) to any amount
you like.
(5) Put that ~60g back in the glass bottle, refill with vodka
(6) Shake often over the course of 5-7 days
(7) Repeat steps 3 and 4 with that next batch (it should be much less
murky - getting out the "last" of the water and alcohol soluable stuff in
the cactus.


You can dehydrate as long as you want - I like to make a 20g equivalent of
solid about 1/2 a cup of liquid. With everclear, there would be so much
alcohol that it would evaporate very quickly -- it might not even be
necessary to have a food dehydrator in that case. 1/2 cup is small enough
that you can chug a small mouthful, but large enough that you can spread out
ingestion over several hours."


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Helge]
    #5350366 - 02/28/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

sounds good to me!


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Damn]
    #5350420 - 02/28/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

im not expert on the extraction, i just know the a/b extraction posted in ODD defiently works :smile:  this sounds a hella lot safer, but i wonder if the end result will result in the same....


We need ekstaza on this one....I hope he grabs this and reads it and posts :wink:


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: RemainRandom50]
    #5351108 - 02/28/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Do a search for alcohol extraction and you should find plenty of my posts.

It works great.

I use 190 proof grain alcohol, though.


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5352103 - 03/01/06 02:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Ekstaza said:
Do a search for alcohol extraction and you should find plenty of my posts.

It works great.

I use 190 proof grain alcohol, though.




150 Bacardi here.


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #5353213 - 03/01/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what is the MAIN difference between this extraction and the other that require HCL Acid?


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: RemainRandom50]
    #5353351 - 03/01/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You don't get crystals at the end of this one. I think it leaves you with a sticky black goo.


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: abrad84]
    #5354339 - 03/01/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, I could care less if i end up with goo... The only thing i am wondering is if this goo with dry out to become powder again since I will want to load it up into capsules! I would guess it would? but so far noone has confirmed this?

Anyone?


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? *DELETED* [Re: Helge]
    #5354586 - 03/01/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Helge]
    #5354752 - 03/01/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Im not sure about the goo becoming powder, I have some goo from an extraction still and it hasnt formed the consistency of becoming powder or ever will, but you can try freezing them solid and try something from then on in but why not just down the goo its just like a nasty syrup that produces a wonderfull experience.


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #5354882 - 03/01/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The main reason is that I am going to do more then just one dose worth(If i have enough alcohol) and it would be nice to store it in capsules. I wonder why the alcohol wont completely evaporate out? I mean it started as a powder, shouldn't the liquid evaporate off? Also, how much "goo" do you usually take? I really enjoyed my 50 gram powder dose... Any ideas on what would be equivalent? I understand it isn't easy estimating with Torch because the potency can vary but any estimates would be appreciated

P.s. back to me previous post.. Anyone know if you can reuse the alcohol? Or how much I would need to do extraction on 500 grams?
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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Helge]
    #5357151 - 03/02/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Bump!!

Anyone know if you can reuse the alcohol?---I doubt it... But better yet how much I would need to do extraction on 500 grams?

Anyone know a alcohol / grams ratio?


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Helge]
    #5357956 - 03/02/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

BUMpMUB Someone must know this?


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Helge]
    #5358183 - 03/02/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

so...you end up with a goop instead of crystal......seems like SO much more work and whatnot for an end result - as opposed to the HCL version....

What do you weigh the goop in mg and then down it from there?
or do you just say "all my end result, i will just induce it after the 60 gram powder conversion to a goop?"

what does this 60 grams and all this work, produce? measurements.......


i mean , i ask because i know someone who would liek to try....but he has done the HCL extraction, had amazing results, and wants to know is this worth trying or not? it just seems liek way to much work (7-8 days process?)


Hmmm, i need more information. The ONLY reason he would prolly try this is to save some money and to get rid of the smell of xylene in his apartment at times....but then again i wonder if its worth the time he will lose.


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: RemainRandom50]
    #5358218 - 03/02/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know man... This method sounds easy as hell.. I have a week to burn before I want to trip anyway. All you do is put the cacti in the alcohol, shake a few times a day, then strain, and repeat.. Let the shit evaporate and your golden.. I don't have the resources or the confidence to do the a/b method--but i would LOVE to get some pure crystals... But I will for sure settle for eating a little goo compared to eating 60 grams of green hell.

ANYWAY!!! Can ANYONE answer:
Anyone know if you can reuse the alcohol?---I doubt it... But better yet how much I would need to do extraction on 100 grams? or 500 grams as that is how much is on its way to me..

Anyone know a alcohol / grams ratio?


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Helge]
    #5358554 - 03/02/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

bump..  I want an answer!! ahhh. :smile:


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Helge]
    #5359365 - 03/02/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

And once again....BUMP
THis is NEED to Know INforMation People!! Help a brother out.. Ha
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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Helge]
    #5359521 - 03/02/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ahhhh, Why cant we have lots of Mescaline Experts here? Jesus Christ, I thought shroomery members knew all..


MESCALINE!!! Its the only way to fly, so get down with it and help me out with this extraction process!


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Helge]
    #5360093 - 03/02/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you could probably reuse the alcohol if you have some kind of distillation setup to cath the vapor and condense it back into liquid, but why even worry about it, everclear/vodka is pretty cheap.

and as for your question about an estimate of EtOH/cactus ratio, i have no idea, you could try different ratios on the same batch of cactus record results, repeat with a different ratio. then use the data to determine which is the most efficient.


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: eVil_]
    #5360324 - 03/03/06 01:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, Id love to if i had an unlimited amount of funds! Im on a limited budget and need the biggest bang for my buck, so I want to get everything down right the first time:) Know what im saying?
-Helge

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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Helge]
    #5360660 - 03/03/06 04:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The alcohol evaporates. It's gone and can't be reused unless you find a way to collect the vapor.

It will never dry out completely in order for you to make a powder from it. This is because you are extracting mescaline freebase and that is an oil. It will dry out enough to roll into little balls and coat with flour or something to make it less sticky. I've even thought of chocolate coating them. You can make lots of the and store them in the freezer for later use.

Unfortunately this wastes a lot of alcohol. You want to re-soak the cactus powder with alcohol as many times as it takes to get all of the goods out of the powder. When the alcohol stops taking on a dark green color and is transparent light green you are done.


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5360975 - 03/03/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

alright! Just what I needed to know... well, now it is only a matter of time before my cacti arrives and I should be able to get started!
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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Helge]
    #5361070 - 03/03/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

self life of the goo?


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: thedudenj]
    #5361417 - 03/03/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Good question... There wont be any potency loss if I store this "goo" in the freezer for an extended period of time. Say a month or so? Also, how long should I let the Cacti soak... I have heard many different reports on this, some say days, some say weeks.. Any ideas?
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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Helge]
    #5364059 - 03/04/06 09:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The shelf life should be indefinitely. Mescaline is a very stable molecule. It should last for quite some time if stored in the freezer. You just need to treat it like a food substance. If it were peas, how would you store it for the long term?


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5364141 - 03/04/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

sooooooooooo

how prone is this to fucking up? I tried to make ISO alcohol hash with weed once and ended up with no usable product.

as opposed to the method of just chewing up the skin and swallowing the juice....... is it REALLY that unberable to do?

how much of a smell of vodka does it leave while evaporating?


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: leery11]
    #5364253 - 03/04/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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sooooooooooo

how prone is this to fucking up? I tried to make ISO alcohol hash with weed once and ended up with no usable product.

as opposed to the method of just chewing up the skin and swallowing the juice....... is it REALLY that unberable to do?

how much of a smell of vodka does it leave while evaporating?




the taste is VERY unbearable.
its like eating vomit mixed with a hint of cactus.
you dont want to expierence it :wink:


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: RemainRandom50]
    #5364913 - 03/04/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah... It makes shrooms taste like candy... For me it isn't possible to try eating the shit unless it is in capsules.. I gag just thinking about the taste. For me the ONLY way to go is shit loads of capsules or extraction(which I will be trying very soon) Even when I made the capsules I had to try to kinda clean the outsides by rubbing them on paper towel just so the capsules didn't taste like the cactus.. It is just that bad... I give anyone here props who can just straight eat the shit and chase it down..
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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Helge]
    #5366897 - 03/05/06 10:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Helge said:
I give anyone here props who can just straight eat the shit and chase it down..
-Helge





Ill double that statement


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: RemainRandom50]
    #5366994 - 03/05/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

YAAY! I get props! :woot:

I blendered and slugged about 8" of T. peruvianus after de-skinning, de-needling, and coring out the pulpy part. It's like drinking a big glass of really bitter snot. It definently worked, but :argh:, it's nasty. I don't think I could do it again.... and the feeling the raw goo leaves in your stomach before digestion is gross and nauseating too.

Extraction in ANY form is better than just powering down the raw shite.


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: mediman0078]
    #5574369 - 04/30/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Try pudding and powerd catus, its way better.


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: BlindLemon]
    #5574445 - 04/30/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Try pudding and powerd catus, its way better.



You're still consuming the cactus flesh which is tough to digest. I'd make tea before taking cactus powder again. And I ain't about to swallow any cactus tea any time soon.


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5575235 - 04/30/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

just making sure, does the alcohol sufficiently get all the mescaline out of the cactus pulp? or would using a petroleum either and then drying before the alcohol part help?

Also can one get the same effects with denatured alcohol but evaporate it completely?

I'm also to understand that sometimes a highly acidic substance is sometimes used in mescaline extractions such as citric acid or even Hcl. Why is this?


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: BlindLemon]
    #5575246 - 04/30/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

omg i have been waiting for this one for a week

thats it
sure acid base makes mescaline but you lose some of the other stuff in the cactus and it loses some of its soul


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: thedudenj]
    #5575255 - 04/30/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh cool, was that just extracted with alcohol? If so what type and what proof?

BTW that shure looks good :tongue2:  Let us know how it is.


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: BlindLemon]
    #5575785 - 04/30/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

some people put maria (weed) on alcohol and let ti sit for a time but if u cut the cactus in pieces ant put It in vodka for like 15 to 20 day this will release all the goods and the only thing u have to do is drink the vodka with u favorite juice or soda. of course u will have to be sure u rem place the bottle before dink it, also u can eat the pieces of cactus after u chance the vodka to a new bottle that would give u a nice trip. note: it may don't taste good but if u can eat it man u will be so happy


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: trance_21]
    #5575795 - 04/30/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i do this before wit peyote i am from Mexico so I'm not a liar or making a joke


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: trance_21]
    #5577023 - 05/01/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

well i soaked 75grams of torch in iso alcohol for 3 days then strained and evaporated it to form that tar and it was really good


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: thedudenj]
    #5580863 - 05/02/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

finally, some NOT cactus flesh :wink:


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Re: MESCALINE ALCOHOL EXTRACTION? [Re: RemainRandom50]
    #5581616 - 05/02/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Here is a good way that works for me and my friends without alcohol.

Blender the fresh cactus, spines and all. It will be bright green foamy stuff. Chuck it on the pot on high. When the liquid has gone brown and the foamyness has gone leave to cool. Strain/squeeze through a pillow case or t-shirt )if you can pressing will help get it all out. You can save the solids, add water and repeat the process with them to get most of the mescaline.

In a new pot pour in your strained liquid - it should be muddy brown with fine dust-like particles in it. Boil down to whatever consistancy you like. You can even boil down to a "putty" which can be rolled into balls and swallowed. Typicially I boil down quite alot - I end up having about 1/3 of a coffee mug for a level 2-3 trip.


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