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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan] * 2
    #5291493 - 02/12/06 01:36 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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You tighten the lids beforehand. Remember, you should have filtered holes with polyfil, Tyvek, micropore, etc that allow steam to escape through the lid.




I don't agree completely, when just using micropore tape and tightening the jars ive had the tape get deformed and sometimes baloon out because of the steam. This decreases the filtering ability


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: lardnar]
    #5291680 - 02/12/06 02:36 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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You tighten the lids beforehand. Remember, you should have filtered holes with polyfil, Tyvek, micropore, etc that allow steam to escape through the lid.




I don't agree completely, when just using micropore tape and tightening the jars ive had the tape get deformed and sometimes baloon out because of the steam. This decreases the filtering ability




The main point of the thread is the WBS prep, not the way you filter the jar lids. I clearly explained in the original post that I wouldn't get into how you should filter your holes. That part is up to you. Figure out what works for you and do it.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #5292955 - 02/12/06 09:58 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

well ok.... I shot up my jars prepared this way on thursday night(3days ago) with an LC-5cc each qt jar. The jars exploded with growth. all of the sides i shot down are colonized. All of the bottoms are completely colonized. The myc still looks thin so ill wait a little before I do my shake. I did not shake after inoculation because I didnt want to slow the myc down any.

I will try to get some pictures up tomarrow, but for now I can vouch that this tek rocks  :rockon:


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: Drone]
    #5292970 - 02/12/06 10:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup: Good to hear!


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #5333317 - 02/23/06 09:58 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I had alot of problems when I skipped the soak, 12 hours is fine I think, but took me 2 tries and I got his tek down, main problem I think is making sure you know what the simmered seeds look like, Simmering for 30 minutes means nothing if the seeds aren't done, but if you over do it good luck shaking the jars afterwards...

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: liloldme]
    #5333602 - 02/23/06 10:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: cougercruiser]
    #5333694 - 02/23/06 11:36 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #5333739 - 02/23/06 11:53 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

cool good tek m8, will give it a go :smile:

havent tryed WBS yet but had good results withthe cracked corn, i like it, less hassle thsan BRF cakes ,easy to get water content right...


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FractalXplora]
    #5334417 - 02/24/06 09:34 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

any1 else tried this?

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: down44]
    #5334430 - 02/24/06 09:47 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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any1 else tried this?




Read the whole thread, yes.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: lardnar]
    #5335713 - 02/24/06 06:29 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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You tighten the lids beforehand. Remember, you should have filtered holes with polyfil, Tyvek, micropore, etc that allow steam to escape through the lid.




I don't agree completely, when just using micropore tape and tightening the jars ive had the tape get deformed and sometimes baloon out because of the steam. This decreases the filtering ability




With tyvek, or micropore filtering.

I DO NOT tighten jar lids, prior to PC'ing.

I leave then half or 3/4 turn loose.

Then tighten, when I remove them from the PC.

Reason being, if the lids are TIGHT.

Steam develops inside the jars & the only place it has to exit IS.

Through the filter material.

Because the steam comes from moisture in wbs/grain jars.

It can/will carry a small amount of nutrients (from the wbs/grain moisture) - with it.

Meaning, that you can/will SATURATE filters with some nutrients.

Which, can later lead to contaminate spores germinating on the filters, and wicking into the wbs/grain jars. :mad2:

True, also, tight lids will cause micropore tape to bubble outward.

Not a good thing. As, that expands the pores of the tape.

Which DEGRADES it's filtering ability.

For that matter, I don't simmer wbs/grains - either.

To each his own & whatever works for you - does.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: agar]
    #5336030 - 02/24/06 08:47 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: agar]
    #5342001 - 02/26/06 05:38 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Reason being, if the lids are TIGHT.

Steam develops inside the jars & the only place it has to exit IS.

Through the filter material.

Because the steam comes from moisture in wbs/grain jars.

It can/will carry a small amount of nutrients (from the wbs/grain moisture) - with it.

Meaning, that you can/will SATURATE filters with some nutrients.

Which, can later lead to contaminate spores germinating on the filters, and wicking into the wbs/grain jars.




Well, now I know that I'm not the only one who thinks that this can/will happen!
People never look at this as a possibility when their jars contaminate--it's always the print, the syringe, the tek, or their sterility when their jars contaminate. When all along, it could have been something as simple as this.
I'm glad you pointed this out Agar---> Thanks Bro !!


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: doc34]
    #5350011 - 02/28/06 03:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well if you check all my posts, you will see that i havent been here in a while, and have yet to fruit anything. That being said, I am trying this Tek and will report back.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: Dexter_Morgan]
    #5362243 - 03/03/06 04:53 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

this works awesome tek much props

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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: down44]
    #5362458 - 03/03/06 05:54 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

I'm trying this with rye as we speak right now. I dropped the rye into the steaming water and it took less then 30 minutes to swell up to the size it is after a 12-24 hour soak. I rinsed, drained and I'm now PC'ing. Will report back when I'm done.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: agar]
    #5362479 - 03/03/06 06:01 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

Agar, I didn't even think about that one. I do my lids by drilling a 1/4" hole in the center, stuff that with polyfil. I lay a Tyvek disc down on top of the jar, then screw the lid with polyfil down over that. I cover it with coffee filter (Agar suggestion:thumbup:) during PC'ing and inject straight through the polyfil and Tyvek when inoculating. Never had a problem.  :grin:


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: FooMan]
    #5362550 - 03/03/06 06:31 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

I just spawned those jars I did with this tek to a Double Tub with straight straw. I was lazy and let the jars sit in the incubator for probly 2 weeks after they were fully colonized. They didnt contam, so you know that its ok to skip soaking and use this tek.


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: Drone]
    #5362931 - 03/03/06 08:49 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

Why am I the only person that has incredibly wet jars when using this method? Even if I let the seeds drain for even 30 min, the jars still have a pool of water inside the jar (when tipped). I had to go as far as dry the wbs with a towel to get it to the right moisture level, wtf?


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Re: Easy "Soak and Simmer" WBS Prep [Re: nuk1m]
    #5362938 - 03/03/06 08:52 PM (18 years, 29 days ago)

I dont know, I used the exact same birdseed he used. IF anything it ended up a tad on the dry side. which isnt bad, because it was enough water to fully colonize.


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