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Offlinegourmetgrower
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regarding a previous thread
    #5349114 - 02/28/06 12:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I apologize for a knee-jerk reaction throughout this thread. My bad... really!

I wasn't trying to say one strain is better than another. That would be ill-informed. I was just saying that there must be reasons for particularly "shitty" strains that one runs into, especially when grown under the SAME conditions as "good" strains.

Perhaps the reason IS genetic, but due to differences in how strains metabolize available nutrients, and ANY strain could theoretically, be just as potent as any other. I don't disagree with this. But there ARE differences in potency from time to time. So in my opinion, a cube is NOT a cube, whether it's due to genetic limitations in regards to a "ceiling" of potency, or due to genetic differences in regard to how different strains absorb available nutrients.

Nutritive content IS the major contributing factor to mushroom potency!

There is no best strain, and I never said there was.

My apologies to the shroomery community for any misunderstandings. My foot is in my mouth.


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: gourmetgrower]
    #5349134 - 02/28/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

most of us have all come to the conclusion that potency is determined by nutrients not strain. feed the mushrooms better and the potency will increase. feed them like shit and you get what you put into it..."shit"


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: gourmetgrower]
    #5349138 - 02/28/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The thread is closed because this topic has been covered way too many times. There is no "potent" strain among cubensis. Potency will be determined by the substrate or species grown. If you had done a search, you'd find that there is quite a bit of information out there for you to read. Any experienced cultivator will tell you that potency is not determined by the strain.

This is also not the appropriate venue to discuss any problems you have with a moderator closing a thread. If you have a concern with an action a moderator has taken, you should discuss it via PM.


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5349161 - 02/28/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: gourmetgrower]
    #5349162 - 02/28/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

a cube isn't a cube...IMHO



they vary slightly from strain to strain...

mostly in color and shape...than anything else.



potency is usually due to the type of substrate being used and the growing conditions of the grower...IMHO


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: Roadkill]
    #5349176 - 02/28/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Roadkill said:
a cube isn't a cube...IMHO

they vary slightly from strain to strain...

mostly in color and shape...than anything else.



Don't forget the "trip" you take after you've seen them grow. some are more body than visual, some are more visual than body.


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: Roadkill]
    #5349211 - 02/28/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5349212 - 02/28/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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thenewguy05 said:

Don't forget the "trip" you take after you've seen them grow. some are more body than visual, some are more visual than body.




right my brother!~

there is differences in the "trip" from strain to strain.

some are the same...but some are different.


example:

Try 3 dry grams of the Cambodians...

then wait 2 weeks and try 3 dry grams of the Gulf Coast.


the Cambodian are very visual.

and the Gulf Coast tend to be the body type.




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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: Roadkill]
    #5349319 - 02/28/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

if there is a difference, we need to record experiences relating to specific strains and make a database of them so people who want a more visual trip know which strain to choose.

since ive come here ive been told that cubes are cubes and i havent questioned it, but crap man, i want a visual and mental trip. im not in it for body high or fuzzy feelings. i wish i knew which strain was the best for this when i bought my first syringe.


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: rDr4g0n]
    #5349346 - 02/28/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

there is something similar in the wiki up top. it is slightly outdated with all the new strains being developed and found.oh yeah... doesn't log "trip" type either.oh yeah the other thing i forgot to mention is the colonization speed... other than that they are the same.


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: thenewguy05]
    #5349436 - 02/28/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

rDr4, I've actually thought about that a lot lately myself. Like attempting to make a strain-trip guide and getting people to explain their experiences and/or thoughts on the effects of each strain, and then compiling it into one comprehensive guide. But I'm really not sure how well it'd work. I mean even though strains may tend to display certain trip characteristics, it's still all very subjective. It also seems like it'd be a pretty work intensive undertaking considering there are what, like 80 obtainable cube strains now and whoever was the head of the strain-trip guide project would have to read through numerous trip reports to discern what the most common effects are with each strain.


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
    #5349529 - 02/28/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The thing about this is that two people can have two completely different trips with the same dose of the same strain. This can be due to the substrate, genetics and your chemical makeup, so it will still cause debate. If you find a strain that provides the type of trip you enjoy, try to clone it and keep it going.


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: FooMan]
    #5349620 - 02/28/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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The thing about this is that two people can have two completely different trips with the same dose of the same strain. This can be due to the substrate, genetics and your chemical makeup, so it will still cause debate. If you find a strain that provides the type of trip you enjoy, try to clone it and keep it going.




I've also experienced this.

Example: The Keepers Creeper strain.

Most of the KC that is running around the Shroomery originated from my spores.

So if everyone was to have the same type of trip that I had from the KC's I'd be praying for you.

I had terrible trips on the KC.  :crazy:
Dark and gloomy trips...every time that I took them.
Same thing happened to me each time I took them...5 different times.
Everything would look dirty...and it looked like I had cob webs all over my house...I have a very clean house by the way...FYI
and it was a very depressing type of trip for me!~

I talked this over with Blue Helix and he said...

Maybe the name Keepers Creeper had something to do with my bad trips.
It's a dark name and maybe it locked into my brain to associate that name while I was tripping.
Maybe I should start calling it Sunny Delight.  :grin:


I really don't know the reason that this one strain causes me to bug out...
but it does.

My friends that tripped with me never experienced any of these type of sensations that I went through.
They all had a great time.

just thought I'd share that little tid bit.


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: Roadkill]
    #5349647 - 02/28/06 02:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

LOL RK, you may have planted that same seed in other peoples minds now and they too will will feel Creepy on the Keepers.:lol:

Was this a strain you discovered, or one that you got from Shane?


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: Roadkill]
    #5349652 - 02/28/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

maybe its all the bad karma shane has generated creeping into the "strains" he sells. I know i wouldnt want to ingest a mushroom that somebody tainted with karma like his.

I think someone else reported the same thing on creepers. The first few trips were fun but then all subsequent trips turned dark and scary.


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: coda]
    #5349727 - 02/28/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That's so weird. I wonder what it is that causes such negative trips on that strain for you.

And yeah, I realized that trips vary from person to person, but I figured there must be some correlation in effects, which is why I said it's all still very subjective and that someone would have to spend a lot of time reading through reports to determine the common symptoms.

But yeah, it is an unrealistic task with far too many variables, it'd just be nice to have something to refer to when you're looking to have a trip full of deep thoughts, or one full of energetic vibes, or visual stimulation, etc. Oh well, it'll be just as fun experimenting on them for myself.


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: FooMan]
    #5349748 - 02/28/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Was this a strain you discovered, or one that you got from Shane?




no it was a strain from Shane(the Keeper).

I got it from a friend...it wasn't around the OMC much at the time...and I spread it around the Shroomery...

then gave boxtop at TLG about 80 prints to try and put some pressure on Shanes selling tactics.
I was trying to mess with Shane...and it worked.
He threatened to sue boxtop!~
lolzz
So he dropped the name from KC to the Cheaper Creeper!~
lolzz

Then the Hawkeye started selling the rest of Shanes made up named strains...
to mess with him more.



Quote:

LOL RK, you may have planted that same seed in other peoples minds now and they too will will feel Creepy on the Keepers.




Yeah this could be true.

Sowwy people!~

lolzzz

like Coda said...the shit scared the living crap out of me!~

dirty fricken trip!~

I only tripped on Cyans for a whole year after doing those KC's...
much cleaner trip.

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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: Roadkill]
    #5349777 - 02/28/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ah, now THERE's a subject id love to get into. Trip variation between the cyan species. Blue helix is seeming to like the viets more then then the aussi's, what are you experiences with the cyans RK?

Right now i have about 4-5 gm's dried of an "unknown" cyan strain. Sporesource didnt define what strain it is so i have no clue.


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: Roadkill]
    #5349790 - 02/28/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That is so true RK. I have nothing but terrible trips on Cambodians. I had two very scary experiences on this strain but both were at high doses. I tried a low dose of these and bad feelings came back to haunt me periodically throughout the trip.

I have had awesome trips on EQ and PR and really think these strains will bring me back to the fun. I actually laid off tripping for awhile because of that damn strain. There is no question that strains will differ from person to person.


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Re: regarding a previous thread [Re: Wronguy]
    #5349843 - 02/28/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hmm, thats funny, one of my roughest rides in 14 years of tripping was off of some EQ's.  I had one of the best visuals ive ever had that night, but not to long after that i was curled up in a ball in my tent waiting for the trip to end.  At one point i thought i had died, actually FELT peoples arms underneath my shoulders lifting me up, and heard people speaking excitedly about "get an iv in him, open the doors..." etc.  I snapped out of that delusion and then 5 min later fell into another one where i thought i heard people literally ransacking my car for drugs and money (i was at a festival).  I can clearly remember myself just thinking the whole time "i dont feel safe", it just killed the trip for me, so bad to the point where i had to miss out on all the music that night because i was so spun. 

Once the peak subsided i had a great time, my buddy and i ended up taking care of some festival newbies who were so utterly unprepared for the festival it wasnt funny.  Two great kids who i was more then happy to take under my wing and make sure they were ok.  Sitting outside in 20 degree weather with no warm clothes, no tent (just their car), and a tiny ass fire that my buddy and i tried to start while peaking on an 1.8.  Ever since then i got myself to thinking that the rough trip was meant to be so i could help those guys out.  I felt so bad for them, mid peak i just flung the tent door down (when i thought people were stealing shit fro my car) and looked out (probably all bug eyed lol) and was like "IS EVERYTHING OK OUT HERE!?!?!".  I wonder what went through their mind when 15 min later (what felt like 2hrs) i opened the door again and asked them if they wanted to come get warm and smoke a bowl :smile:


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