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rDr4g0n
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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: coda]
#5349847 - 02/28/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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since trip reports are subjective, the best way to gather the data would be to:
1) evaluate and select competant people as test subjects. they need to be relativly intelligent and most importantly be able to write and communicate well!
2) multiple tests with each strain! standardize the settings, music etc. make each test subjects experience as similar as possible! (there are a billion variables, but if we standardize 10 of them, then were gonna be heading the right direction)
3)initially, it would be necessary to compare a subjects trips to themselves. in other words, if subject a has tried 4 substrains, compare his 4 trips and record the data. since the descriptions will be from the same subject, there will be a certain amount of consistancy and accuracy.
4) compare trips from multiple subjects once data has been collected from individual subjects. the final compiled data could be measured in percentages of subjects tested (ie 14% had strong aural hallucinations)
of course this method will still retain the subjectiveness of indivudual descriptions, and individual experience based on personal problesm etc, but would probably be a step closer to the kinda info were looking for.
its a huge task no matter what.
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gourmetgrower
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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: rDr4g0n]
#5349874 - 02/28/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree with the above post from rd4g0n. To REALLY standardize everything, it would be best to, say, have 10 different casings/cakes from the same batch of substrate, sterilized in the same manner, cased in the same manner, in the same environment, etc. Then inoculate with, say, 5 different strains, 2 casings per strain. This would weed out any potency variations due to nutritive content. Then you would have as objective a consideration as possible.
Also, what do the other people here in the forum think of potency variation between strains due to strains' absorption/digestion of nutrients varying? As in... if I think that Golden Teachers are way more potent than Koh Samui, maybe it's because GTs are more effectively absorbing available nutrients, and if the substrate were to be tweaked for KS, we'd have equal alkaloid content (but varying alkaloid balance, between psilocybin, baeocystin, etc)?
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Roadkill
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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: coda]
#5349893 - 02/28/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm sorry bro... I should have been more specific.
I was talking about Psilocybe cyanescens... not Copelandia cyanescens or Pan Cyans.
I gathered over 3 oz's of dried Psilocybe cyanescens that year. So after I had my bad trips on Keepers Creeper...I just tripped on the Cyans that I had gathered that season. So for about a year I only consumed Psilocybe cyanescens. Psilocybe cyanescens are much cleaner than Cubes...trip wise. It took me awhile to try Cubes again...after doing the KC's!~
I've done Copes and they are weaker than Psilocybe Cyans.
I've talked to Blue Helix about the different strains that you are talking about...Vietnamese, Goliath and Ausi.
I'm not sure what strain that I tried at the time...I think it was Hawaiian. That was several years ago...so don't quote me.
I'm not big into the Cope or Pan growing...mj(John Allen) is always offering me prints of them. and I'm like...don't you have any new Cubes for me to work with John!~ lolzz
I did get some Psilocybe caerulipes spawn for an outdoor grow in my yard...from mj. So I'm looking forward to trying those out.
I mostly grow Cubes indoor. Then Psilocybe cyanescens and azures outdoor.
Then go hunting for other species that grow in my area.
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Edited by Roadkill (02/28/06 03:13 PM)
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coda
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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: Roadkill]
#5349955 - 02/28/06 03:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yah, once i move into a house again ill be starting a P. Cyan bed, it must be nice to live in the PNW and be able to go and find them. Id love to go mushroom hunting, ive been around my area but i couldnt find anything active (lots of other cool species tho).
I agree with you about the pan cultivation, its such a pain in the ass for such a small reward. I managed to get three flushes off of a casing before the green became too bad to deal with. I think i ended up with 5.3 grams dried. If the trip is as good as i hope it is the 5 grams will defintely last me a while, its going to have to as ive no interest in starting another pan grow anytime soon. I will say for as small as my yield was those suckers laid some dark ass prints
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HippieChick
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Re: regarding a previous thread *DELETED* [Re: coda]
#5350056 - 02/28/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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coda
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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: HippieChick]
#5350140 - 02/28/06 04:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Im a bit ashamed to say this, but, while i absolutely love and admire the various looks of different mushrooms i just cant stand the taste of them. Actually its more like the texture. I find it amusing how i can be some amazed and in love with something that i cant stand the taste of, hell even the "mushroomy" smell colonized jars put off turns my stomach. I try to get through my spawn runs as quick as possible because i cant stand the smell.
However i could spend hours looking at the different types of mushrooms
-------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
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tiny_rabid_birds
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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: coda]
#5350235 - 02/28/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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lmao, that's hilarious coda. Even after playing with them for as many years as you have, you still haven't grown accustomed to the smell or taste? That's so weird. I actually find comfort in the mushroomy smell, it generally lets me know I haven't fucked up and gotten contaminated yet.
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coda
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When i ate dried mushrooms i always ate them with something else (mostly potato chips) to get past the taste. I actually cant eat dried mushrooms straight anymore, even with chips the taste makes me too sick to enjoy the trip, so i just make choco's.
-------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
 Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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HippieChick
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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: coda]
#5350440 - 02/28/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think they taste best fresh . Already diluted with 90% water . Makes dosing a lot of fun also , lol .
Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony Hippie Chick
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LochRaven
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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: HippieChick]
#5350493 - 02/28/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
HippieChick said: I think they taste best fresh . Already diluted with 90% water . Makes dosing a lot of fun also , lol .
Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony Hippie Chick
me two!
i also think that the the trip you get doesnt vary from different kinds of mushrooms(maybe slightly form nutritional content) but of your current state of mind... i would never think any other way... maybe the keepers creepers sprouted weird ideas in your head Roadkill but i really dont think it truly makes a difference. I dont believe in bad trips... i just take it for what it is and learn from every trip, i have had trips where i have been uncomfortable at moments but never have i said "that was a "bad" trip" bad trips are created by the person who thinks they can have one... i have never had a bad trip and i have tripped many times. i have never seen how i could possibly have a bad trip because i simply dont think anything mushrooms have to offer are bad. i also must say that i never tripped in uncomfortable situations, never with people i dont love and never in weird places... i have tripped in woods, in many houses and other situations though.... just trust the mushroom and connect with it and it will guide you to the most fantastic of places and will never hurt you.
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Wronguy
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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: LochRaven]
#5350537 - 02/28/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Having a bad trip is entirely a mental aspect. Of course, this does not include those few who had to go to the hospital because of toxicity.
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hyphae
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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: Wronguy]
#5350748 - 02/28/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Since the thread is not closed I'd just like to say I've also experienced this same negative with the Creeper strain as well as the PFC's the only difference was I had a hard time breathing on PFC's it wasn't subconscience like it should be but I had to keep breathing consciencely or I'd just stop, and really trip hard to the point of not knowing if I was breathing or not and totally lose reality all together. Creepers just got the neative vibes going But thats just been my experience. I'd also like to say substrains vary in potency also.
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tiny_rabid_birds
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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: hyphae]
#5350756 - 02/28/06 07:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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A friend of mine had that same difficulty breathing on multiple B+ trips, but not cambos. I thought that fact was rather interesting.
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Gliders
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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: hyphae]
#5350993 - 02/28/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow, this is funny to hear about everyone's bad experiences with Creeper. I've only tried 3 strains so far, but Creeper may be my fave. For me it was energizing with little body load, quirky, and a little sassy.
EQ hit me hard with a heavy body load and a lot of anxiety. More potent, but not very much fun.
Z strain has been the most visual, and seems to have little anxiety, high body load in the beginning. Strongest so far, and like I said, the most amazing visuals ever.
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