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The Dogmatic Tendencies of LaVeyan Satanism
#5349973 - 02/28/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth:
1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another?s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
The Nine Satanic Sins
1. Stupidity?The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It?s too bad that stupidity isn?t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.
2. Pretentiousness?Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn?t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone?s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.
3. Solipsism?Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won?t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of ?Do unto others as they do unto you.? It?s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.
4. Self-deceit?It?s in the ?Nine Satanic Statements? but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it?s fun, and with awareness. But then, it?s not self-deceit!
5. Herd Conformity?That?s obvious from a Satanic stance. It?s all right to conform to a person?s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.
6. Lack of Perspective?Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints?know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies?Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it?s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.
8. Counterproductive Pride?That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you?ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I?m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.
9. Lack of Aesthetics?This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It?s not what?s supposed to be pleasing?it?s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one?s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.
This seems somewhat ironic for a religion whose central focus was supposed to be the fulfillment of the hedonistic desires of the individual, but I suppose that a "religion of freedom" is a contradiction in terms. LaVey encouraged his followers to give way to their "carnal nature and appetites," that is, as long as they didn't get too carnal and disregard the delicate rules of Satanistic etiquette.
Rule #4 states that "If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy," while Rule #9 commands that little children are not to be harmed. But wait, that means that if a little child is annoying me in my lair, I'm not allowed to torture him!?! It seems that regardless of how I chose to handle the situation, I would be forced to break one of the "Satanic Rules of the Earth." 
It appears that in his disillusionment with the contradictions of organized religion and the herd mentalities imposed by society, Anton LaVey set out to create new ones. It even costs $200 to become an official member of this "religion of freedom!" After doing a bit of reading about LaVeyan Satanism, reading excerpts of The Satanic Bible (which contains "rituals" that even a devote fundamentalist Christian might jeer at), and checking out their official website, http://www.churchofsatan.com ( at the welcome screen), I've concluded that this is a religion which, like others of its kind, probably doesn't deserve to be taken very seriously. A true individual should not have to turn to any religious doctrine in order to justify and/or define his or her beliefs.
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Re: The Dogmatic Tendencies of LaVeyan Satanism [Re: it stars saddam]
#5350505 - 02/28/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i agree
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Re: The Dogmatic Tendencies of LaVeyan Satanism [Re: it stars saddam]
#5350798 - 02/28/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I ran into this exact thing a few years ago... here. Lemme dig up that email...
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Re: The Dogmatic Tendencies of LaVeyan Satanism [Re: Sclorch]
#5350809 - 02/28/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It seems that every thread topic I present has already been addressed by you 4 years ago. 
I am curious as to whether there are any practicing Satanists on these boards.
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Re: The Dogmatic Tendencies of LaVeyan Satanism [Re: it stars saddam]
#5350865 - 02/28/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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itstarssaddam said: It seems that every thread topic I present has already been addressed by you 4 years ago. 
Sorry about that. hehe 
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I am curious as to whether there are any practicing Satanists on these boards.
None that post. It'd be interesting to debate a satanist.
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Re: The Dogmatic Tendencies of LaVeyan Satanism [Re: it stars saddam]
#5351173 - 02/28/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Satanists are essentially failed Christians.
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Re: The Dogmatic Tendencies of LaVeyan Satanism [Re: it stars saddam]
#5351215 - 02/28/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have a copy of The Satanist Bible on my bookshelf right next to The King James version of The Christian Bible. They're in the fantasy section, on the same shelf as Lord of The Rings and The Communist Manifesto.
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Re: The Dogmatic Tendencies of LaVeyan Satanism [Re: Skeptikos]
#5351252 - 02/28/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Skeptikos said: I have a copy of The Satanist Bible on my bookshelf right next to The King James version of The Christian Bible. They're in the fantasy section, on the same shelf as Lord of The Rings and The Communist Manifesto.
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Re: The Dogmatic Tendencies of LaVeyan Satanism [Re: it stars saddam]
#5351383 - 02/28/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's my humble opinion that Mr. Lavey is 'just another schmuck' (possibly a green-skinned Nazi) and Secular Satanism doesn't seem to be much more than a refuge for lonely, pale, angry teenagers.
We would all be much better off spending $30 for a Subgenius membership than the $200 for LaVeyan Satanism. The Subgenius guarantee salvation or triple your money back! Plus unlimited SLACK! And you can use the extra $170 you save to get yourself a damnfine Brazilian ladyboy prostitute. 
Edited by MushmanTheManic (02/28/06 09:59 PM)
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Re: The Dogmatic Tendencies of LaVeyan Satanism [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5351680 - 02/28/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Don't forget the saucers staffed with sex godesses! PRABOB!
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Re: The Dogmatic Tendencies of LaVeyan Satanism [Re: it stars saddam]
#5351899 - 03/01/06 12:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"3. When in another?s lair, show him respect or else do not go there."
Oh, kinda like "love thy neighbor"?
" 6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved."
Yeah, I think "thou shall not steal" in another book as well.
" 9. Do not harm little children."
What about old grannies? Can we put everyone over 70 on a spaceship and send em off to the sun?
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Satanists are essentially failed Christians.
Hahaha. Satanists are fucking deluded and confused. Being a follower of those rules is like being that kid who buys an anarchy patch at Hot Topic. Buying that thing to begin with contradicts everything it stands for.
edit: This coming from someone who just got back from a Kreator show, the epitome of Satanism as much into it as Slayer. What can I say - I like the sharp feeling of chaos as one could only get in the pits! Southpawed some guy by accident ... coming home with blood on my hands.
Edited by Fospher (03/01/06 12:43 AM)
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Re: The Dogmatic Tendencies of LaVeyan Satanism [Re: Fospher]
#5361499 - 03/03/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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call me crazy, but those rules do not necessarily sound evil, or unjust. if anything they sound just as reasonable as the current commandments prescribed by christians.
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Re: The Dogmatic Tendencies of LaVeyan Satanism [Re: kotik]
#5361946 - 03/03/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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kotik said: call me crazy, but those rules do not necessarily sound evil, or unjust. if anything they sound just as reasonable as the current commandments prescribed by christians.
I agree, but aside from them being not-evil, they are dogmatic and contradictory. Secular Satanism isn't secular at all. It still employs the same logic (dogma, absolutes, musterbations) used by the religious extremists which it claims to despise and oppose.
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